It looks likely it will be extended to 1st June.

 

It is quite frustrating that we are told ‘3 week lockdowns’ which are technically 3.5 weeks by the time they get round to making the next announcement.

Whilst Boris announced the lockdown on the Monday, the actual Regulations came into force on the Thursday with a requirement that it was reviewed every 21 days with the first review being before 16 April. The next review should therefore be announced by 7 May.

Whilst Boris announced the lockdown on the Monday, the actual Regulations came into force on the Thursday with a requirement that it was reviewed every 21 days with the first review being before 16 April. The next review should therefore be announced by 7 May.

 

It is still confusing for the general public, I have seen countless posts where people believe we are getting the extension announced next Thursday

It is still confusing for the general public, I have seen countless posts where people believe we are getting the extension announced next Thursday

Which would be correct, next Thursday is the deadline for the next review

That's a bit unfair though about Wuhan, it's clear the information out of China was uninformative and unreliable.. I mean the WHO didn't even call this a pandemic early March and most of the whole world didn't really take note until Italy got hit pretty badly. Most businesses across the world carried on for some time. How do you get public engagement when it doesn't mean anything? There are thousands dying every day across the Middle East and Africa etc. etc. through war and all sorts of shit but nobody really cares unless there is an emotive reason to care. Shutting the world down cripples the economy, so while it is the right thing to do in the short term, make no mistake about it there is going to be mass redunancies, business restructres and collapses throughout the world.

 

But as a positive of the pandemic, lots of businesses seem to have taken note that you don't need international/domestic travel between operation sites and locations, the technology is there in place. So perhaps one positive is hopefully there are some cost savings attached that can save jobs etc. - although I won't hold my breath!

 

I disagree. Is China the sort of society which would totally lock down a major city for no good reason, just to be on the safe side, along with all the huge impact on it's international business and reputation? No it isn't. It was clear the CIA had already warned israel and NATO long before this anyway, from recent reports, so it could hardly be called a secret, and even if it was, a few days later Chinese Doctors published details on the global scene within days (AFTER local politicians had tried to delay, obfuscate and deny for at least weeks). So nobody from that point had any excuse to ignore the forthcoming problem.

 

I just don't get this ongoing "who knew?" apologising for governments. It's their job to know. The news reports were on the TV night after night. We elect them to keep us safe, not to try and make sure that only tens of thousand of us die. If the government had been warned of forthcoming bombs with the capability to kill thousands were going to be planted under all football stadiums in two months, and there was ample evidence provided from football stadium massacres from another country having the wherewithal to do it, would everyone just shrug their shoulders as 25,000 die in explosions two months later just because they couldnt be arsed to bring in checks and measures or close down the football stadiums, or would we, y'know, criticise them for being blinkered and bothered about the profits of the football clubs?

I would say unfortunately quite a high proportion of young people without health conditions especially wouldn't be worried about getting the virus. Would be interesting if there was a survey to show what proportion of under 40s wouldn't be worried about getting the virus, I would expect the percentage to be nearly half myself.

 

Possibly, but I'd also suspect that the younger population are likely also to be the most liberal and socially aware. It's hard to generalise really, for what it's worth, with people who I have been break lockdown rules it's been mixed really. I see Dominos delivery drivers every day just all stood together chatting. The reality is, it appears that for 8 out of 10 of us the symptoms are very mild. But in doing this we don't realise we have the virus and pass it on unwittingly to those who might not be so lucky.

Which would be correct, next Thursday is the deadline for the next review

 

To be clear I am stating the confusion is when the 3 weeks starts and next lockdown is announced.

 

Hence if it was to end people think it would end on Thursday rather than this being announced on the Monday.

I disagree. Is China the sort of society which would totally lock down a major city for no good reason, just to be on the safe side, along with all the huge impact on it's international business and reputation? No it isn't. It was clear the CIA had already warned israel and NATO long before this anyway, from recent reports, so it could hardly be called a secret, and even if it was, a few days later Chinese Doctors published details on the global scene within days (AFTER local politicians had tried to delay, obfuscate and deny for at least weeks). So nobody from that point had any excuse to ignore the forthcoming problem.

 

I just don't get this ongoing "who knew?" apologising for governments. It's their job to know. The news reports were on the TV night after night. We elect them to keep us safe, not to try and make sure that only tens of thousand of us die. If the government had been warned of forthcoming bombs with the capability to kill thousands were going to be planted under all football stadiums in two months, and there was ample evidence provided from football stadium massacres from another country having the wherewithal to do it, would everyone just shrug their shoulders as 25,000 die in explosions two months later just because they couldnt be arsed to bring in checks and measures or close down the football stadiums, or would we, y'know, criticise them for being blinkered and bothered about the profits of the football clubs?

