I wish you'd have been one of my teachers at secondary school. :lol:

 

Seriously though, putting aside the fact that Remainers don't want to leave the EU at all - if you consider 2 years insufficient time, how long do you think *would* be?

 

It takes as long as it needs to be done right.

 

When you build a house you dont say I'm finishing it in 3 months and then start making plans, costing materials, working out if youve got the right money, get planning permissions, loans, inspections, land, and just stop suddenly having sold your last house and made yourself homeless, when you find you havent even managed to get the planning permission sorted. You do all of that stuff first, get everything in place, work out how long it will take to do the building and then give a completion date.

 

We are making ourselves homeless with nothing else sorted cos we've pissed about going to the pub for 2 years and squabbling with our own family over what sort of house we want.

It takes as long as it needs to be done right.

 

When you build a house you dont say I'm finishing it in 3 months and then start making plans, costing materials, working out if youve got the right money, get planning permissions, loans, inspections, land, and just stop suddenly having sold your last house and made yourself homeless, when you find you havent even managed to get the planning permission sorted. You do all of that stuff first, get everything in place, work out how long it will take to do the building and then give a completion date.

 

We are making ourselves homeless with nothing else sorted cos we've pissed about going to the pub for 2 years and squabbling with our own family over what sort of house we want.

 

Oh don't worry im sure we will all survive somehow!!!!!! Most importantly we will have Blue Passports!!!

 

Oh and don't forget there will be no more low skilled immigrants!

 

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

Please.

Edited February 4, 20196 yr by mald487

It takes as long as it needs to be done right.

 

When you build a house you dont say I'm finishing it in 3 months and then start making plans, costing materials, working out if youve got the right money, get planning permissions, loans, inspections, land, and just stop suddenly having sold your last house and made yourself homeless, when you find you havent even managed to get the planning permission sorted. You do all of that stuff first, get everything in place, work out how long it will take to do the building and then give a completion date.

 

We are making ourselves homeless with nothing else sorted cos we've pissed about going to the pub for 2 years and squabbling with our own family over what sort of house we want.

Exactly this. If we absolutely must leave, then we need to spend as long as it takes working out the how as is required.

 

I would far rather we extend article 50 to allow us to agree the future trading relationship and conclude those talks in such a way that means the backstop is not required. That way we can then leave, the DUP are happy and we’re not going to upend our country into complete chaos with a no deal scenario

 

Coz I may be angry about the whole leave thing (because it’s built on a house of lies by people having a protest vote that’s got real consequences but will make the things they were protesting over worse because they were protesting over government choices that were in no way connected to our EU membership) but my god I will set fire to brexiteers in the street in a no deal scenario.

Isn’t it great to see leading Quitters telling us that leaving without a deal is “survivable”. I must have missed the bus with “Vote Leave - It’s Survivable” plastered all over it. Ebola is survivable, but I’d rather not have it in the first place.

Isn’t it great to see leading Quitters telling us that leaving without a deal is “survivable”. I must have missed the bus with “Vote Leave - It’s Survivable” plastered all over it. Ebola is survivable, but I’d rather not have it in the first place.

 

Great quote, it should be plastered all over Tory conferences :lol:

 

It's still a lie though, the full factual quote is "Brexit is survivable - for most of us, but not those dying through cut support services, NHS shortages, depression, suicide, and those jumping into the nearest voclano cos we're so sick to death of hearing about Brexit for 3 years, and possibly for the next 10 years as we struggle to get things back together, or leave"

 

Not as catchy as yours, I admit, though, and not as funny :P

Great quote, it should be plastered all over Tory conferences :lol:

 

It's still a lie though, the full factual quote is "Brexit is survivable - for most of us, but not those dying through cut support services, NHS shortages, depression, suicide, and those jumping into the nearest voclano cos we're so sick to death of hearing about Brexit for 3 years, and possibly for the next 10 years as we struggle to get things back together, or leave"

 

Not as catchy as yours, I admit, though, and not as funny :P

We're going to need a bigger bus :lol:

Exactly this. If we absolutely must leave, then we need to spend as long as it takes working out the how as is required.

 

I would far rather we extend article 50 to allow us to agree the future trading relationship and conclude those talks in such a way that means the backstop is not required. That way we can then leave, the DUP are happy and we’re not going to upend our country into complete chaos with a no deal scenario

 

But the EU claim that the current deal is the best we can get - or do you thing they are bluffing? :unsure:

 

 

Great quote, it should be plastered all over Tory conferences :lol:

 

It's still a lie though, the full factual quote is "Brexit is survivable - for most of us, but not those dying through cut support services, NHS shortages, depression, suicide, and those jumping into the nearest voclano cos we're so sick to death of hearing about Brexit for 3 years,

 

What volcano - the nearest ones are in Italy or Iceland... :rolleyes:

Usual wild rumours... :rolleyes:

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-66...der-claims.html

 

Twenty Labour MPs and five Tories are poised to QUIT their parties to form a new centrist group, Liberal Democrat leader Sir Vince Cable claims

Sir Vince Cable said group of Labour MPs planned to resign the party whip

He said the MPs who are opposed to Jeremy Corbyn will then resign by spring

A number of anti-Brexit Tories are also ready to quit and form own group, he says

 

***************************************

 

If this goes ahead, will any of them be honorable enough to resign & fight a by-election under their new flag?

