Why though? What reasoning is there to add pure sales to the entire ACR process? As I just said, songs don't linger on pure sales for as long as they do on streaming. That's the reason ACR was invented - to stop streaming completely slowing down the charts.

Go back to my reasoning and methodology that I did with ROCKSTAR and you'll know why the ACR rule should go back to the way it was in the beginning, because it's precisely the streaming that is preventing this song from entering ACR, when in reality its overall consumption (which is what matters to OCC) has fallen two weeks in a row and yet they put it on SCR. This proves that this current rule doesn't, in fact, represent the popularity of this song on the UK Charts and it only helps more and more this song (and most of the garbage that comes from Tiktok) to mold on the UK Charts.

Go back to my reasoning and methodology that I did with ROCKSTAR and you'll know why the ACR rule should go back to the way it was in the beginning, because it's precisely the streaming that is preventing this song from entering ACR, when in reality its overall consumption (which is what matters to OCC) has fallen two weeks in a row and yet they put it on SCR. This proves that this current rule doesn't, in fact, represent the popularity of this song on the UK Charts and it only helps more and more this song (and most of the garbage that comes from Tiktok) to mold on the UK Charts.

Yeah so this basically reads as "I'm pressed ROCKSTAR isn't going to ACR just yet lol"

If you're not saying pure sales have an effect on the charts then why do you so desperately want the rule to be changed to include them xx

 

As I said I already acknowledged the example of 'ROCKSTAR'. Do you want to acknowledge what I said about how changing the rule would create examples of the exact opposite scenario and therefore not actually make anything "fairer", it'd just arbitrarily change what the criteria are for avoiding ACR?

 

Scenario 1: a song increases in streams but the increase is offset by a decrease in pure sales (counts as an increase with the current rule, but a decrease with the old rule). That's what's happened with 'ROCKSTAR'.

 

Scenario 2: a song decreases in streams but the decrease is offset by an increase in pure sales (counts as a decrease with the current rule, but an increase with the old rule). This would most likely happen as a result of tactical price reductions which is presumably what led the OCC to change the rule in the first place, but there's no reason it couldn't just happen completely at random in a week where a song is essentially stable, just their numbers moving in the opposite directions to the 'ROCKSTAR' example.

 

Realistically, since pure sales are so low these days, the only time either of these things will ever happen is if a song's streams are pretty much stable (to within maybe a couple of thousand units either way at absolute most, more likely only a few hundred or so) in which case it's a pretty arbitrary outcome no matter which rule you go with. You're effectively saying you want that arbitrary power to lie in the hands of a few hundred extra people downloading a song, rather than a few thousand extra people streaming a song. Great. It would barely affect anything in the long run either way, there's absolutely no way you think this is an actual big problem and you're not just making this argument because you're annoyed at the specific example of 'ROCKSTAR'. You can claim I'm twisting your words all you want but the context of you ranting about this is extremely obvious from the fact that, you know, literally all of your previous contributions to this forum are ranting about tiny things that may *gasp* very slightly affect Lady Gaga's chart success.

Because, as I've already made super clear, pure sales alone don't matter much in the current chart, but in general sales (pure+streaming) they do make a difference, see by the ROCKSTAR case, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

 

I already disproved you when you used Rita Ora as an Alibi to undermine the original ACR rule, saying that in 2017 she'd lower the price of her songs on iTunes to escape ACR, but at the time of today's UK industry (with pure sales almost dead), reducing the price of a song won't even give half the effect that a discount would have on Rita and other artists' stuff back in 2017, when a discount really had an effect on the songs' chart positions, as they were still selling a lot on pure sales. This no longer fits the current scenario, since pure sales, as I said, are almost dead, so the fact that they changed the rule to prevent artists from manipulating charts with discounts on pure sales, today, is already useless and it would be much fairer for them to go back to the ACR rule of the beginning, which dresses the industry much better in 2020.

 

And I really don't know where we're going if you insist on playing blind and keep distorting what I say to every new quote you give in my posts. Also, don't bring my comments made on other topics to this topic, as they have nothing to do with it. Stay on topic. :coffee:

Edited July 12, 20204 yr by Adelita

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is called "I don't know how to interpret a simple text, or I know but I prefer to keep pretending that I don't understand, because my hate for Gaga's success can be greater than my ability to be rational":

 

Yeah so this basically reads as "I'm pressed ROCKSTAR isn't going to ACR just yet lol"

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is called "I don't know how to interpret a simple text, or I know but I prefer to keep pretending that I don't understand, because my hate for Gaga's success can be greater than my ability to be rational":

I've interpreted your text perfectly, your reasoning is paper thin and I've not seen anything to disprove what I've said?

I've interpreted your text perfectly, your reasoning is paper thin and I've not seen anything to disprove what I've said?

I will not repeat what I said for the thousandth time, keep playing the "smart" guy, my point still stands. :coffee:

Because, as I've already made super clear, pure sales alone don't matter much in the current chart, but in general sales (pure+streaming) they do make a difference, see by the ROCKSTAR case, that's not an opinion, that's a fact.

 

I already disproved you when you used Rita Ora as an Alibi to undermine the original ACR rule, saying that in 2017 she'd lower the price of her songs on iTunes to escape ACR, but at the time of today's UK industry (with pure sales almost dead), reducing the price of a song won't even give half the effect that a discount would have on Rita and other artists' stuff back in 2017, when a discount really had an effect on the songs' chart positions, as they were still selling a lot on pure sales. This no longer fits the current scenario, since pure sales, as I said, are almost dead, so the fact that they changed the rule to prevent artists from manipulating charts with discounts on pure sales, today, is already useless and it would be much fairer for them to go back to the ACR rule of the beginning, which dresses the industry much better in 2020.

