April 2, 20232 yr That was not a particularly brilliant result for Alpine… Tho I’d kill to be a fly on the wall in that post-race briefing
April 2, 20232 yr Author Australia Review: Best driver: Worst driver: Best team: Worst team: Best overtake: Worst overtake: Best moment: Worst moment: Best thing about the race: Worst thing about the race: And the race in a sentence
April 2, 20232 yr Author Was there any reason given for why Magnussen hit the barrier? Was it low sun?
April 2, 20232 yr Haas's protest over the result has been rejected. Today again just went to prove that the desire to end a race under green flags at any cost is both dangerous and potentially can destroy an innocent drivers hard work unfairly. Standing starts with cold tyres and minimal fuel loads are always going to be a high probability of chaos. Especially when you add in the pressure on drivers to make positional gains. There was no need for a red flag for Magnussen either. SC or VSC all the way that one Edited April 2, 20232 yr by Severin
April 2, 20232 yr Australia Review: Best driver: Perez Worst driver: Leclerc Best team: Aston Martin Worst team: Williams Best overtake: Norris on Tsunoda (I think, was very tired) Worst overtake: Sainz on Stroll Best moment: Was there one? Worst moment: The 2nd red flag was a travesty of a decision Best thing about the race: It's best forgotten Worst thing about the race: The love of red flags And the race in a sentence: F1 delivers it a day late
April 2, 20232 yr Actually I thought the Magnussen incident was more of a red flag. The Albon one was sketcher. A little bit of gravel vs carbon fibre everywhere and a tyre literally chilling in the road. I have a bit of sympathy for the FIA here (for once). Everyone moaned at the SC finish at Monza last season and even if it's more manufactured it's way more exciting to watch a standing restart. How good was Baku 21 for example?
April 2, 20232 yr Actually I thought the Magnussen incident was more of a red flag. The Albon one was sketcher. A little bit of gravel vs carbon fibre everywhere and a tyre literally chilling in the road. I have a bit of sympathy for the FIA here (for once). Everyone moaned at the SC finish at Monza last season and even if it's more manufactured it's way more exciting to watch a standing restart. How good was Baku 21 for example? Magnussen's debris was the kind they normally clear up easily under SC and they do it regulary. The only difference is this meant ending under SC which Liberty don't like but polls consistently suggest the fans prefer (https://www.racefans.net/2022/01/30/poll-should-world-championship-races-be-allowed-to-finish-under-safety-car/) by a decent majority. Additionally every driver I saw comment said it was unnecessary, even Norris who benefitted hugely, was highly critical of it. If it had to be red flagged for safety, then a rolling start is the sensible option to resume at that late a stage
April 3, 20232 yr I understand Albon as if I remember rightly if they need to check or fix a barrier they red flag for safety. But what’s the point in the Safety Car if stone cold safety car incidents are red flagged for fun. May as well just stop the race any time someone goes over track limits
April 3, 20232 yr Great race I get that the rules are the rules. If they had finished behind the safety car with lap 58 order though that would have given Hulkenberg that podium!
April 3, 20232 yr Magnussen's debris was the kind they normally clear up easily under SC and they do it regulary. The only difference is this meant ending under SC which Liberty don't like but polls consistently suggest the fans prefer (https://www.racefans.net/2022/01/30/poll-should-world-championship-races-be-allowed-to-finish-under-safety-car/) by a decent majority. Additionally every driver I saw comment said it was unnecessary, even Norris who benefitted hugely, was highly critical of it. If it had to be red flagged for safety, then a rolling start is the sensible option to resume at that late a stage The date of that poll suggests it was heavily swayed by the events of Abu Dhabi. If they did that same poll after Monza 22 I dare say it would have been very much the other way around. And iirc it was the team principals themselves that were pushing for ending under green flag conditions, not the fans. A rolling restart is an interesting idea and perhaps the "happy medium" to lessen the chance of chaos if they want to throw a red flag. Feel super gutted for Sainz. First and foremost the penalty itself was very harsh, the stewards are normally more lenient for lap 1/restart incidents and to me it looked pretty similar to the Stroll one on Leclerc which got no penalty. And although the penalty was minor, because of the way the race ended it was effectively a disqualification. And to rub it in, Alonso got back his third place anyway. I know they always insist that the outcome has no bearing on the penalty awarded, but we all know that's total BS. Edited April 3, 20232 yr by Dobbo.
