In 2023 it is definitely the closest comparison to Believe which was a simpler time in the chart - 25 years ago!

Why was it a "simpler" time? :thinking: :???:

A sale was a sale, for one

Believe was a smash hit right out of the gate, spending 7 weeks at #1 and becoming the best selling single by a female EVER.

 

What's more, its success wasn't limited to the UK only. It was a worldwide mega hit pretty much in every corner of the world. It even managed to cross over to the USA - the toughest market in the world.

 

Shazam Shazam still has a long way to go to even reach a 1/10 of Believe's success.

 

Hun

 

This is a uk charts forum so we are discussing its relevance in the UK

 

Secondly, we are not saying "it is the exact same sales wise etc etc as Chers believe" we are using it in terms of Cher was still getting hits but as an older artist her hits were not as big then she came back with a banger hun that put her firmly back on the map.

 

Like Kylie, her albums still go to number 1 but she has struggled with singles being a mature woman hun

 

But padam padam has put her firmly back on the map.

 

We arw not talking about padam padam literally emulating believe, thats why it is called a believe "moment", hopefully that explains it a bit more for you hun.

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

A sale was a sale, for one

Buying a CD single was more expensive than streaming or downloading a song, and that's before even taking inflation into account. Secondly, back then you couldn't influence the chart from the comfort of your sofa.

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Why was it a "simpler" time? :thinking: :???:

 

It was simply you went to a shop and bought one of three items, CD1, CD2 or a cassette and on the Sunday it would be revealed how many of those were sold and a position was given.

 

- if it was Kylie would've been #1 for the last three weeks!

Kylie being #1 on sales only chart in the world we live in =/= Kylie being #1 in a world where streaming and downloads were never a thing

Kylie being #1 on sales only chart in the world we live in =/= Kylie being #1 in a world where streaming and downloads were never a thing

 

Did you read the whole conversation. It's a comparison with Cher's Believe being #1 back in the day.

Buying a CD single was more expensive than streaming or downloading a song, and that's before even taking inflation into account. Secondly, back then you couldn't influence the chart from the comfort of your sofa.

 

You are talking absolute codswallop here and you know it. In the 90s it was way easier for an older artist to break into the charts. Not that Cher's achievement wasn't monumental, but radio were more receptive towards playlisting and supporting an older artist compared to the climate we're in now where it's almost impossible to get that level of support (just look at the Radio 1 playlists back then for example).

 

An artist like Kylie looking at an actual top 10 single (at least, who knows how far it can still go?) in the streaming era where they'd struggle to get any commercial radio play or support from streaming services IS unprecedented and you can't tell me anyone would have thought this possible weeks ago. I think the way it's blowing up is an entirely fair comparison, except Kylie had much greater odds stacked against her that she's overcoming.

In the 90s it was way easier for an older artist to break into the charts. Not that Cher's achievement wasn't monumental, but radio were more receptive towards playlisting and supporting an older artist compared to the climate we're in now where it's almost impossible to get that level of support (just look at the Radio 1 playlists back then for example).

No, it really "wasn't easier for older artists in the 90's". Cher was the exception. Radio 1 and MTV didn't touch old female artists. They weren't seen as "cool"

 

just look at the Radio 1 playlists back then for example

Which old female artists were playlisted by MTV & Radio 1? Can you provide examples?

 

except Kylie had much greater odds stacked against her that she's overcoming.

I'm afraid your personal bias is talking here. You are basically claiming that Kylie's feat is more impressive than Cher's. :drama:

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:zzz:

 

Cher done well with ‘Believe’ 25 years ago and Kylie is doing well with ‘Padam, Padam’ now - both against the odds, both huge achievements, both ‘older’ women who achieved success that should be celebrated.

You are talking absolute codswallop here and you know it. In the 90s it was way easier for an older artist to break into the charts. Not that Cher's achievement wasn't monumental, but radio were more receptive towards playlisting and supporting an older artist compared to the climate we're in now where it's almost impossible to get that level of support (just look at the Radio 1 playlists back then for example).

