I'm sure BMG are happy they've got a silver album in the bag already, and they're also probably realistic about the climate we're in. Plus they would have made an absolute killing out of all those vinyls.

 

This!

 

And ‘Tension’ went silver quicker than P!nk and Lana - not that they really matters. Yes, P!nk’s album has been phenomenally successful… but no one is trying to say that ‘Tension’ is the biggest album of the year, just that the narrative that it is less successful than ‘Disco’ is based on inappropriate comparisons. And yes, BMG clearly understand the climate at least as well as, and almost certainly better than any of us.

 

im comparing Kylie with Ed as they were released a week apart. No point comparing with her with Pink and Lana who released ages ago. They are all bigger names than Kylie too internationally and bigger labels.

 

I don't cherry pick, you just see things that are not there.

 

having a top 10 single does not mean a multi million selling album. its not the 1980s

 

And this too!

 

How many female singers have had albums with better initial runs than Kylie this year? Potentially 6. Yes only 6. P!nk, Miley Cyrus, Lana Del Rey, Melanie Martinez, Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo. All at an advantage because they are American - and I assume more successful there than Kylie

Edited October 14, 20231 yr by GreyAsh

How them being American is an advantage in the UK? :unsure:

 

Also, Autumn Variations flopped, it's very clear, but it was also the second album by him in 6 months time and "acoustic" one without singles and attempts to have a pop radio hit. I don't think that particular album could be compared to Tension in any way. If you want to compare Kylie and Ed, you should compare - (Subtract) to Tension. The former spent 10 weeks in top 40.

Edited October 15, 20231 yr by Sour Candy

How them being American is an advantage in the UK? :unsure:

 

Also, Autumn Variations flopped, it's very clear, but it was also the second album by him in 6 months time and "acoustic" one without singles and attempts to have a pop radio hit. I don't think that particular album could be compared to Tension in any way. If you want to compare Kylie and Ed, you should compare - (Subtract) to Tension. The former spent 10 weeks in top 40.

 

I think we all agree with you that Autumn Variations ‘flopped’ - or at least it surprised us in comparatively how few copies it sold. To repeat - the comparison has only been made because a) it was released a week after Tension and b) it was a surprise because c) Ed is a massive star. We had just assumed that Kylie would stand no chance against an Ed release and would struggle against Drake too. In general when we do make these comparisons, it’s intended to come across as ‘I’m really surprised that…’

 

Secondly: these comparisons are only being made in passing as a snapshot of how Tension is doing. In general - from what I gather anyway - most of us here are just trying to get an idea of how Tension is doing so that we can see how it compares with other Kylie albums. There’s no need to tell us that some albums have done better this year - none of us thinks that Tension is the biggest seller of the year. I know it wasn’t you who mentioned the word ‘cherry picking’ but by selecting some of the year’s biggest sellers, that is just what you are doing.

 

And when Spotify is massively influenced by US listening habits - of course artists who are successful globally have an advantage in the UK. As a side note, I feel that US country music has had its biggest year in the UK for a long time - and that in itself says something. In the UK, British rap artists and dance artists do well, but when it comes to ‘pop’, if an artist has struggled to break the US, they are at a disadvantage here as well… which, in my opinion is part of the reason why Kylie and BMG are focusing on the US at present (and also as a result why Tension’s global streaming figures are healthier than her previous albums).

 

We are just proud that this far into Kylie‘s career, ‘Tension’ is one of less than 30 albums this year to spend its first 3 weeks in the top 40, and less than 20 of 2023’s releases to have gone silver. Needless to say there are albums this year that have done better than ‘Tension’ and albums that have done less well.

 

The question is - are you just in this forum to bring Kylie down? Or are you making these comments because you are disappointed that ‘Tension’ is not doing better? Or possibly because you don’t think the rest of us have this in perspective. I understand that some people are disappointed in Tension’s chart positions, but going full circle - one thing I’ve been trying to do is show that Tension is at least as successful as Disco - the chart climate for some reason has changed far more since Disco than it did between Golden and Disco.

I'm sure BMG are happy they've got a silver album in the bag already, and they're also probably realistic about the climate we're in. Plus they would have made an absolute killing out of all those vinyls.

