Oh are we talking about memories when our parents got us the Spice album?

 

Well, I started to cry. Cry because I didn't want to be a f***** and also cry because I wanted to keep the album. Very conflicting feelings about it tbh.

You kept the album and it's the reason you're posting here now :yahoo: :arrr:

 

You kept the album and it's the reason you're posting here now :yahoo: :arrr:

 

No, I actually forced him to take back the album and then I bought it in secret.

I remember getting it and I played it over and over in my bedroom till my parents were sick of it lol.

I got Spice for Christmas 96 on cd with my 1st ever cd player it was my main present I played it to death in my room pretty much every day until Spice world came out in 97.

The Dua Lipa duet doesn't contribute massively to his album's streams here, because it's the top track from it - and neither does the second most streamed track. The contribution of those songs is lowered to the average of streams achieved by the third to the twelfth most streamed songs from the album. So Dua's presence is essentially negatable in terms of helping out his album streaming sales. People are actually listening to the non-singles in quite significant numbers.

 

It's still uncommon for an artist like him - who has been around for decades - to attract a strong streaming audience, even with a bit of help with some modern duet partners. If it was that easy then many other older artists would dominate the streaming era.

 

I get what you are saying about the two main songs BUT the point is that Elton has never stopped releasing music, taking part in massive events. A very popular movie about him with music all over it was released recently. The fact that his new music includes younger artists also means that other audiences will go to his music, not just the one or two hits that count for the majority of streams. Basically his 'casual fans' audience has just grown with the times because he continued to work with the times too...

 

The popularity of his songs has been very well capitalised throughout the last decade whilst streaming grew into the main market force. Lion King, his constant touring, his constant collaboration in world-wide events, etc.

 

He never stopped.

 

The same cant be said about the Spice Girls. Like it or not, the girls themselves only recently started to get interested in their own back catalogue as a group to actually do something about it - touring and agreeing to have their merch and music again published.

 

They have a lot of leg work to do if they ever want to get to the point of Elton, unfortunally. Or even near that...

I don't mind the girls not being out promoting this, it's an album reissue it's not really a big thing in the grand scheme of things. I just wish the team had come up with anything more exciting or interesting than 'I am A Spice Girl' I just find it so cringe and awful.

I get what you are saying about the two main songs BUT the point is that Elton has never stopped releasing music, taking part in massive events. A very popular movie about him with music all over it was released recently. The fact that his new music includes younger artists also means that other audiences will go to his music, not just the one or two hits that count for the majority of streams. Basically his 'casual fans' audience has just grown with the times because he continued to work with the times too...

 

The popularity of his songs has been very well capitalised throughout the last decade whilst streaming grew into the main market force. Lion King, his constant touring, his constant collaboration in world-wide events, etc.

 

He never stopped.

 

The same cant be said about the Spice Girls. Like it or not, the girls themselves only recently started to get interested in their own back catalogue as a group to actually do something about it - touring and agreeing to have their merch and music again published.

 

They have a lot of leg work to do if they ever want to get to the point of Elton, unfortunally. Or even near that...

 

All I’ve said is that for an artist of his era, it is totally an exception to the rule that Elton is doing well on streaming with new music, regardless of how active he’s been. This is actually his first new music album since early 2016, and that album reached #6.

 

I appreciate that his movie has boosted his overall appeal and has clearly been cross-generational, but that was for his old music. That alone wouldn’t necessarily translate into big success with new music, regardless of the inclusion of younger collaborators, but he’s managed it - and that’s rare! I can’t think of any other artists his age who achieve the same streaming support. I mean there’s artists 20-30 years younger than him who couldn’t.

 

In my view it’s a situation of luck and good circumstances for Elton, it’s not a reward for hard work and activity because streaming platforms snub countless artists who work hard who were previously huge. Kylie’s one of the biggest female artists in UK chart history & streaming platforms are cold towards her. Perhaps Madonna working on a biopic is a sign that she wants what Elton has, because despite her releasing albums as regularly as Elton does, and she’s worked with young artists, she is most definitely a first week physical sales wonder, who hasn’t caught on properly on streaming.