 

But in that case you can blame the whole world, as nobody paid attention. It's 99.9% clear that China tried to hide how bad things were to the rest of the world initially. The fact is while Chinese doctors may ahve said how bad the virus was, Government's negotiate with the State Authorities and not the Science/Medical community, so unless the line was coming from the China it is unlikely any adjustments will have been made.

I disagree. Is China the sort of society which would totally lock down a major city for no good reason, just to be on the safe side, along with all the huge impact on it's international business and reputation? No it isn't. It was clear the CIA had already warned israel and NATO long before this anyway, from recent reports, so it could hardly be called a secret, and even if it was, a few days later Chinese Doctors published details on the global scene within days (AFTER local politicians had tried to delay, obfuscate and deny for at least weeks). So nobody from that point had any excuse to ignore the forthcoming problem.

 

I just don't get this ongoing "who knew?" apologising for governments. It's their job to know. The news reports were on the TV night after night. We elect them to keep us safe, not to try and make sure that only tens of thousand of us die. If the government had been warned of forthcoming bombs with the capability to kill thousands were going to be planted under all football stadiums in two months, and there was ample evidence provided from football stadium massacres from another country having the wherewithal to do it, would everyone just shrug their shoulders as 25,000 die in explosions two months later just because they couldnt be arsed to bring in checks and measures or close down the football stadiums, or would we, y'know, criticise them for being blinkered and bothered about the profits of the football clubs?

 

I agree with you that it was the governments job to know and be aware, the general public wouldn’t have expected it to be as bad as it got.

 

I remember seeing the hospitals being built in China at the end of January and knowing it must have been extremely bad. However, given none of us have lived through a pandemic and didn’t understand much about viruses and science it was hard to imagine being in the situation we are in now. The problem arises in that people are paid to understand these things and still nothing happened until it was too late, surely the building of these large scale hospitals should have been a clear indicator. The people responsible to look after these things are more to blame than China.

 

To be clear I am stating the confusion is when the 3 weeks starts and next lockdown is announced.

 

Hence if it was to end people think it would end on Thursday rather than this being announced on the Monday.

It ends when it is announced? Isn;t that how the government is working? (genuine question btw, as thats what The Netherlands does mostly. The announce a date until which the measures are in place for sure, but we all know they'll be extended anyway)

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.aljazeer...7072044548.html

This also mentions the roughly 30% infection rate tho?

That was later revised as an error to the 26% I posted

But in that case you can blame the whole world, as nobody paid attention. It's 99.9% clear that China tried to hide how bad things were to the rest of the world initially. The fact is while Chinese doctors may ahve said how bad the virus was, Government's negotiate with the State Authorities and not the Science/Medical community, so unless the line was coming from the China it is unlikely any adjustments will have been made.

It's easy to say that but there is one question I haven't even seen asked, let alone answered. It is similar to what happens after almost every terrorist attack. Within days it becomes evident that the suspect was on a list of potential terrorists. Very occasionally, it becomes clear that the suspect was on a list of tens of thousands of people thought to present a similar risk. The overwhelming majority of those people (about 99.99%) do NOT commit a terrorist act. Thereforre, for the police to monitor all of them closely would cost a massive sum of money and achieve almost nothing.

 

The same applies here. If China had alerted the WHO at the first sign of the virus, would the response have been on the lines of "Thanks for letting us know. We'll keep an eye on it in the same way we kept an eye on the dozens of other viruses that eventually came to naught"? In other words, it isn't entirely clear when it became evident that this virus really was "the big one" the world has been anticipating for decades rather than another false alarm.

 

Just to go back to the apparently low German death rate, one of the reasons is that they have tested more people.

It ends when it is announced? Isn;t that how the government is working? (genuine question btw, as thats what The Netherlands does mostly. The announce a date until which the measures are in place for sure, but we all know they'll be extended anyway)

This also mentions the roughly 30% infection rate tho?

That was later revised as an error to the 26% I posted

 

I don’t know what you want me to tell you, the article states that they are expecting to reach Herd Immunity in Stockholm by May whether it is true or not I don’t know I’m not a scientist.

 

In regards to the government dates they are confusing for people, I understand them I’m saying the general public do not.