 

An artist like Kylie looking at an actual top 10 single (at least, who knows how far it can still go?) in the streaming era where they'd struggle to get any commercial radio play or support from streaming services IS unprecedented and you can't tell me anyone would have thought this possible weeks ago. I think the way it's blowing up is an entirely fair comparison, except Kylie had much greater odds stacked against her that she's overcoming.

 

Agree hun

 

The odds these days are so much more against older artists than they were back then

 

These days even a good song wont chart with just radio support, it needs massive streaming support to really break through

 

The early success of padam padam forced capital and spotify to give her more playlist support. Capital did jump on padam early as they saw it was becoming viral.

 

Spotify joined in and as the weeks progress, spotify seem to be supportinf more and more with more playlists and being moved higher up hot hits for example (after weeks of being moved down it even though it was doing really well.)

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

:zzz:

 

Cher done well with ‘Believe’ 25 years ago and Kylie is doing well with ‘Padam, Padam’ now - both against the odds, both huge achievements, both ‘older’ women who achieved success that should be celebrated.

 

Exactly hun

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

Well we still had Diana Ross, Tina Turner and Aretha Franklin (then all in their 40s and 50s), just to name a few, getting top 10 hits in the 90s. It was a very different time and it was “easier” as older artists were simply actually represented on the charts!

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Oh lord what have I started x

 

There is a reason I said closest to 'Believe', not saying it is or is likely to be exactly as big as that, just that there aren't really any better examples of a similar type of thing happening in the streaming era. Elton John was probably the previous closest but his hits being collabs with big contemporary artists does dilute that a bit, not that it's not still notable.

Well we still had Diana Ross, Tina Turner and Aretha Franklin (then all in their 40s and 50s), just to name a few, getting top 10 hits in the 90s. It was a very different time.

A single that spent one or two weeks in the Top 10 isn't on the same level of a bonafide smash like Believe.

A single that spent one or two weeks in the Top 10 isn't on the same level of a bonafide smash like Believe.

 

It is not a literal translation hun, no one is saying it will be believe part 2 in terms of sales. It is a comparison on where the artists were in their career and then they both had a big smash that was unexpected for them to achieve in their eras both being mature women.

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

A single that spent one or two weeks in the Top 10 isn't on the same level of a bonafide smash like Believe.

 

We also had Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Mariah and many others getting hit after hit after hit in the late 90s/early 00s when they were all pushing on 40 or older than that.

 

Anyway, seeing how it is becoming very likely that Kylie does get a Top 10 single with Padam, what is the last time we had a 50+ female reach the UK Top 10 with a new song? I must be forgetting someone but the last one that really comes to mind is Madonna with Celebration in 2009 when she was 51.

A single that spent one or two weeks in the Top 10 isn't on the same level of a bonafide smash like Believe.

 

Where did I say they were anywhere near as big as Believe? Of course they weren’t but do you think Believe would have been in a position to be such a big hit if there wasn’t already a precedent for older female artists to do well in the charts? There’s nothing like that nowadays, that’s why Padam Padam is so exciting even if it only just peaks at #10.

Believe became a signature song (or one of them) for Cher - it was a gigantic smash and she sold albums, tours and even subsequent singles based on that one song alone.

 

It wasn't "easy" for Cher to get that hit, because it is not "easy" to get that type of hit even if you are Taylor Swift in 2023.

 

We also had Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Mariah and many others getting hit after hit after hit in the late 90s/early 00s when they were all pushing on 40 or older than that.

 

Anyway, seeing how it is becoming very likely that Kylie does get a Top 10 single with Padam, what is the last time we had a 50+ female reach the UK Top 10 with a new song? I must be forgetting someone but the last one that really comes to mind is Madonna with Celebration in 2009 when she was 51.

 

Thats a good question hun

 

I would love to know this as well

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️