April 3, 20232 yr The date of that poll suggests it was heavily swayed by the events of Abu Dhabi. If they did that same poll after Monza 22 I dare say it would have been very much the other way around. They did and the result was much the same - https://www.racefans.net/2022/09/11/should-...the-safety-car/ - still a majority for finishing under safety car
April 3, 20232 yr Best driver: Hulkenberg [very impressive drive and outperformed K-Mag all weekend] Worst driver: Sargeant [him punting De Vries was the worst mistake of all of them] Best team: Red Bull Worst team: Alpha Tauri [they had the least pace of any car] Best overtake: Sainz on Gasly Worst overtake: Verstappen on Hamilton [if we only count "proper" overtakes, this was laughably easy!] Best moment: The 3rd start chaos Worst moment: Russell's retirement Best thing about the race: Loads of talking points during this month's break Worst thing about the race: Middle bit was pretty uneventful And the race in a sentence: Carnage & chaos reigns supreme down under, the winners were those who avoided any blunder
April 3, 20232 yr Author Best driver: Nico Hulkenberg Worst driver: Logan Sargeant Best team: Red Bull Worst team: Alpha Tauri Best overtake: Perez on Magnussen Worst overtake: Sainz's punt on Alonso Best moment: The 3rd start chaos Worst moment: What happened afterwards Best thing about the race: Russell taking the lead at the first start. Worst thing about the race: The second and third red flags. And the race in a sentence: When F1 turned into NASCAR with red flags and Chaos arrived Down Under
April 5, 20232 yr Felipe Massa is looking in to legal action to overturn the result of the 2008 World Championship. The issue revolves around the result of the Singapore GP - aka Crashgate. Alonso won the race but largely because teammate Nelson Piquet jr deliberately crashed causing a safety car. FIA rules stated that race manipulation like this should therefore nullify the result - ultimately meaning Massa would have ended up as champion that year. FIA rules also stated that no protest around the result could be registered after the end of season gala where the trophy was presented, meaning that by the time Massa land everybody else earned of this it was too late to do anything. The key factor here though is that both Ecclestone, Mosley and others knew of the details long before this season ended, yet stayed silent, so as not to tarnish the sport's reputation. Massa has a point and has cited the overtunroing of Lance Armstrong's titles as precedent. Additionally, by the letter of the law this result should have been discounted, which would likely have made him champion assuming nothing else changed drastically (itself open for debate). The problem is this is now so long ago most people no longer care and the ramifications of overturning it would be huge and extend beyond a title in to finances and sporting records, especially for Massa and Hamilton, McLaren and Ferrari. I'd be amazed if anything comes of this but at least it serves to remind people that Massa was illegally denied a title that probably would have been his, and that he was by most opinions the most deserving champion that year
April 5, 20232 yr The funniest thing I've read all week. Even if in fantasy land that race result was cancelled, then you'd have to assume all the races afterwards would have ended the same way which just wouldn't be the case. If the points totals were different you can be certain him & Lewis would have driven differently. He should be blaming his team for the almighty pit stop disaster in that race.
April 5, 20232 yr As a Renault fan Ive always been a bit wary of Singapore and extremely skeptical of Piquet Jr’s role, morals, ethics and intentions in the whole affair - also moderately irritated that he escaped punishment. I think that Massa has every right to feel hard done by here. That is a deliberate concealment of facts by the FIA and rights holder that had negative financial ramifications for Ferrari. I wonder if Ferrari will join him in seeking recourse from the rights holder over the corresponding financial payout that this would have resulted in. Timo Glock can sleep a little easier now, he’s not the only reason Massa was unfairly robbed of his world title (and I can’t at the Hamilton fanboys foaming at the mouth already about Abu Dhabi. The two aren’t comparable in any way. One was cheating that should have resulted in an annulled race result in season but didn’t because of a deliberate concealment by the FIA and rights holder. The other is that you’re upset because you and the race director interpreted the vague rules in a different way)
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