Well less than 200+ would be ideal, but that discussion is really for the Coronavirus thread rather than here.

 

 

72 today but Sunday's figures are always a bit low.

You can't say I fully support Black Lives Matter but I am against protests for that cause. Then you're not supportive of the BLM movement. Sorry.

 

All you care is about yourself and all you want is this virus to be over so you can have your life pre-covid back!!!

 

How about people of color having a fear for their life on daily basis pre and during covid?!!

 

Oh wait that is not as important as the pandemic taking lives :rolleye:

 

I'm not against the protests at all. But there is a time and a place for them and during a global pandemic is not the bloody time. I couldn't care whether people are protesting about Black Lives Matter, Brexit, Pro-EU, Extinction Rebellion or Flat Earth movement. I'd file them all under the selfish category. I'm about as selfish as everyone else who is protesting right now, except I'm not about to go and unwittingly inflect countless other people. Also (being an arsehole here) with an attiude like that you're never going make any lasting change to cultural views.

 

People can't attend their families funerals or visit their loved ones in hospital but it's OK for everyone to go out and protest. But it's not OK to go out and protest if it's for anything but Black Lives Matter. There's so much hyporcisy from people, and great alternative suggestions (some of which are in this thread) which can be done without the need for a bloody mass protest.

I can see people’s points but at the end of the day, when will the time be right for protesting? We have no idea when this global pandemic will end, we are more than likely going to be needing to social distance for years. People can’t just set aside their feelings and beliefs just because something else is deemed more important. The picture of prostrate around the country yesterday appear to have been peaceful outside of London with people wearing masks on the whole. Distancing is more of an issue but no one was distancing on the beach or during VE Day, and all that was only criticised by a few, whereas people are using the virus as a weapon to undermine BLM. There were excuses about ‘they’ve been inside for 2 months’ and ‘mental health’ thrown around for the beach trips. Dominic Cummings was even dressed up as parent of the year for breaking the rules. But as soon as people break the rules for something that actually matters, like the lives of non white people, the criticism goes through the roof. Why? Because it doesn’t affect them personally.

 

I believe the majority of those protesting know the risks and will do all they can not to spread the virus. But let’s not pretend our government actually care about the virus spread.

I just can't not be worried about the lack of social distancing. It's not for me as a white person to tell people of colour how to protest and I'm fully behind those who are out there campaigning but I'm even more behind people who are doing that while attempting to social distance. I do agree with your point though T Boy, some are being very opportunistic and are exploiting concerns over covid but I've been even more critical of the VE Day congas and beach outings as have a lot of people tbf.

 

EDIT: Just a note ik loads of people ARE trying their best to social distance at the protests, don't take this post as a rejection of them because I completely agree with the protests.

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I understand the worry of the lack of social distancing but unless you are actively taking part in these protests then you have little to worry about. We can all look after ourselves and do what we think is right for us. Whether that’s taking part in a process or staying in because of social distancing. If we end up having another lockdown, then maybe it’s worth it to help end racism.

I understand the worry of the lack of social distancing but unless you are actively taking part in these protests then you have little to worry about. We can all look after ourselves and do what we think is right for us. Whether that’s taking part in a process or staying in because of social distancing. If we end up having another lockdown, then maybe it’s worth it to help end racism.

 

Yes it’s worth killing more people by spreading the virus and allowing it to spread further? I honestly think people would have such a different view if somebody from their family died from Corona.

 

We’re struggling with the virus, maybe in a month / two month time this protest would be a lot more appropriate but right now elderly people are getting out for the first time and rallies of 20,000 right now is not sensible. Social media is such a huge platform right now and it’s the most effective way to show support while not put others at risk.

 

Again I’m in full support of Black Lives Matter, just so y’all don’t start accusing.

People can't attend their families funerals

 

 

Some can though. 10 allowed at funerals in our Borough.

I don’t think the public will accept social distancing for ‘years’ as mentioned above.

 

 

I understand the worry of the lack of social distancing but unless you are actively taking part in these protests then you have little to worry about. We can all look after ourselves and do what we think is right for us. Whether that’s taking part in a process or staying in because of social distancing. If we end up having another lockdown, then maybe it’s worth it to help end racism.

