Always find it bizarre that whenever Taylor announces an album of re-recordings as she couldn’t get her masters back her fanbase go into overdrive and stream the original and give those she’s ‘fighting’ against a huge income boost

Although I see your point, it's the only way to listen to those songs on streaming platforms! And if Taylor was trying to avoid this, she wouldn't be doing a whole tour of the eras before all of the re-recordings had dropped. So long as we switch once they're out, I think it's all good.

 

Yes thats kinda impossible to avoid that from happening

 

Crazy how Taylor announcing another re-recording has had a bigger effect and impact than Ed releasing a new album

Crazy how Taylor announcing another re-recording has had a bigger effect and impact than Ed releasing a new album

There's 1 singular Speak Now song in the Top 200 on Spotify and Apple, at #64 on the former and #173 on the latter lol

Let's be honest Ed Sheeran could cure cancer and this forums usual lot would still hate him.

 

He makes catchy songs and promotes them he is desperate for chart success and you hate him. He makes a more personal album, promotes it less and isn't looking for chart success and he is a flop and you hate him.

 

Why not just have the usual poster post 'I hate Ed Sheeran and I'm biased against him' once a month and stop the normal BS of trying to dress it up as anything else.

Yep he's decreasing in popularity but that happens to literally every artist out there. I can't think of anyone who would have sustained the level of success he has enjoyed at his peak past this many albums. It's akin to Robbie Williams, Michael Jackson or Oasis - all HUGE acts but they could only sustain phenomenal sales for so long before they dropped off.

 

Despite him being successful with his last album, he was on the decline then from his untouchable days so I think it's logical that it's continuing now.

 

Ok but Invincible was definitely considered a flop though, Michael’s capable of flopping, Ed’s capable of flopping, I don’t understand this Ed Sheeran Buzzjack defence squad

Let's be honest Ed Sheeran could cure cancer and this forums usual lot would still hate him.

 

He makes catchy songs and promotes them he is desperate for chart success and you hate him. He makes a more personal album, promotes it less and isn't looking for chart success and he is a flop and you hate him.

 

Why not just have the usual poster post 'I hate Ed Sheeran and I'm biased against him' once a month and stop the normal BS of trying to dress it up as anything else.

 

Where did anybody say that they hate him? I’m just acknowledging his rapid decline and how surprising it is. Also Ed hasn’t always exactly been a pop star, + is also a very acoustic-y album (not comparing them as I haven’t listened to either in full), so it seems like fan excuse bingo to say it’s just not a streaming friendly album. First day figures are frankly awful for an artist of Ed’s stature, if Adele posted similar numbers with 30 this forum would have been in chaos

Ok but Invincible was definitely considered a flop though, Michael’s capable of flopping, Ed’s capable of flopping, I don’t understand this Ed Sheeran Buzzjack defence squad

 

Any other artist looking at 3 top 20s (on first look so probably drop ) would definitely not be considered a flop, personally I don't understand the buzzjack hate Ed squad :lol:

 

 

Some people here were calling Adele’s debut “underwhelming” when she had the entire Spotify top 12

I certainly don't hate Ed, nut sure I think he writes some of the worst song lyrics in the history of music, that's what I don't like about him

But it seems in here there are more defenders than anything, and people in here now we can now even point out that someone is bad at writing lyrics

Some people here were calling Adele’s debut “underwhelming” when she had the entire Spotify top 12

Lol position don't matter, is number of streams that matter, so her streams were yes very underwhelming

They were only underwhelming against your own expectations though, and presumably based upon Ed Sheeran managing to do really well at his peak as I can’t see where else the comparison would be from? And it’s not totally about number of streams, it’s about how you do compared to the market of the time imo.

 

From a neutral point of view, it is a touch silly to call a top 12 lock out underwhelming.

Last Brightside could had really worst ladbaby had album call now that what call sausage rolls

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Last Brightside could had really worst ladbaby had album call now that what call sausage rolls

 

Mr Brightside will be used by Ladbaby this December and that and Mr Brightside will be top 2, can’t wait to see your face Everton!

