Hey look! Here's thicky Liam Fox making the case that being in the EU doesn't in any way stop the UK trading with the rest of the world and making very good deals indeed - so much in fact, that it outstrips trade with the EU - I assume in much the same way that every other EU member gets fabulous trade deals with the rest of the world as a result of being in the EU.

 

"Dr Liam Fox MP

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UK exports to the rest of the world have outstripped UK exports to EU for the 9th year running.

👉 In 2017: £342bn to non-EU, £274bn to EU, @ONS figures confirm"

 

What a twat! Doesn't even realise he just undermined the whole argument for leaving....

Hey look! Here's thicky Liam Fox making the case that being in the EU doesn't in any way stop the UK trading with the rest of the world and making very good deals indeed - so much in fact, that it outstrips trade with the EU - I assume in much the same way that every other EU member gets fabulous trade deals with the rest of the world as a result of being in the EU.

 

"Dr Liam Fox MP

‏

UK exports to the rest of the world have outstripped UK exports to EU for the 9th year running.

👉 In 2017: £342bn to non-EU, £274bn to EU, @ONS figures confirm"

 

What a twat! Doesn't even realise he just undermined the whole argument for leaving....

 

But surely the proportion to non-EU would be higher if we weren't subject to the EU's restrictions on external trade...

I agree that the proportion of non-EU trade would be higher if we were not and never had been an EU member, however it’s universally acknowledged that EU membership is the reason that both numbers are as high as they currently are. Whenever the EU strikes a trade deal with an external third country, our trade with that country increases. It would be false to believe that we would be trading more with a country like South Korea without the EU.

 

The proportion of our trade done with Australia and New Zealand has fallen off a cliff since EU membership but in that same period of time both countries pivoted towards America and AsiaPac to grow their own exports and economy. Given that Australia primarily exports minerals to China these days, you could make an argument, probably very successfully, that our trade with these territories would have naturally fallen over time without us being an EU member.

 

I’m yet to see any realistic and reasoned detail from a brexiteer on world trade. No examples of industries that would benefit and certainly nothing to suggest that we could replace the loss of trade and industry that would result from a hard Brexit in pharmaceuticals, Automotive production and Aerospace

I’m yet to see any realistic and reasoned detail from a brexiteer on world trade. No examples of industries that would benefit and certainly nothing to suggest that we could replace the loss of trade and industry that would result from a hard Brexit in pharmaceuticals, Automotive production and Aerospace

 

But how carefully have you been looking? :teresa:

But how carefully have you been looking? :teresa:

 

Very.

 

The only answer given was, we'll trade tea and jams.

But how carefully have you been looking? :teresa:

I’ve been looking into this with more due care and attention than you give to a Daily Hitler article on immigrants x

I’ve been looking into this with more due care and attention than you give to a Daily Hitler article on immigrants x

 

Given I skip all such articles, 'not very much' then. :mellow:

Ok, sure jan.

 

The point still remains. I studied accounting, I have done a lot of work in the customs/trade space since brexit for the Big 4 firm I work for so I am well versed in the unspoken factual reality and the fiction that leavers are coming out with on a daily basis. Given their story has shifted from “what do you mean we’d leave the single market and customs union?!? That would be suicide!! Of course we wouldn’t do that. That’s project fear” to “we never said we would do that, brexit means throwing us off the cliff in a big red bus so we can go back to Victorian times Life on Mars style” they aren’t really trustworthy to begin with and that’s before you add in that like you they never back up anything they say with anything approaching a logical and reasoned set of points or any facts to support their wild theory, preferring instead to ignore everythingwhen people approach them with a reasonable counter point and either stick their head in the sand or run in the opposite direction faster than the speed of light

But surely the proportion to non-EU would be higher if we weren't subject to the EU's restrictions on external trade...

 

No. Phil gives a good summary why. Assuming having no back-up will mean more trade is dumb. We lose the EU benefits for all trade with the EU, we lose the power to get big deals with the rest of the world and end up begging for scraps because we have no pulling power. This is not being argued against by business, people in the know and including the governor of the Bank Of England, it's only being promised (within 50 years) by the lying charlatans of Brexit.

