So the "Tel Aviv vs Jerusalem" of this summer looks set to be "Amsterdam vs Rotterdam". I imagine it'll either be in Amsterdam's 17,000 seater Ziggo Dome or the 14,000 seater Ahoy in Rotterdam. I imagine it'll be the former as it's bigger and newer but either are doable.

So the "Tel Aviv vs Jerusalem" of this summer looks set to be "Amsterdam vs Rotterdam". I imagine it'll either be in Amsterdam's 17,000 seater Ziggo Dome or the 14,000 seater Ahoy in Rotterdam. I imagine it'll be the former as it's bigger and newer but either are doable.

Den Haag and Maastricht are also in the running!

 

Maastricht has the seats and the spce around the venue but it lacks infrastructure to get there so that would be a problem

So, if the final had used the 2013-2015 Scoring method, the results would have looked like this:

 

01 316 Netherlands

02 293 Italy

03 208 Switzerland

04 190 Russia

05 179 Sweden

06 165 Australia

07 164 Azerbaijan

08 150 Norway

09 135 North Macedonia

10 100 Iceland

 

11 60 Denmark

12 58 France

13 51 Slovenia

14 48 Czech Republic

15 46 Albania

16 43 Serbia

17 36 Cyprus

18 33 Estonia

19 28 Malta

20 25 Greece

 

21 16 San Marino

22 14 Belarus

23 12 Israel

24 8 Germany

25 6 Spain

26 0 United Kingdom

 

*San Marino would have been all Jury because of their small population and Belarus would have been all televote since their jury was dismissed

The Belarus votes were the strangest of the night.

I enjoyed it.

 

However, I did think the presenting was poor throughout. A lot of talking over one another. Comments that didn't really make sense. Lots of correcting going on. "Moving on" said about a million times. It just wasn't as slick as it should be. Ad libbing has a really fine line between sounding good or just being naff. Also they kept miscounting how many countries were left during the televote reveal. Screen graphics were too slow on several occasions too. And that blonde presenter was incredibly wooden and uncharismatic.

 

Have a feeling the Netherlands will do a much better job.

 

Cannot believe San Marino polled 10th for the public vote :o I still like the new televote reveal, but as expected it did lose some of the excitement of knowing the ranking on the night.

 

And the UK what can we say? We all knew it would do poorly. We had really poor options to choose between on the cringeworthy selection show. It's just not good enough; I don't think the beeb wants to host it.

Edited May 19, 20196 yr by Jacky boy

UK 0 lmao

 

It was an odd Eurovision for sure. Agree with the above. The presenting was quite ESL and I wasn't even particularly drunk this year either :')

Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere and I just missed it but what exactly was Belarus' 'jury vote' if their jury was dismissed? Was it literally randomised? Surely can't have been based on other juries considering they conveniently gave Israel 12 points when they got (iirc) 0 points from all the other juries... :lol:

 

I thought the new reveal method for the public vote seemed like a potentially decent idea but it doesn't work in practice, like others have said it just means Norway didn't really get a proper moment to shine. And the suspense for Sweden's televote score was excruciating and ended up extremely underwhelming with him not even being close. I feel like it even took away from the moment for Duncan as well as being devastating for John.

 

http://i.redd.it/r6l8bpyko4z21.jpg

Not sure if these have been posted or which thread would be the right one to post them in but these are the Semi 1 and Semi 2 results for televote only:

 

SEMI FINAL 1 - TELEVOTES ONLY

1 ICELAND 151 Q

2 AUSTRALIA 140 Q

3 ESTONIA 133 Q

4 SAN MARINO 124 Q

5 SLOVENIA 93 Q

6 CZECH REPUBLIC 85 Q

7 SERBIA 65 Q

8 POLAND 60

9 CYPRUS 54 Q

10 GREECE 54 Q

11 BELARUS 44 Q

12 PORTUGAL 43

13 GEORGIA 33

14 HUNGARY 32

15 BELGIUM 30

16 MONTENEGRO 15

17 FINLAND 14

 

SEMI FINAL 2 - TELEVOTES ONLY

1 NORWAY 170 Q

2 NETHERLANDS 140 Q

3 SWITZERLAND 137 Q

4 RUSSIA 124 Q

5 AZERBAIJAN 121 Q

6 SWEDEN 88 Q

7 NORTH MACEDONIA 84 Q

8 LITHUANIA 77

9 ALBANIA 58 Q

10 MALTA 50 Q

11 DENMARK 41 Q

12 CROATIA 38

13 MOLDOVA 27

14 ROMANIA 24

15 ARMENIA 23

16 LATVIA 13

17 IRELAND 3

18 AUSTRIA 0

 

So literally the 10 qualifiers in each heat were in the televoting top 11, pretty consistent!

Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere and I just missed it but what exactly was Belarus' 'jury vote' if their jury was dismissed? Was it literally randomised? Surely can't have been based on other juries considering they conveniently gave Israel 12 points when they got (iirc) 0 points from all the other juries... :lol:

 

I thought the new reveal method for the public vote seemed like a potentially decent idea but it doesn't work in practice, like others have said it just means Norway didn't really get a proper moment to shine. And the suspense for Sweden's televote score was excruciating and ended up extremely underwhelming with him not even being close. I feel like it even took away from the moment for Duncan as well as being devastating for John.

I'm glad I'm not the only one not knowing where Belarus's jury votes came from :lol:

Weren't the jury votes disqualified?

Weren't the jury votes disqualified?

Yes but they've seemingly magic'd up some fake 'jury votes' from them, which oh so conveniently gave Israel 12 points that they probably wouldn't have got.

 

(would also like to know what the actual method was)

Re Belarus jury vote

 

It just says 'aggregate' - maybe something to do with Belarus' historical voting? Perhaps doesn't explain it as their result doesn't reflect historical voting, but just an idea.

 

How else might they have got to their result?

I think they just assigned the scores based on the final result from the other 40 juries that would've kept the result the same at the top but helped the lower performing countries - I mean 12 to Israel when they should've come last is a bit off but I suppose they didn't want to have to come out and say "Israel are currently in last place" when it came to the new televote reveal.

 

I know their jury broke the rules quite spectacularly but I am fundamentally against ANY "aggregated" results in Eurovision, it's the same with San Marino's televote scores every year, a damn mess.

That sounds really off the way Belarus votes were handled.

Apologies if this has been clarified elsewhere as I’m still catching up but I heard that the Belarus ‘jury vote’ took the other countries from their pot (the one that’s used for the semi-final allocation draw), and based the points on the BOTTOM 10 from those other countries? Presumably to affect the top of the scoreboard as little as possible though I have heard the made up votes helped Norway come 5th (which sounds fair enough since they won the televote)

 

I don’t get how they decided this was the most logical way to go about it though. If they didn’t have time to find five new jury members, I thought the best idea would be to double their televote. Or just not dismiss the jury - sure they revealed votes for the first semi, but we weren’t to know what they thought of the big 5 + Israel and the semi 2 qualifiers? It’s not like the Armenian and Azerbaijani juries have ever played fair yet they continue to get away with it...

Apologies if this has been clarified elsewhere as I’m still catching up but I heard that the Belarus ‘jury vote’ took the other countries from their pot (the one that’s used for the semi-final allocation draw), and based the points on the BOTTOM 10 from those other countries? Presumably to affect the top of the scoreboard as little as possible though I have heard the made up votes helped Norway come 5th (which sounds fair enough since they won the televote)

 

I don’t get how they decided this was the most logical way to go about it though. If they didn’t have time to find five new jury members, I thought the best idea would be to double their televote. Or just not dismiss the jury - sure they revealed votes for the first semi, but we weren’t to know what they thought of the big 5 + Israel and the semi 2 qualifiers? It’s not like the Armenian and Azerbaijani juries have ever played fair yet they continue to get away with it...

 

Article here (not that I read the Mail Online or anything :nono: ) https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-70...wer-points.html

 

Yeah it really makes no sense. Can someone please remind me how San Marino's televote is calculated? Isn't it something to do with averaging all juries? Surely this would've been better?

Are there even 5 people living in San Marino?

North Macedonia was a song of high quality with immense vocals and excellent staging. It's just not a song that's gonna get a lot of people to pick up the phone

don't forget a GODAWFUL dress

I really don't understand why the juries didn't latch onto Albania though. It's an interesting and beautiful song with stunning vocals. I definitely expected it to do better than that.

I got a feeling that this year's Eurovision will go down in history as the worst of all time.

 

In a few years when we talk about which year was the worst most people will say 2019 because of that Madonna desaster and the voting scandal.

 

Before the final hour and the aftermath I'd say it was an on average show, but then it went down: Voting time was too long and it felt it was all about making money instead of giving viewers more time to vote. Running time for the whole show was too long, for the West European countries it might be okay, but for the rest it's too late. If I'd live in East Europe I'd tape next year's final because I wouldn't spent the whole night just watching endless interval acts until the showdown starts.

 

Looking back Madonna was the best of the worst, because her performance was kind of funny, in a bad way, of course. The hype about her during the whole event was over the top.

 

To be honest I'm getting sick of Jon Ola Sand. He's been Eurovision's Executive Supervisor for the whole decade and it's time to bring in someone new with fresh ideas.