And yet the BBC held the Yes campaign to account with extreme and disgusting bias, but did not do thay with Leave.

 

Also Mad May has (I think?) been found in contempt in the latest vote?

RUMOURS ARE SWIRLING THAT THE 48 LETTERS ARE IN AND THE LAB/GREEN/ SNP (that would be the best government EVER) NO CONFIDENCE VOTE IS IN COMIN!!! Granted, they said that before... Hold onto your hats!

I never claimed to endorse any of those things - I simply voted out, and left it to the politicians to sort out the details.

 

When we vote for MP's we're not expected to lay out what they should do in advance, yet for some bizarre reason, that *is* what we were supposed to do in voting to Leave? :wacko:

 

You are claiming that everybody who voted leave, whose minds you have read by some God-like gift we aren't privy to, didn't expect any of the claims made by politicians on the Leave campaigns (subsidised by Russian money and Russian supporters). If that were the impossible case then there would have been no need for campaigning using the lies I gave examples of, or fraudulently spending money on them, because 17.4m people had made their minds years before, there were no waverers, all the polls were just bad reflections of people liying to them as the exact same numbers of people had made up their minds, never changed them, and all for exactly the same reasons.

 

Or you are wrong and that is what was promised and people believed those promises, and you continually quoted Project fear (please go back and read your posts it's great fun to do) for everything that has subsequently come to pass when I expressed my views:

 

Here's me March 29th 2017:

 

"Brexiters still remain utterly convinced that the EU will roll over and do what we want, and that even if we leave without a deal it wont really affect anything much.

 

Oops. If they are right I will humbly admit that I, all credible experts, most politicians, and the bulk of most countries are wrong, and experts really don't know jack shit.

 

If it all goes pear shaped I am never going to stop reminding anyone who voted for it what they have done to the country.

 

Because you can be 100% certain if it goes right they will be bullying everyone to never offer up a democratic alternative opinion and will crow and crow and crow, just as they constantly harp on already about remoaners after a mere 9 months of alternative viewpoints (we've had 2 decades plus to endure of them). So what goes around comes around..."

 

Consider yourself reminded.

 

 

 

Why not - apparently 50 Remain voters can come up with 63 reasons people voted Leave... :rolleyes:

 

err no, Brexiteers keep insisting everyone voted Leave with one Hive Mind regardless of annoying things like facts and evidence that they didn't and still don't. They can't even agree with each other on what to do, what they want, and how to achieve it.

 

BTW it's very easy to find out 63 reasons for voting Brexit - you just ask someone why they voted Brexit. Try it, you'll be stunned and amazed at the half-arsed reasons people give (I include my dearest loved ones in this, over half my very extended family voted Leave). We're talking "I believed the bus, I want the NHS getting the extra money we give to the EU" "Boris seems to know what he's doing" "I want higher wages" "I'm fed up with immigrants" "fed up with Eu telling us what shape our bananas have to be" "Muslims are taking over the world" (a secondary school teacher said that one!) and so on...

 

Of course if you never actually TALK to other people from a wide range in society I can see why you might tend towards simplistic viewpoints.....?

Corbyn can't organise a piss-up in the middle of the biggest piss-up-of-all-time. He has no scruples or interest in the welfare of the nations of the UK. The EU have NOT assured him they will give him a better deal. The Irish Border is not going away. A Norway deal will not please Brexiters who vote Labour because it will still have Freedom Of Movement. He is utterly utterly pissing about because he wants to be PM whatever the cost to us, the voters, and he wants to blame it on the Tories by doing nothing to help the situation.

 

two thirds of :Labour voters are Remainers, one third Leavers. He can either piss off one-third or two-thirds, or by doing nothing and let economic disaster happen he can piss-off three-thirds. How is he going to avoid pissing off at the minimum one-third of his core voting base? I see Labour politicians on TV all the time but all they spout is platitudes and drivel. Sooner or Later they have to decide which option is going to cause the least amount of damage to Labour voters, Labour supporters, and the poor generally, and that option is a referendum with Remain on the ballot.