 

Spice Girls could have been the most active girl group in the world for the past 3 years, and released new music, yet there’s every chance that streaming success would have been extremely hard to achieve. There’s zero guarantees. They could very well be the usual “first week sales are decent because of physicals but then they nosedive” act.

 

So I still maintain that Elton John doing very decent streaming sales in his second week of release, enough to overcome a physical onslaught from a first week Spice Girls reissue, is impressive & unusual.

I don't mind the girls not being out promoting this, it's an album reissue it's not really a big thing in the grand scheme of things. I just wish the team had come up with anything more exciting or interesting than 'I am A Spice Girl' I just find it so cringe and awful.

Particularly as those damn badges ruined my HMV order of vinyl <_<

Happy 4th of November, y’all Spice bees. And remember:

 

“This love is not demanding $$$ / My heart has told me so”

 

Lazy cows 😂

The campaign I'd have done 'Spice 25 - Iconic Moments' and over the last few weeks have sound bites from the girls on iconic moments and put them up on YouTube. So Brits 97, Oxford Street lights, Wannabe Video, SYBT video, 1st TOTP performance. Make nice cute videos with any behind the scenes footage, the actual performances and 1 line sound bites from the girls 'The Brits 97 was amazing but I was absolutely bricking it' Melanie C.

 

regardless of the inclusion of younger collaborators

With all due respect, I think you are hugely underestimating the inclusion of Dua Lipa, Nicki Minaj, Charlie Puth, Rina Sawayama, Gorillaz, Years & Years, Miley Cyrus, Lil Nas X, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Nicks & Glen Campbell on his album. Each one of them has a fanbase that is going to stream the track they are featured on.

 

If Elton released a regular (featureless) album, I doubt he would see such $ucce$$.

Edited November 4, 20213 yr by Voodoo

With all due respect, I think you are hugely underestimating the inclusion of Dua Lipa, Nicki Minaj, Charlie Puth, Rina Sawayama, Gorillaz, Years & Years, Miley Cyrus, Lil Nas X, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Nicks & Glen Campbell on his album. Each one of them has a fanbase that is going to stream the track they are featured on.

 

If Elton released a regular (featureless) album, I doubt he would see such $ucce$$.

 

Oh wow I didnt even think it was that many. I mean, of course those are incredibly large fanbase who will be streaming a lot, so it makes sense to me that he is doing so well, no wonder...

 

And it will probably stick for a while, it raises his profile in the streaming world even if it is by piggy backing onto other artists' audience.

 

Clever Elton!

With all due respect, I think you are hugely underestimating the inclusion of Dua Lipa, Nicki Minaj, Charlie Puth, Rina Sawayama, Gorillaz, Years & Years, Miley Cyrus, Lil Nas X, Stevie Wonder, Stevie Nicks & Glen Campbell on his album. Each one of them has a fanbase that is going to stream the track they are featured on.

 

If Elton released a regular (featureless) album, I doubt he would see such $ucce$$.

 

I agree it's clever of Elton especially after his tour has been postponed so could potentially have lost a lot of tickets to refunds. He needed a boost and he's latched on to younger artists or artists with fan bases already.

 

All I’ve said is that for an artist of his era, it is totally an exception to the rule that Elton is doing well on streaming with new music, regardless of how active he’s been. This is actually his first new music album since early 2016, and that album reached #6.

 

I appreciate that his movie has boosted his overall appeal and has clearly been cross-generational, but that was for his old music. That alone wouldn’t necessarily translate into big success with new music, regardless of the inclusion of younger collaborators, but he’s managed it - and that’s rare! I can’t think of any other artists his age who achieve the same streaming support. I mean there’s artists 20-30 years younger than him who couldn’t.