It's easy to say that but there is one question I haven't even seen asked, let alone answered. It is similar to what happens after almost every terrorist attack. Within days it becomes evident that the suspect was on a list of potential terrorists. Very occasionally, it becomes clear that the suspect was on a list of tens of thousands of people thought to present a similar risk. The overwhelming majority of those people (about 99.99%) do NOT commit a terrorist act. Thereforre, for the police to monitor all of them closely would cost a massive sum of money and achieve almost nothing.

 

The same applies here. If China had alerted the WHO at the first sign of the virus, would the response have been on the lines of "Thanks for letting us know. We'll keep an eye on it in the same way we kept an eye on the dozens of other viruses that eventually came to naught"? In other words, it isn't entirely clear when it became evident that this virus really was "the big one" the world has been anticipating for decades rather than another false alarm.

 

Just to go back to the apparently low German death rate, one of the reasons is that they have tested more people.

 

Is this virus really the big one though, I think in the grand scheme of things this was a wake up for the big one that would wipe out all generations.

Looking at Worldometer Russia have now performed 3.5 million tests. Does anyone know why their testing capabilities seem to be so far ahead?

The same applies here. If China had alerted the WHO at the first sign of the virus, would the response have been on the lines of "Thanks for letting us know. We'll keep an eye on it in the same way we kept an eye on the dozens of other viruses that eventually came to naught"? In other words, it isn't entirely clear when it became evident that this virus really was "the big one" the world has been anticipating for decades rather than another false alarm.

 

Just to go back to the apparently low German death rate, one of the reasons is that they have tested more people.

 

I have to rate when it became evident that this was a big one to the original Wuhan lockdown though. No one locks down a city like that for anything normal. And at that point, the governments of the world had over a month, almost two months in some cases, to draw up a plan of action for making sure the same didn't happen in their countries.

 

But instead the media and governments were portraying it as something that was happening Over There, even as cases began to show up all over the world here and there, while in China and Italy, they were portraying it as apocalyptic, now it's worse in the USA and the UK than it ever got there and the number of deaths is a footnote on our newspaper articles. But even as late as the end of February you had senior American politicians talking about hoaxes, you had this complacency, you had world leaders declaring business as normal and it's hurt them.

In regards to the government dates they are confusing for people, I understand them I’m saying the general public do not.

But how are they confusing to people, that was my main question haha

Is this virus really the big one though, I think in the grand scheme of things this was a wake up for the big one that would wipe out all generations.

 

True, this one has a fairly low mortality rate compared to previous historic plagues, had it been more severe, you would have true apocalypse, and it's shown the importance of maintaining a pandemic response plan, which I hope the governments of the world will stick to and not just quietly dispose of in 20 years (as a cost-saving measure, no doubt) when they think it can't happen again.

But how are they confusing to people, that was my main question haha

 

I can’t be bothered to explain further sorry.

Anyone else who would like to explain to a poor foreigner? I'm literally just trying to understand lmao

To go back a few pages to Iz's point; yes, it's a good one that tangential conditions *can* be managed by government efforts to mitigate.

 

The difficulty is, seven weeks in, we've heard nothing from either the government or media regarding the possibility of anything like that. Instead we have little to no acknowledgement from official and public-facing sources that anything whatsoever EXCEPT corona is facing the public, or any individuals among the public, as regards public health comcerns.

 

There's nothing about how to mitigate cancer wards having closed across the country, GPs not taking patients, dentists being closed for months at a time. To say nothing of the mental health pressures on expecting,for example, parents to work from home as normal for no extra salary while also becoming full-time childcarers.

 

What I would like to see is even some kind of outline of action plan to manage these very real circumstances that are quite within the government's remit to do something about without lifting the full restrictions we have been living under these last six werks.

I have to rate when it became evident that this was a big one to the original Wuhan lockdown though. No one locks down a city like that for anything normal. And at that point, the governments of the world had over a month, almost two months in some cases, to draw up a plan of action for making sure the same didn't happen in their countries.

 

But instead the media and governments were portraying it as something that was happening Over There, even as cases began to show up all over the world here and there, while in China and Italy, they were portraying it as apocalyptic, now it's worse in the USA and the UK than it ever got there and the number of deaths is a footnote on our newspaper articles. But even as late as the end of February you had senior American politicians talking about hoaxes, you had this complacency, you had world leaders declaring business as normal and it's hurt them.

All of which supports my point. China may have kept fairly quiet at the very beginning but they were up-front about the action they were taking when it became evident just how serious this was. Of course, the likelihood is that it had started to spread to Europe undetected by then.