 

Your rude and useless comeback, offering no alternative evidence, is typical of Brexiters. "I don't give a shit about facts and reality, and I don't give a shit if it ruins the economy as long as we leave the EU because they are the cause of all our ills. Because I said so. I don't have to show evidence for this view, I just have to demand it be treated as equivalent from everyone who does provide reason and evidence"

 

The End.

Your rude and useless comeback, offering no alternative evidence, is typical of Brexiters. "I don't give a shit about facts and reality, and I don't give a shit if it ruins the economy as long as we leave the EU because they are the cause of all our ills. Because I said so. I don't have to show evidence for this view, I just have to demand it be treated as equivalent from everyone who does provide reason and evidence"

 

The End.

 

And I said all that without touching a single key... :rolleyes:

The latest idiocy from the Leave campaign is that they are complaining about restrictions placed on doctors. Yes, they are outraged at the fact that there are laws in place to ensue that the doctor treating you has demonstrated a decent level of competence.

I have no qualms about them being treated by drs who aren’t licensed by the British Medical Council as long as I get to been seen exclusively by properly licensed doctors :lol:

I have no qualms about them being treated by drs who aren’t licensed by the British Medical Council as long as I get to been seen exclusively by properly licensed doctors :lol:

A Health minister has now suggested that the doctor's training should be shortened from five years to three. What could possibly go wrong? Indeed, why not make it even shorter? As long as they know the difference between an arm and a leg, isn't that enough?

Again, as long as supporters of this are the only ones who get treated by them I’m happy for this to happen.

 

It’ll only be a few years before enough of them die off from medical malpractice and then we can look forward to a future in the EU sans Tories and kippers.

 

As Elle Woods once said “It’s a completely brilliant plan”

Yes, because what we poor older people really need is doctors who havent wasted 2 years learning about stuff they can google for themselves and take a guess on. In fact, why dont we do away with doctors entirely and just hook the NHS up to Google directly, close the ambulances down, and sell off the hospitals for investment portfolios owned by Jeremy Hunt. he was quite fond of local property investments, when he remembered to declare them.

 

Anyone who can listen to Brexit twats like these ones....

 

 

"@andreajenkyns

Fantastic and great to see Pro-Brexit Health Minister @SteveBarclay defending the benefits of #Brexit.

 

Doctors could qualify more quickly after Brexit to solve staff shortages,…

 

Mark Elliott

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Every time I assume that the quality of post-Brexit political debate in the UK must have reached rock bottom, I find myself proved wrong.

 

To 'adequate food supplies', it seems that less well-qualified doctors can now be added in the 'Brexit dividend' column."

 

 

...without thinking what callous, useless pricks they are, is no different from them.

And I said all that without touching a single key... :rolleyes:

 

It's much easier if I say it for you, I'm very good at translating doubledutch... :teresa:

latest editions of May's Project Fear designed to put pressure on the EU and "get us ready for the worst":

 

pound drops following Carney's warnings of a more likely No Deal Brexit, as per his boss' instructions, warnings that police leave may be banned for the 2 months following Brexit to prevent "Social Unrest". Social Unrest from who? Remainers? That well-known bunch of hotheads rioting in the streets every day since the referendum? People that voted for it, not happy that a No Deal isn't as Hard as they may or may not have wanted?

 

May has lunch with Macron. Presuming she can also fit in lunches with the other 26 nations who can vote down any deal they don't like following the 2 months left to actually come up with a deal?

 

Shambles. Useless shower.

latest editions of May's Project Fear designed to put pressure on the EU and "get us ready for the worst":

 

pound drops following Carney's warnings of a more likely No Deal Brexit, as per his boss' instructions, warnings that police leave may be banned for the 2 months following Brexit to prevent "Social Unrest". Social Unrest from who? Remainers? That well-known bunch of hotheads rioting in the streets every day since the referendum? People that voted for it, not happy that a No Deal isn't as Hard as they may or may not have wanted?

 

You don't mention the rise in interest rates, which surely had some effect on the FX rates too...

 

Shambles. Useless shower.

 

You are Queef of Peace & AICMFP. :P

 

A rising interest rate would typically have been reacted to positively by the currency markets. GBP still took a bath. Traders know Brexit is a shit show, it’s why the pound hasn’t recovered at all against the Euro

You are Queef of Peace & AICMFP. :P

 

And you are deluded if you think they aren't useless....

 

But, hey glad to hear you think they are doing exactly what you voted for, at least someone is happy.....