 

Honestly this - BMG have the means to react if they were worried, the fact that both iTunes versions are still £9.99 and £11.99 when nearly every other album on the iTunes chart is £5.99, plus they haven’t budged on physical pricing I’m assuming means it’s performing as expected and they like her previous albums have a longer term plan.

It is strange how some are trying hard to push the view that the album isn't a success, like what do you get spreading false negativity?

How them being American is an advantage in the UK? :unsure:

 

Also, Autumn Variations flopped, it's very clear, but it was also the second album by him in 6 months time and "acoustic" one without singles and attempts to have a pop radio hit. I don't think that particular album could be compared to Tension in any way. If you want to compare Kylie and Ed, you should compare - (Subtract) to Tension. The former spent 10 weeks in top 40.

 

 

American artists usually have a huge advantage in every overseas country. Do you not know how USA Film and Music influences other terroritories

 

you really do talk about Padam Padam as this huge song? It was a Pride anthem for Gays that peaked at that time and got on some extra playlists. It was also unsual because it gave Kylie a top 10 in UK but don't make out its huge in terms of streaming of other songs like Ed et al.

 

Gosh

 

PS. i have played Tension Deluxe more times this weekend than i did on release week. Really solid album of bops. Today my favs are One More Time, Just Imagine and Hnads

Edited October 15, 20231 yr by SmileyKylie

It is strange how some are trying hard to push the view that the album isn't a success, like what do you get spreading false negativity?

 

It’s the Twitter/X toxic stan culture overspilling.

Well looks like she is back in the UK right now ............

 

Unless her pictures at Claridges are from before.

 

Or is she in town to watch Madonna...... or sing Tension/Hung Up Remix lol

 

 

i mean she wouldn't come back to the UK for nothing??......

 

Surprised she hasn't don't Strictly yet.... i know Beverly Knight is this weekends guest, how about next week?

 

Week of UK promo then back to Vegas for the 2 week lead up to her Residency opening. I mean he is only going to be performing for 1-1.5 hours at the residency. i doubt she needs much rehersals

 

Maybe she is just signing CDs, Cassettes and LPs lol

Edited October 15, 20231 yr by SmileyKylie

Well looks like she is back in the UK right now ............

 

Unless her pictures at Claridges are from before.

 

I think they ‘might’ be old pics - she seems to do it a lot (she was posting pictures of Paris when she was in Germany etc.,) :lol:

Yes to be honest its been bright blue skies in London all day and those photos dont show that

It is strange how some are trying hard to push the view that the album isn't a success, like what do you get spreading false negativity?

If Tension is not seen as successful then not many albums have had success this year.

I think the haters are disappointed it didn't actually flop and are bitter to see Kylie having a big hit.

If Tension is not seen as successful then not many albums have had success this year.

I think the haters are disappointed it didn't actually flop and are bitter to see Kylie having a big hit.

 

Agree my hun

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

Not related to Tension but the physical market - one of the biggest physical sellers in the US (Best Buy) have said they will stop selling Blu-Ray and 4k around a year after they stopped selling DVDs, they have also massively scaled down their music operation - just shows the acceleration to digital/streaming.

 

I guess for music and media the companies can still do the direct to customer sales but we’ll see even more severe chart runs.

 

https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/best-...zcwv2tx0S5MXBVE

^ That makes me really sad. I miss the 90s/00s.

^ That makes me really sad. I miss the 90s/00s.

 

This.

 

The UK will follow the US trend too. We’ve already seen supermarkets either remove or massively downgrade their physical options, hopefully labels start supporting HMV a bit more with some real exclusives as the last remaining chain.

 

Can we just appreciate how far Kylie has come on streaming this era, these are the Apple Music peaks for Tension vs DISCO era.

Edited October 16, 20231 yr by BREAKTHETENSION

I wonder if they are just waiting for PP to drop off the radar before they release something else.

I do think PP stopped Tension single streaming success a little ......

 

Also I think Kylie Las Vegas show maybe very short, ie an hour or 1.5 hours max l. I think the experience will be good but maybe fans may feel a little short changed. I hope they don't!

I'd say if anything Padam x2 helped it!

 

Obviously Spotify shafting it by not adding it to Hot Hits wasn't helpful, but I can't imagine it'd have got top 20 on Apple (or officially) in any other circumstance.

Yeah, I don't think it would have made a huge difference, but if it was on Hot Hits, I reckon we'd have had more of a 15-37-43-35-45-62...type chart run.