 

At least if the result is to accept the deal, everyone can just get on with it and stop arguing about non-existing alternative options.

 

I guess Corbyn would probably be more relaxed on some issues that May would never agree to, e.g. give Gibraltar back to Spain.

 

Just hope Parliment does the one good thing and makes sure that all cost we have some sort of Trade deal with the EU. Otherwise we are all going to be significantly poorer.

Apparently Mad May has snuck into No.10 by the back door. The chief whip entered by the front after summoning her. Will there be a leadership challenge announced tomorrow?!

 

Grab the popcorn! So strong. So stable. Thank you foe the stability, Porcine Cameron and Mad May x

So you think every Leave voter had only one reason for voting Leave? Besides, that is a completely different issue. If there were so many reasons for voting Leave, that makes a vote on the deal even more important.

 

But the problem is, Remainers are reluctant to admit there's even one valid reason for Leaving...

Because from the start, discarding the hearsay and misinformation, so best-case ‘1 in a 100 Leave voters’ assuming you were informed and making perfect decisions, it was an incredibly high-risk proposition with at absolute best a result that was similar to what we already had. We accept valid reasons when there are realistic desirable outcomes that come from following those reasons. I’m not going to give credence to a reasoning that is inherently self-destructive.

Because from the start, discarding the hearsay and misinformation, so best-case ‘1 in a 100 Leave voters’ assuming you were informed and making perfect decisions, it was an incredibly high-risk proposition with at absolute best a result that was similar to what we already had. We accept valid reasons when there are realistic desirable outcomes that come from following those reasons. I’m not going to give credence to a reasoning that is inherently self-destructive.

 

So, that would be a 'no' then?

But the problem is, Remainers are reluctant to admit there's even one valid reason for Leaving...

I have yet to hear a single reason for leaving that stands up to any scrutiny. "Sovvrintee innit" is just a platitude.

Apparently May told EU leaders that she was going to delay the vote on the deal on Sunday, 24 hours before making the decision public. In other words, she allowed ministers to do interviews on Monday morning insisting that the vote was going ahead. She allowed (even encouraged) ministers to lie to the country.

I have yet to hear a single reason for leaving that stands up to any scrutiny. "Sovvrintee innit" is just a platitude.

I completely agree. I would love to have a reasoned argument with a leave voter but I’ve yet to come across one that has anything of substance to say

I think rules are only for us not for them

They're for Labour too, just not for the landed gentry Tories who have ruled us for centuries. They see us, and Labour, as their serfs.

I completely agree. I would love to have a reasoned argument with a leave voter but I’ve yet to come across one that has anything of substance to say

 

Then perhaps you should look harder - there *are* 17.4 million of us, you know...

They're for Labour too, just not for the landed gentry Tories who have ruled us for centuries. They see us, and Labour, as their serfs.

 

I wish I had a penny for every time you mentioned 'serfs' or 'landed gentry'... :D

Then perhaps you should look harder - there *are* 17.4 million of us, you know...

 

Wrong. A lot of your voters were really old 2 years ago and a lot havr changed their minds.

 

Then perhaps you should look harder - there *are* 17.4 million of us, you know...

Yet not one of those 17.4m (or however many of them are still alive) has managed to answer basic questions such as "What laws have been forced on us by the EU against the wishes of the government of the day?" or "What laws have UK governments been forbidden to enact by the EU?". As one of their principle arguments is about us being told what to do by Brussels, you'd have thought they might have managed to come up with a few examples by now.

Yet not one of those 17.4m (or however many of them are still alive) has managed to answer basic questions such as "What laws have been forced on us by the EU against the wishes of the government of the day?" or "What laws have UK governments been forbidden to enact by the EU?". As one of their principle arguments is about us being told what to do by Brussels, you'd have thought they might have managed to come up with a few examples by now.

 

OK then - how about the European Supreme Court being allowed to supercede our highest court?

The European courts only have jurisdiction over the application of EU Law.

 

In addition it rules strictly on the application of EU Law and often defers judgement back to the national court after giving an opinion.

 

All of which you could easily discover by paying even the slightest attention to how the EU actually works :magic: