In fairness, that Tweet could have been sent at any point in the past 2 years and it would still be true.

 

Bloody EU looking after their own interests and not giving us all of the promises that Leave campaigners insisted they would give in to BECAUSE WE'RE BRITISH* and haven't.....!

 

(* © every Upper Class Toff Ever In The History Of England)

 

The EU are still refusing to compromise on the backstop, and the UK are still saying talks are just starting to get serious and down to the nitty gritty.

 

Or in other words, relying on panic-stricken MP's worried they wont get Brexit voting for the deal at the last possible moment, helped with bribes-for-votes for Leave-voting Labour areas, but f***-all for remain-voting Labour areas. Talk about getting punished for holding a democratic viewpoint. Assuming she sticks to her assurances for the first-time ever....

In fairness, that Tweet could have been sent at any point in the past 2 years and it would still be true.

 

Yes, but it comes with 23 and a bit days until we officially exit!

 

Usually you'd expect something like 'talks were constructive' or 'robust' but we're even beyond euphemisms to pretend the discussions were productive now.

It's pretty worrying how things are turning out. I expect a no-deal will be avoided though and an extension of Article 50 will be sought out by MPs. The only "issue" with that is the time of the extension will be determined by the EU and previous reports suggest it'll be ~2 years. We'll likely just be going round in circles for another couple years if we were to get an extension - although that's likely the EU's plan to try and get the UK to stay in the EU.

 

I don't think a referendum will solve much either given how divded people are and a lot of people I know are fed up with both the government and the EU and are in the mind set that a no-deal brexit is the only way forward...

 

I have no clue on what's going to happen or what can be done other than just revoking Article 50 and staying in the EU (my preferred option). If we were to stay in the EU, the government would need to seriously tackle many issues that a lot blame the EU for but have nothing to do with it. In particular austerity, which hasn't ended and won't end until another couple of years at least.

 

 

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Don't completely rule out Common Market 2.0 / EFTA being the solution here even though it will completely split the Tories - I think it still is the ONLY way forward that commands a majority (at the moment) without as a really last resort putting May's deal back to the people, which still has some way to go to get to 326 in Parliament even with Corbyn's support.

 

Of course a split in the Tories, what a shame that would be. NOT.!!

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Don't completely rule out Common Market 2.0 / EFTA being the solution here even though it will completely split the Tories - I think it still is the ONLY way forward that commands a majority (at the moment) without as a really last resort putting May's deal back to the people, which still has some way to go to get to 326 in Parliament even with Corbyn's support.

 

Of course a split in the Tories, what a shame that would be. NOT.!!

 

That's true I forgot about that. I suspect this is the option that MPs will fall back on if there is no revoking of Article 50 and negotiations continue going no where during a (possible) extension. The main issue with it though is that for people that want to remain part of the EU, it'll be a "downgrade" as we'll still have to abide by various laws and regulations of the EU but with no voice to help shape those laws like now. Whereas for Brexiters, it'll be like not leaving the EU at all.

 

Although the EFTA does have differences and not all EU law applies - such as the Common Fisheries Policy. So being a member of the EFTA will allow the UK to control its own waters and set out its own quotas/rules and regulations - which is a reason some had voted to leave the EU.

 

It's a potentially promising middle ground that I think people will begrudgingly accept.

 

But that's if the UK were to be accepted as a member. I know there's some worries the UK will shift the balance of the EFTA due to the UK being many times larger than all the current member states combined. Although at the same time, the UK joining could help increase its influence, particularly at a global level, as I believe the EFTA has multiple FTAs with countries outside of Europe and is able to negotiate its own trade deals.

Cabinet resigned to defeat on Meaningful Vote next week (Telegraph):

 

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Going well then.

 

Also this which I missed last night:

 

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"The Irish Border won't be a problem" - every Leave campaigner.

 

"Just Project Fear" - every Leave campaigner.

 

"we'll all be better off" - every Leave campaigner.

 

"The EU will roll over and give us what we want cos they want to sell us their cars" - every Leave campaigner.

 

"Brexit will control immigration" - every Leave campaigner and immigration-obsessed T. May, as numbers of immigrants from the Commonwealth & the rest of the world go UP as the numbers of nurses and doctors from the EU (and other jobs too numerous to mention) go down, as people move back to the EU).

 

So when, exactly, will all the liars admit they lied and stop trying to lie to cover their lying, deceitful self-interested bullshit which is all entirely on record? Cos they said it. Oh yes they did. The biggest liars all quitting bail-out morons when it became obvious they couldn't deliver on their lies and wanted someone else to take the blame.

 

Apart from that it's all going swimmingly well.

 

Oh, yes, forgot to mention that the EU directive for tax havens to declare where their cash comes from, and who is involved in tax haven cash storage, has a real chance of getting through Parliament anyway as UK legislation. I expect Rees-Mogg, Mr May, Mr Johnson & co are besides themselves with joy at the chance of transparency as one-third of billionaires reportedly move to tax havens - including the lying, treacherous Leave-supporting rich gits who say one thing and do another. They took us all for a ride and we fell for it.

"The Irish Border won't be a problem" - every Leave campaigner.

 

Not every Leave *supporter* though - even if i'd known it was an issue, I would have considered it unimportant.

Not every Leave *supporter* though - even if i'd known it was an issue, I would have considered it unimportant.

 

never said it was, because I don't have mind-reading powers, and neither do you or anyone else in the whole of human history would have the slightest idea why people voted for what and what influences the many lies had on them. We can commission a poll of course, but the only way to know for certain is to vote on the facts of what has been delivered.

 

So thanks for supporting the idea of making sure that everyone knows what they are voting for now that the lies are blatantly obvious.

 

350million pounds a week for the NHS, claimed a bus, the icon of the whole campaign. The NHS that has the lowest public opinion satisfaction rates in 11 years. It would be lower if we could resurrect the dead people who can't offer an opinion as they died waiting for f***ing ambulances to turn up, or waiting to be seen because there weren't enough staff due to A&E hospital closures or no follow-up support or mental illness suicides or homeless deaths on the street, and so on and so on...

never said it was, because I don't have mind-reading powers, and neither do you or anyone else in the whole of human history would have the slightest idea why people voted for what and what influences the many lies had on them. We can commission a poll of course, but the only way to know for certain is to vote on the facts of what has been delivered.

 

So thanks for supporting the idea of making sure that everyone knows what they are voting for now that the lies are blatantly obvious.

 

So what happens if they still choose Brexit anyway, even in that full knowledge - would you *then* accept their choice?

So what happens if they still choose Brexit anyway, even in that full knowledge - would you *then* accept their choice?

 

sigh. I have said many times that would be the end of the matter for a generation. I believe in democracy. I don't change my opinion just cos it suits me, or because other people think I should shut up pointing out what I firmly believe is inherently the right thing to do for the benefit of most people - including those that know it will hurt people or remove rights from people, including themselves, because they are so convinced they are right but can't actually convincingly explain why they are right and resort to violence or abuse.

sigh. I have said many times that would be the end of the matter for a generation. I believe in democracy. I don't change my opinion just cos it suits me, or because other people think I should shut up pointing out what I firmly believe is inherently the right thing to do for the benefit of most people - including those that know it will hurt people or remove rights from people, including themselves, because they are so convinced they are right but can't actually convincingly explain why they are right and resort to violence or abuse.

 

Good to hear it reiterated though.

 

Of course, in any close result, there will always be some people who question it, so even if you accept it, there will always be some who won't. :no:

 

Mind you, there is the cliche that 'A man with one watch knows the time, but a man with two watches is never sure'. :heehee:

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If a future vote is to be binding, it should be better regulated than the last one. Even if there is no threshold, a vote to leave should not take effect until any credible accusations of malpractice are investigated properly.

 

Because the 2016 vote was advisory, there wasn't even a provision for a recount. If Leave had won by a few hundred votes and the government insisted on going ahead anyway, we could have had the fun of a lengthy legal process in an attempt to force a recount.

Because the 2016 vote was advisory, there wasn't even a provision for a recount. If Leave had won by a few hundred votes and the government insisted on going ahead anyway, we could have had the fun of a lengthy legal process in an attempt to force a recount.

 

We've managed that, even without one. :P

 

Anyone watched the Secret Brexit Millionaires dispatched programme?

 

Makes me feel a bit sick - surely a major conflict of interest for Jacob Rees-Mogg no matter how much he might try and deny it.. makes sense why he's so hard for Brexit.

Liddington states in the Commons that legally binding changes to the backstop have been secured - will this be enough for the ERG and the DUP?

Liddington states in the Commons that legally binding changes to the backstop have been secured - will this be enough for the ERG and the DUP?

 

Anyone can say it's legally binding changes

 

Let's wait and see what the advice says first

Not surprising for changes to be secured at the last minute - this was always likely to be the case. They'll be published tomorrow before the vote. I assume they'll be significant enough for the deal to get passed through parliament. They also added a statement to the political declaration to strengthen that in regards to the backstop as well. If the deal doesn't get through parliament, then they're only a few options left. No deal (MPs won't let this happen), remain in the EU (a public vote likely involved) or join the EFTA. If the deal does get through, it'll help to eliminate a lot of uncertainty with the transition period coming into effect until December 2020, which would be a positive for both UK and EU businesses.

 

 

From reading these ‘changes’ seem to be superficial temporary solutions (well, not even that, just ‘agreements’) that don’t solve the issue and yet again start the can-kicking. I do hope there are not enough MPs who can be swayed by such desperate little measures when they rejected essentially the same thing overwhelmingly two months ago.