If Johnson does go in the next few weeks, he will have spent less time as PM than Gordon Brown or Theresa May :rofl:

Now that would be sweet sweet victory

But thrn we have Sunak, after the BBTory have lauded and praised him, builsing up a Tory cult, even fepicting him as SUPERMAN!!!!, in order to do the oligarch establishment's bidding. Blojo was their useful idiot.

It would actually be hilarious if he couldn't outlast both Brown and May :rofl:

 

Looking increasingly likely the 54 threshold has been reached. Surely Johnson won't survive? A vote of confidence in him would be a massive gift to all of the opposition parties.

 

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I hope he survives it, wounded, and is forced to call an election. Get it OUT whilst we still even have a PRETENCE of democracy!!!!

I am here for all out civil war in the Tory party. Will he do a 2019 Brexit strop again, kick the 54 out of the Tory party and then try to replace them at an election. He’s defo arrogant enough

I am here for all out civil war in the Tory party. Will he do a 2019 Brexit strop again, kick the 54 out of the Tory party and then try to replace them at an election. He’s defo arrogant enough

 

Ooooh!!! Probably what he will do!!! Majority of 80, thanks to common sense et al, so he can lose 54 in a mad power strop!

Love how the process involving a 1922 committee and letters in locked drawers screams modernity! :nocheer:

 

I was before the lastest revelations broadly in favour of a weakened Johnson standing but that partying when people weren't allowed to say goodbye to loved ones and then lying his head off is just too much. Even if Truss or Sunak ideaologically push it more to the right there may at least be some more standards and accountability. Johnson is a TERRIBLE example to people in this country morally for a leader.

Johnson’s position looks increasingly untenable. His latest rhetoric is that ‘no one warned’ him about the lockdown party involving bring your own booze on 20th May and even if this is true which is highly debatable, he did nothing to stop the party or any of the others that have taken place. He is clearly trying his best to deflect and avoid taking any responsibility. He is a compulsive liar and the British public can see through it. He talks about developing a culture which stamps out this kind of behaviour but he only has his own interests at heart and it’s mere lip service. I suspect he will be gone in the next few months after a leadership contest but the problem lies much deeper in his own party. Its not just Johnson who has been dishonest but so have many others associated with his own party including Cummings, who Johnson failed to challenge when he broke the rules. The question is will the public be ready to forgive and forget by the time of the next election?

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The rich landed gèntry are used to firing the serfs and servants when a posh old boy does wrong, and the common senses are just fine with that. Might not work this time.

Johnson’s position looks increasingly untenable. His latest rhetoric is that ‘no one warned’ him about the lockdown party involving bring your own booze on 20th May and even if this is true which is highly debatable, he did nothing to stop the party or any of the others that have taken place. He is clearly trying his best to deflect and avoid taking any responsibility. He is a compulsive liar and the British public can see through it. He talks about developing a culture which stamps out this kind of behaviour but he only has his own interests at heart and it’s mere lip service. I suspect he will be gone in the next few months after a leadership contest but the problem lies much deeper in his own party. Its not just Johnson who has been dishonest but so have many others associated with his own party including Cummings, who Johnson failed to challenge when he broke the rules. The question is will the public be ready to forgive and forget by the time of the next election?

 

There's a completely different storm coming though with the energy prices. People are going to be paying double what they were paying this time last year, that's gonna effect the poorest but it will also piss off everyone in the middle bracket too. There's no way The Tories survive that imo unless they do something radical to not just help the poor, but decrease the burden on the middle bracket too. Any Leader who takes control is going to have a massive fight on their hands, none of them have the gift to the electorate like Johnson did either.

 

From a Tory strategic sense, Johnson going the at the best time possible would be after the local May elections. Surely they just accept the hit, move leaders and have a wave of optimism ready for Party conference season. But looks like the Red Wall MPs want him gone before that, probably because they've been hammered with emails and know they're going to lose their season in 2024 as these places are not safe Tory seats.

Johnson has particularly pissed off Uber Gammon Tim Martin from Wetherspoon who (rightly) highlighed the hypocrisy for Downing Street holding parties whilst his pubs had to close.

Johnson has particularly pissed off Uber Gammon Tim Martin from Wetherspoon who (rightly) highlighed the hypocrisy for Downing Street holding parties whilst his pubs had to close.

 

Both of those people are horrendous. Isn’t the Wetherspoons guy the one who pumped loads of time and effort into the Brexit campaign?

 

(I’m not defending Boris in any way - it is clear hypocrisy)

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Yea that is the same mouldy slice of gammon you are thinking of. Particularly odious

Yes hence called him uber gammon but it shows that Johnson is not going to really have any support at all anymore. Well apart from maybe Nadine Dorries - I can imagine she won't remain a cabinet minister with whoever takes over. Hopefully the new person would demote the goddawful Raab, Patel and Mogg too. But getting ahead of myself now... let's see what happens too.

lol I’ve never heard the term Uber Gammon!

There's a completely different storm coming though with the energy prices. People are going to be paying double what they were paying this time last year, that's gonna effect the poorest but it will also piss off everyone in the middle bracket too. There's no way The Tories survive that imo unless they do something radical to not just help the poor, but decrease the burden on the middle bracket too. Any Leader who takes control is going to have a massive fight on their hands, none of them have the gift to the electorate like Johnson did either.

 

From a Tory strategic sense, Johnson going the at the best time possible would be after the local May elections. Surely they just accept the hit, move leaders and have a wave of optimism ready for Party conference season. But looks like the Red Wall MPs want him gone before that, probably because they've been hammered with emails and know they're going to lose their season in 2024 as these places are not safe Tory seats.

 

I agree - the energy prices spike will hurt many families and businesses. Other factors such as the increase in NI contribution, increase in petrol prices and impact of Brexit on food prices will also be felt.

According to BBC it is 5.4% increase year on year (highest for 30 years)

 

I don’t know the ins and outs of it, but I do think the cost of living increases are disgusting. Poor people are going to get into financial trouble and those who were previously comfortable will slide to the poor bracket

We got a defection! Marginal Red Waller from Bury South, Christian Wakeford has defected to Labour.

 

I wonder if any other Red Wallers will follow suit.

We got a defection! Marginal Red Waller from Bury South, Christian Wakeford has defected to Labour.

 

I wonder if any other Red Wallers will follow suit.

 

I saw that and looked him up - whoever did his Wikipedia page definitely wants to highlight some discrepancies in what he claimed in expenses vs what he actually did (not a lot)

One consequence of that defection is that the number of letters of no confidence submitted has gone down by one. Wakeford is one of the few who had gone public about writing such a letter.