 

In my view it’s a situation of luck and good circumstances for Elton, it’s not a reward for hard work and activity because streaming platforms snub countless artists who work hard who were previously huge. Kylie’s one of the biggest female artists in UK chart history & streaming platforms are cold towards her. Perhaps Madonna working on a biopic is a sign that she wants what Elton has, because despite her releasing albums as regularly as Elton does, and she’s worked with young artists, she is most definitely a first week physical sales wonder, who hasn’t caught on properly on streaming.

 

Spice Girls could have been the most active girl group in the world for the past 3 years, and released new music, yet there’s every chance that streaming success would have been extremely hard to achieve. There’s zero guarantees. They could very well be the usual “first week sales are decent because of physicals but then they nosedive” act.

 

So I still maintain that Elton John doing very decent streaming sales in his second week of release, enough to overcome a physical onslaught from a first week Spice Girls reissue, is impressive & unusual.

 

Thats all fair game, though it seems that the latching on to more current artists has helped.

 

But that reminds me that yes, the girls would absolutely have an issue on streaming if they come back now all of a sudden unless they had a similar strategy of including more current artists or some duets.

 

But THAT would be a first for sure since they are yet to release a duet (apart from that live song on Stop b-side but I dont count that).

 

A shame though... They would probably end up on the ABBA route, which would be Top10 single but not #1, then a #1 album with probably roughly half or lower physical sales than the ABBA comeback....

 

HERE FOR IT THOUGH :wub:

Edited November 4, 20213 yr by Mr.X

It would be interesting to see some of their hits used in a collaborative way bit like how Elton has done it, most of their songs in my opinion could work but somehow i cant see it happening.

^^ We need Spice Girls feat. Adele!

 

 

Thursday's midweek info:

 

#4

7523 - Total

=

4469 Vinyls

1434 CDs

1180 Cassettes

271 Streaming

169 Downloads

 

1007 copies ahead of #5 Coldplay

1540 copies ahead of #6 War on Drugs

 

~

 

I ordered a second copy of Baby's vinyl on Amazon this evening (which has already dispatched, so hopefully that sale counts this week!), and also downloaded the original Spice album on Amazon... :drama:

 

Can't believe the 1st week is done. It wasn't perfect but I'll be happy with some lovely physicals and a top 5 placing.

First chart position #31 in Australia main album chart and #2 on the Australian vinyl album chart.

Thanks sammy!! Hope they do get a few other countries charts :wub:

 

The guy who was sharing sales info on Spice Circle mentioned yesterday that it was a toss between #5 or #6 today...

Let's see how that fares! Hope for a Top5

Hearing the Dolby Atmos versions of Spice tracks is such an interesting yet weird experience. They mostly sound like alternative versions, what with there being so many different elements in them that aren't recognisable from the versions we've known for 25 years :thinking: They're not necessarily better, they don't come across as improved to me... just different. Is this really how the songs were always meant to be heard if it wasn't for the restrictions of just having two channels for the stereo versions? So why would certain ad-libs be totally missing from the normal versions (i.e. "when I'm with ya honey" in Something Kinda Funny), surely that could have been included all along if they'd wanted to have it in there? Why is it only included in the Dolby Atmos version?

 

I'd love to know more from the producers, and anyone else who was involved in creating the Dolby Atmos versions!

 

Just listened to this this morning, I think the new version of Say You'll Be There is great (love the extra guitar oomph), 2 Become 1 is pretty good (if a touch too bassy), but Wannabe just felt a bit lacking in personality compared to the original, I think the girls' voices, personality and attitude is what really made this song, so to make the backing track more prominent than the vocals doesn't work that well for me. They sound a bit washed out under the production.

 

Tampering with established classics and nostalgia I guess is always going to be a fine art, sometimes it works and sometimes it just feels off. Very interesting to hear it though.

 

I bought the £30 CD of this in the end, great to see it heading for top five!