But the EU claim that the current deal is the best we can get - or do you thing they are bluffing? :unsure:

What volcano - the nearest ones are in Italy or Iceland... :rolleyes:

 

The best deal we can get given the red lines imposed by May. Not the best deal we can get if we opt for the very many options the Brexit campaigners insisted were open to us during the referendum. Such as the Norway option, which Farage pushed.

 

You really don't understand dramatic exaggerated comical imagery at all do you... :lol:

If this goes ahead, will any of them be honorable enough to resign & fight a by-election under their new flag?

 

It won't, but for the sake of argument, they should not do so. Our imperfect system assumes that when people are voting, they are voting for a person. Not a party. Which is something we should change, but that comes with voting reform. Therefore, no change in representation, just a change of grouping. Honour is a fiction that in this case helps perpetuate the 2-party duopoly. Fortunately, a by-election is not required in these circumstances.

 

Also, yay, yet more days closer to the deadline and yet more not done as our Right Honourable Prime Minister faffs about by trying to find alternatives to the parts of her deal which won't pass even though she knows there are no alternatives.

The best deal we can get is the one we have already as a member of the EU.

The best deal we can get is the one we have already as a member of the EU.

 

 

Except there's a slight problem with that. The people voted to leave the EU in a referendum.

Edited February 5, 20196 yr by Common Sense

I don't see how those two statements are mutually exclusive.

Chris Grayling says the EU will be to blame if we leave with no deal.

 

From The Telegraph

 

"We have taken to our parliament the deal reached in November and our parliament has said no.

 

We want to work with the EU to reach a deal but if they are not prepared to do that – they will have to take responsibility that we are heading towards a no-deal exit.

 

If they are not willing to compromise, if they’re not willing to work with us to find common ground – it will be down to them if there is no deal"

 

Chris Grayling says the EU will be to blame if we leave with no deal.

 

From The Telegraph

 

"We have taken to our parliament the deal reached in November and our parliament has said no.

 

We want to work with the EU to reach a deal but if they are not prepared to do that – they will have to take responsibility that we are heading towards a no-deal exit.

 

If they are not willing to compromise, if they’re not willing to work with us to find common ground – it will be down to them if there is no deal"

As Grayling is a strong contender to be the thickest member of an exceptionally dim Cabinet, he is probably best ignored. One side is trying to remove part of the deal that they insisted on including in the first place . That side isn’t the EU.

No. We will have to take responsibility for a no deal exit.

 

The UK chose to leave, the EU didn't force them. May drew her lines in the sand and is refusing to budge. Of course the EU aren't going to offer the UK the same rights as what they have as part of the group.

 

This whole passing of the buck and trying to blame the EU for something that we have created is not only ridiculous, its childish, embarrasing and needs stop.

Edited February 5, 20196 yr by mald487

You really don't understand dramatic exaggerated comical imagery at all do you... :lol:

 

And you really don't understand sarcasm... :P

 

It won't, but for the sake of argument, they should not do so. Our imperfect system assumes that when people are voting, they are voting for a person. Not a party. Which is something we should change, but that comes with voting reform. Therefore, no change in representation, just a change of grouping. Honour is a fiction that in this case helps perpetuate the 2-party duopoly. Fortunately, a by-election is not required in these circumstances.

 

And because of the above, swapping parties is virtual electoral suicide - virtually all of the Lab/Con MP's who defected to the SDP in the 80's, got wiped out at the next election, for example.

 

 

No. We will have to take responsibility for a no deal exit.

 

This whole passing of the buck and trying to blame the EU for something that we have created is not only ridiculous, its childish, embarrasing and needs stop.

 

I disagree, the responsibility should be shared, and only then because our MP's voted to scupper it.

And you really don't understand sarcasm... :P

 

I disagree, the responsibility should be shared, and only then because our MP's voted to scupper it.

 

One can't respond with sarcasm to a joke by treating it as if it were fact when it was plainly and resoundingly not based in reality (because there ARE NO VOLCANOES IN THE UK, as every sane person knows). Sarcasm would be something like "oh you do like to understate a case don't you?!" So you don't understand sarcasm either, plainly. :P

 

 

No, the EU is free to continue with it's own rules, 27 countries seem OK with it, and choosing to leave and self-harm is entirely a UK decision as much as every country in then world is free to leave any trade agreements and political agreements and then deal with the consequences when they aren't being forced to do anything.

 

"I want you to give me some of your pension and access to your property"

 

"No"

 

"I blame you for my problems for not giving me what I want!"

It's going to be very difficult to improve on this statement on the last 10 years, and right now, and the future.....

 

https://psmag.com/ideas/brexit-how-austerit...ht-down-england

It's going to be very difficult to improve on this statement on the last 10 years, and right now, and the future.....

 

https://psmag.com/ideas/brexit-how-austerit...ht-down-england

 

Written by Laurie Penny, a Guardian contributor and feminist - I would give no more credit to what she wrote, than you would something by a Mail writer. :rolleyes:

Edited February 6, 20196 yr by vidcapper