 

And I really don't know where we're going if you insist on playing blind and keep distorting what I say to every new quote you give in my posts. Also, don't bring my comments made on other topics to this topic, as they have nothing to do with it. Stay on topic. :coffee:

 

Please point to where I've said you were wrong or just saying an opinion about 'ROCKSTAR'. For the third time, I already acknowledged that is a fact in my original post.

 

You are the one who is not acknowledging the fact I stated which is that changing the rule would result in other songs dodging ACR for the opposite reason. Saying that price discounts don't have as much of an effect on the chart now as they did in 2017 is absolutely not in any way 'disproving' this, at most what it disproves is that the rule change would make any noticeable difference to the chart at all. 'ROCKSTAR' last week went up 0.2% in streams and went down 0.2% in overall units. Are you saying it's impossible for the opposite to be the case?

 

As I said there are precisely 2 scenarios in which changing the rule would change ANYTHING, and in both cases, barring some kind of abnormally massive change in sales, it only affects the very small subset of songs in the chart that are a) on 7+ weeks in the chart and not already on ACR and b) only marginally changing in streams week-on-week. By pointing out that sales discounts are now less effective you are ironically helping to make my own point for me about how insignificant this change would be. And yet you're claiming that it would magically make the entire chart more fair and it would be better suited to the industry in 2020? Better suited to the industry because... downloads are now less relevant... so therefore they should have more influence...?? The entire argument of your posts just seems fundamentally contradictory. Once again let me whip it out:

 

(btw I never mentioned Rita Ora, that was Bjork x)

 

I'd like to challenge you to find a single other example where the difference in the ACR criteria made any impact on the charts which doesn't involve happening to be at Lady Gaga's disadvantage. If it's such a big problem as you're making it out to be and not just you being salty at this one example then I'm sure that won't be difficult for you to do.

Why am I wasting this much time engaging with Adelita

 

Why am I wasting this much time engaging with Adelita

 

Attention by Charlie Puth

 

A song that defines you, here's your answer. :jump:

Week ending 16th July 2020

DCL-3 | Song has declined for three consecutive weeks and will be on ACR in the next chart.

6ix9ine - GOOBA

Dua Lipa - Break My Heart

Little Mix - Break Up Song

Robbie Doherty & Keees. - Pour the Milk

S1mba feat. DTG - Rover

RESET | Song has seen an increase of over 25% in streams and will be returning to SCR next week.

Idina Menzel & AURORA - Into The Unknown

Glad GOOBA will be gone next week. Hopefully the last time we hear from him in the top 40 this year.

 

Good timing for Break My Heart as well with Hallucinate getting pushed now.

 

Also Rover opening up a spot in the top 10, so a good week for ACR conversions.

 

All here for a Frozen 2 comeback with the reset in place.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is called "I don't know how to interpret a simple text, or I know but I prefer to keep pretending that I don't understand, because my hate for Gaga's success can be greater than my ability to be rational":

Joseph hates Gaga so much, he even changed the OCC rules so that ROM went on ACR quicker :cry: why are you such a massive hater Joseph omg :cry: :cry: :cry:

 

You are not definitely not the one who's coming across as 'rational' in this thread in ANY way whatsoever Adelita baby. :lol:

 

#streamRockstar

Someone You Loved's chart run on the "old rules" top 200 without ACR and the three-track rule:

 

NE (24/01/2019) | 49-18-12-9-4-3-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-2-3-4-3-4-3-3-3-3-3-4-5-5-8-5-5-6-6-7-9-8-10-9-7-4-5-5-4-4-7-10-8-7-16-13-24-45-6-7-8-11-10-8-9-7-9-11-13-14-13-15-16-16-17-20-21-19-19-24-29-24-26-26-22-24-...

 

1st underline = this was the week it was first on ACR on the official top 100.

2nd underline = this was the week it returned to SCR on the official top 100 after a 25% increase in streams the week before.

3rd underline = this was the week it returned to ACR on the official top 100.

 

green = would've been top 10 without the Christmas songs above

 

I think that's correct - it took me ages to double check some of the positions :lol: Comparisons:

 

OFFICIAL vs OLD RULES

 

80 vs 78 = top 100 weeks (the initial week at #100 didn't happen, nor did its re-entry at #66 - it charted a week later)

31 vs 51 = top 10 weeks (43 consecutive weeks in the top 10!! and only knocked out by Christmas songs! just robbed of a full year top 10 on the old rules :o)

Thanks Joseph, I'd wondered what its chart run would have been! So it would have easily beaten the record of Frankie Laine - I Believe of 35 weeks in the Top 10, although the same song's record of 30 weeks in the Top 5 would still have remained intact as Someone You Loved would have 'only' managed 29!

(Edit: Dance Monkey might have at least equalled that record since)

 

Also noticed that SYL would have been at every position at least once in not just the Top 10 (something no song has done), but every position down to #22!

Edited July 12, 20204 yr by jimwatts

Can we get into the real tea that #that user so mad ROM is spending all that time the Top 3 on iTunes & ROCKSTAR is still beating up that song up in the charts (worldwide, at that)

:P

Attention by Charlie Puth

 

A song that defines you, here's your answer. :jump:

 

Irony is strong

Irony is strong

ur mum!!1

ur mum!!1

 

I've been ended oops

The posts in here :drama: is there a chance to get back on topic. :lol: :unsure:

I've been ended oops

that was me practicing my adelita for the snatch game x

Spotify numbers seem to be up quite a bit this week, have a feeling quite a lot of the 2 weeks declines will avoid ACR

Can anyone send me the link to the new thread!

edit: is Kings & Queens still on decline?

Edited July 17, 20204 yr by SophieMax