But if right-wingers/ignorant people find some way of saying the protests lead to a second lockdown (I mean if there was a big second wave, the Tory government lifting restrictions far too early and people going out in big friendship groups, like I've seen up here, would undoubtedly be 90% of the cause, not the protests) I'm worried that it won't help end racism, and it'll turn people against the cause if they see the protests as to blame. As I'm sure we all know there's a good quarter at least of this country that is easily taken in by whatever right-wing politicians/newspapers say and if they use the BLM movement as a scapegoat for the second wave rather than the Tory incompetency then it scares me that people will buy into that.

 

There's a protest in Aberdeen next Saturday where the organisers have said that social distancing will be observed as much as possible and I am considering going to it, I just really want to help.

I just can't not be worried about the lack of social distancing. It's not for me as a white person to tell people of colour how to protest and I'm fully behind those who are out there campaigning but I'm even more behind people who are doing that while attempting to social distance. I do agree with your point though T Boy, some are being very opportunistic and are exploiting concerns over covid but I've been even more critical of the VE Day congas and beach outings as have a lot of people tbf.

 

EDIT: Just a note ik loads of people ARE trying their best to social distance at the protests, don't take this post as a rejection of them because I completely agree with the protests.

 

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It doesn’t look like there is any social distancing going on in Bristol to be honest.

 

In regards to this statue it is pretty appalling there was a statue of a slave trader in the city something I wasn’t aware of until today. However, I’m failing to understand how it’s acceptable the public take it upon themselves to throw it in the river yet we had people on here yesterday saying everyone was peaceful until the police got involved these actions aren’t peaceful.

But if right-wingers/ignorant people find some way of saying the protests lead to a second lockdown (I mean if there was a big second wave, the Tory government lifting restrictions far too early and people going out in big friendship groups, like I've seen up here, would undoubtedly be 90% of the cause, not the protests) I'm worried that it won't help end racism, and it'll turn people against the cause if they see the protests as to blame. As I'm sure we all know there's a good quarter at least of this country that is easily taken in by whatever right-wing politicians/newspapers say and if they use the BLM movement as a scapegoat for the second wave rather than the Tory incompetency then it scares me that people will buy into that.

 

There's a protest in Aberdeen next Saturday where the organisers have said that social distancing will be observed as much as possible and I am considering going to it, I just really want to help.

 

Nicola Sturgeon has actually advised going to protests.

 

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Yes it’s worth killing more people by spreading the virus and allowing it to spread further? I honestly think people would have such a different view if somebody from their family died from Corona.

 

We’re struggling with the virus, maybe in a month / two month time this protest would be a lot more appropriate but right now elderly people are getting out for the first time and rallies of 20,000 right now is not sensible. Social media is such a huge platform right now and it’s the most effective way to show support while not put others at risk.

 

Again I’m in full support of Black Lives Matter, just so y’all don’t start accusing.

 

FYI, a family member of mine has died from the virus.

 

I’ve actually been very critical of the lifting of lockdown so quickly, particularly in England, but I feel as a white person it is absolutely not my place to be critical of these protests. I have never had to suffer discrimination of those proportions. It’s funny how people can be so quiet when a government wants to rush us out of a lockdown when it’s still not safe but then pipe up when people are actually fighting racism. I know eradication of racism won’t get the pubs open or get people shopping more but it’s a worthy cause.

 

And let’s not forget about the lives lost of BAME citizens due to institutionalised racism. That’s what this is all about. It’s a huge issue and sometimes you can’t put your feelings aside and just wait until the white people say it’s safe.

I don’t think the public will accept social distancing for ‘years’ as mentioned above.

 

Then the public will have to stop moaning about protests then, because people won’t put them off for years either.

Then the public will have to stop moaning about protests then, because people won’t put them off for years either.

 

I haven’t moaned about the actual protests itself just the non peaceful side but you are delusional if you think we will be social distancing for years and people will just accept it.

FYI, a family member of mine has died from the virus.

 

I’ve actually been very critical of the lifting of lockdown so quickly, particularly in England, but I feel as a white person it is absolutely not my place to be critical of these protests. I have never had to suffer discrimination of those proportions. It’s funny how people can be so quiet when a government wants to rush us out of a lockdown when it’s still not safe but then pipe up when people are actually fighting racism. I know eradication of racism won’t get the pubs open or get people shopping more but it’s a worthy cause.