Might be premature with this but even if he only does 50k overall sales he would have the biggest opening album sales of the year so far so if you compare to the market he'd still be doing well

Ok but Invincible was definitely considered a flop though, Michael’s capable of flopping, Ed’s capable of flopping, I don’t understand this Ed Sheeran Buzzjack defence squad

Yes but Invincible didn’t even perform well against the typical sales of its time. I don’t know how well/badly Ed will sell but there’s still a very strong chance that he’ll end up with one of, if not the, best selling albums of the year. That simply isn’t the definition of a flop! I’ll change my mind and agree with you if he only sells 15K and goes 1-OUT or something but that feels highly unlikely to happen.

 

And I’m no fan of Ed’s music. I haven’t bought anything of his since his debut.

Yes but Invincible didn’t even perform well against the typical sales of its time. I don’t know how well/badly Ed will sell but there’s still a very strong chance that he’ll end up with one of, if not the, best selling albums of the year. That simply isn’t the definition of a flop! I’ll change my mind and agree with you if he only sells 15K and goes 1-OUT or something but that feels highly unlikely to happen.

 

And I’m no fan of Ed’s music. I haven’t bought anything of his since his debut.

 

You have to look at the worldwide performance too though. IIRC only 2 songs from - charted in the US Spotify 200, he has no chance of going #1 there now, I don’t suspect he’ll hang around the Billboard 200 for very long either. Ed’s being greatly outperformed by his streaming era peers Taylor Swift, Beyoncé, Harry Styles, SZA etc. - it’s just very surprising to me.

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Yes but Invincible didn’t even perform well against the typical sales of its time. I don’t know how well/badly Ed will sell but there’s still a very strong chance that he’ll end up with one of, if not the, best selling albums of the year. That simply isn’t the definition of a flop! I’ll change my mind and agree with you if he only sells 15K and goes 1-OUT or something but that feels highly unlikely to happen.

 

And I’m no fan of Ed’s music. I haven’t bought anything of his since his debut.

Surely there is a middle ground between being a re-release of The Courtneneers and the biggest streaming star in the world. :P I think '-' will have great couple of weeks but then the album will quickly drop below '='.

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Oh I fully expect - to be behind = and even Divide before too long, but I'd say that'd simply be more of an indicator of not having as many streaming hits on it (with just one single so far). You need three for it to have any real album chart impact when the top two songs are downweighted. A good sales chart run can only mitigate that for so long when album sales are so poor outside week 1 (though you'd anticipate Ed being able to secure more casual purchases than most other artists).

 

As for - being a flop, I think it's important to remember the difference between flop and underperformance. It's clearly not a flop as most other artists would love the impact this album's had, but by Ed's standards, it's an underperformance. Context is everything, though, particularly when it's not really a commercial-sounding album (and, as I said before, the fact Ed's been so omnipresent since = came out that nobody's had time to crave new Ed yet, so the demand isn't really there).

As for - being a flop, I think it's important to remember the difference between flop and underperformance. It's clearly not a flop as most other artists would love the impact this album's had, but by Ed's standards, it's an underperformance. Context is everything, though, particularly when it's not really a commercial-sounding album (and, as I said before, the fact Ed's been so omnipresent since = came out that nobody's had time to crave new Ed yet, so the demand isn't really there).

 

That’s fair enough but that’s not an issue for Taylor Swift who’s literally about to release her 6th album in under 3 years :P And it may be less commercial but he’s still had a massive push, #1 on all the big playlists, and he’s still not making much of an impact.

 

And I’m just basing it off what’s historically been considered a flop - Glitter, Britney Jean, MDNA, Bionic etc. By Buzzjack’s definition none of them should be considered flops (which I would welcome :P)

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Also hasn't it only been 5 weeks since announcement and release wasn't we had long tuns at number 1 for both bad habits and Shivers before =