 

And let’s not forget about the lives lost of BAME citizens due to institutionalised racism. That’s what this is all about. It’s a huge issue and sometimes you can’t put your feelings aside and just wait until the white people say it’s safe.

 

The only thing that’s being criticised is the large amount of people attending the protests with the fear of the virus being spread? I don’t want to lose any family members from a protest? SocialMedia right now is so effective and less reckless right now, the protests could be done when we’re clear of the virus. ’d say that people are well within their right to be concerned? A lot of people have stuck to lockdown rules and have complained about people flocking to the beach, it’s not people complaining just because people are fighting racism, what an absolute ridiculous statement to make. .

I haven’t moaned about the actual protests itself just the non peaceful side but you are delusional if you think we will be social distancing for years and people will just accept it.

 

Not everything is about you, I didn’t even mention you in my post.

 

The public who are right now complaining that people are protesting in a pandemic? They are delusional if they think I care whether they’ll accept social distancing for years or not because they’ll be hypocrites.

 

It may be years until we get a vaccine and that’s even if we do get one. What will be the alternative to social distancing to keep people safe?

I’ve complained about people attending the beaches, I’ve complained about people having mass gatherings, I’ve complained about people breaking the rules. That’s fine

 

I’ve complained about 20,000 attending a protest. Then racism comes into play?

The only thing that’s being criticised is the large amount of people attending the protests with the fear of the virus being spread? I don’t want to lose any family members from a protest? SocialMedia right now is so effective and less reckless right now, the protests could be done when we’re clear of the virus. ’d say that people are well within their right to be concerned? A lot of people have stuck to lockdown rules and have complained about people flocking to the beach, it’s not people complaining just because people are fighting racism, what an absolute ridiculous statement to make. .

 

Some of it is though. I’m not accusing you personally of that or anyone in this thread necessarily, but if you actually look at some of the comments on social media, they are completely tone deaf to the issue.

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I am married to a person of color and therefore I know firsthand the struggles of POC.

 

No matter how hard you try and put concealer on your opinion that protests during this time shouldn't happen, I just won't buy it and can't help but think you're selfish and privileged.

I can see people’s points but at the end of the day, when will the time be right for protesting? We have no idea when this global pandemic will end, we are more than likely going to be needing to social distance for years. People can’t just set aside their feelings and beliefs just because something else is deemed more important. The picture of prostrate around the country yesterday appear to have been peaceful outside of London with people wearing masks on the whole. Distancing is more of an issue but no one was distancing on the beach or during VE Day, and all that was only criticised by a few, whereas people are using the virus as a weapon to undermine BLM. There were excuses about ‘they’ve been inside for 2 months’ and ‘mental health’ thrown around for the beach trips. Dominic Cummings was even dressed up as parent of the year for breaking the rules. But as soon as people break the rules for something that actually matters, like the lives of non white people, the criticism goes through the roof. Why? Because it doesn’t affect them personally.

 

I believe the majority of those protesting know the risks and will do all they can not to spread the virus. But let’s not pretend our government actually care about the virus spread.

 

Maybe the right time for physical protesting is not during a pandemic? Just a thought. People have now got a case of the UK Government by trying to justify something they don't really agree with, but they don't really want to say it because they don't want to be accused of not supporting the Black Lives Matter movement. The justification is "but people went to the beaches" or "but there was a VE day conga", sorry but they are all just excuses. And just to throw it out there I disagree with them both. I mean I didn't even know VE day was such a thing until this year!

 

There was some social distancing going on, certainly in some of the smaller protests. It's impossible to do so on a large scale, hence why every country have banned large scale events. Some really intelligent people have no changed their tune in this thread. Like I said before if this was a Un-Lockdown protest people would have a very different tune. I'm not against relaxing restrictions, I'm of full knowledge we're going to have to live with the virus for some time, but then if the protests are OK why can't we have Carnival this year or why can't Liverpool FC organise the biggest party known to man for 30 years to celebrate the league title? They can't because it's wrong and there is too much risk involved.