Thats a good question hun

 

I would love to know this as well

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

 

 

Diana Ross hit no 2 in 2005 with westlife. She would have been 62 then.

We also had Madonna, Whitney, Shania, Celine, Mariah and many others getting hit after hit after hit in the late 90s/early 00s when they were all pushing on 40 or older than that.

 

Hmmm... No.

 

Except Madonna none of them was "pushing 40". :manson:

 

In 1998 Mariah Carey was 29. Shania Twain was 33. Whitney Houston was 35. Celine Dion was 30.

 

Compare that with Cher being 52 years old.

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Mariah’s Touch My Body peaked at #5 when she was 39. Whitney had a top 10 hit with Million Dollar Bill in 2009 at 46. Shania debuting in her mid-30s and being so successful was a rarity!

Spotify Chart Update (14/06)

 

01 01 Dave, Central Cee – Sprinter 925,918

02 02 J Hus, Drake – Who Told You (feat. Drake) 623,021

03 03 Jazzy – Giving Me 312,796

04 04 Calvin Harris, Ellie Goulding – Miracle (with Ellie Goulding) 289,900

05 08 Harry Styles – As It Was 270,939

06 05 Dave, Central Cee – UK Rap 265,426

07 07 David Kushner – Daylight 245,748

08 06 Dave, Central Cee – Trojan Horse 236,799

09 09 Hannah Laing, RoRo – Good Love 236,223

10 10 Rudimental, Charlotte Plank, Vibe Chemistry – Dancing is Healing 230,319

 

11 11 Switch Disco, Ella Henderson, Robert Miles – REACT 213,786

12 12 Miley Cyrus – Flowers 203,982

13 13 Jorja Smith – Little Things 190,804

14 15 Dua Lipa – Dance The Night (From Barbie The Album) 186,373

15 18 Loreen – Tattoo 181,227

16 14 Libianca – People 179,430

17 16 SZA – Kill Bill 176,591

18 17 PinkPantheress, Ice Spice – Boy's a Liar Pt. 2 175,424

19 22 Harry Styles – Satellite 173,542

20 23 Harry Styles – Late Night Talking 172,824

 

21 19 Lil Durk, J. Cole – All My Life (feat. J. Cole) 170,367

22 21 Rema, Selena Gomez – Calm Down (with Selena Gomez) 164,106

23 20 Taylor Swift – Anti-Hero 160,685

24 25 Kylie Minogue – Padam Padam 155,205 [*PEAK*]

25 24 The Weeknd, Playboi Carti, Madonna – Popular (with Playboi Carti & Madonna) - The Idol Vol. 1 (Music from the HBO Original Series) 153,988

26 28 OneRepublic – I Ain't Worried 149,329

27 27 Taylor Swift – Cruel Summer 145,348

28 31 Bakar – Hell N Back 143,149

29 26 Tyler, The Creator, Kali Uchis – See You Again (feat. Kali Uchis) 142,958

30 32 Arctic Monkeys – Why'd You Only Call Me When You're High? 142,656

 

31 29 RAYE, 070 Shake – Escapism. 141,439

32 43 Harry Styles – Watermelon Sugar 140,946

33 34 Kali – Area Codes 139,786 [*PEAK*]

34 36 Arctic Monkeys – 505 139,731

35 30 LF SYSTEM – Afraid To Feel 137,973

36 33 The Killers – Mr. Brightside 137,778

37 35 David Guetta, Anne-Marie, Coi Leray – Baby Don't Hurt Me 137,598

38 44 Jonas Brothers – Waffle House 136,597 [*PEAK*]

39 37 David Guetta, Bebe Rexha – I'm Good (Blue) 135,954

40 40 Fleetwood Mac – Everywhere - 2017 Remaster 135,730

 

42 38 Post Malone – Chemical 131,766

44 46 Florence + The Machine – Dog Days Are Over 130,325

45 55 Nathan Dawe, Joel Corry, Ella Henderson – 0800 HEAVEN 129,923 [*PEAK*]

49 39 FIFTY FIFTY – Cupid - Twin Ver. 128,092

50 69 Lana Del Rey – Say Yes To Heaven 127,964

53 53 Byron Messia – Talibans 125,946

54 52 ANOTR, Abel Balder – Relax My Eyes 125,642

64 60 Lewis Capaldi – Wish You The Best 116,077

66 57 Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky, Roisee – Am I Dreaming (Metro Boomin & A$AP Rocky, Roisee) 113,591

67 64 Burna Boy – Sittin' On Top Of The World 113,172

70 74 Bou, Slay – Closer 112,176 [*PEAK*]

73 54 Noah Kahan – Dial Drunk 110,899

74 89 Anne-Marie, Shania Twain – UNHEALTHY (feat. Shania Twain) 109,869

82 72 Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, NAV, A Boogie Wit da Hoodie – Calling (Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse) (Metro Boomin & Swae Lee, NAV, feat. A Boogie Wit da Hoodie) 104,681

83 81 Dominic Fike – Mona Lisa (Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse) 103,513

86 84 Matt Sassari – Give It To Me - Full Vocal Mix 102,555

94 93 Morgan Wallen – Last Night 98,740

96 96 Luude, Bru-C, Kevin Lyttle – TMO (Turn Me On) [feat. Kevin Lyttle] 97,520

98 85 Metro Boomin, Swae Lee, Lil Wayne, Offset – Annihilate (Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse) (Metro Boomin & Swae Lee, Lil Wayne, Offset) 97,117

99 83 J Hus – It's Crazy 96,970

 

102 103 Jax Jones, Calum Scott – Whistle (feat. Calum Scott) 95,653

114 113 Ayra Starr – Rush 92,449

116 122 Becky Hill, Lewis Thompson – Side Effects 89,653

124 118 TECH IT DEEP – Maria Maria 87,335

127 123 Taylor Swift – Karma 85,077

130 128 Niall Horan – Heaven 84,161

131 121 Beyoncé, Kendrick Lamar – AMERICA HAS A PROBLEM (feat. Kendrick Lamar) 84,138

139 164 D.O.D – So Much In Love 82,619 [*PEAK*]

143 167 Tom Grennan – How Does It Feel 82,380 [*PEAK*]

172 169 Kali Uchis – Moonlight 74,968

173 179 Joel Corry, Caity Baser – Dance Around It 74,904

180 180 Zara Larsson – Can't Tame Her 73,305

196 RE Davido, Musa Keys – UNAVAILABLE (feat. Musa Keys) 70,449

Queen Diana Ross getting to #9 in 1999 with ‘Not Over You Yet’ and #2 with ‘When You Tell Me That You Love Me’ in 2005 with Westlife at 61 years old.

 

But I’m not sure what any relevance who did/didn’t have hits at whatever age - just Kylie being battered down for a 2023 achievement.

 

Anyone that has achieved it should be celebrated.

Diana Ross hit no 2 in 2005 with westlife. She would have been 62 then.

 

Thanks hun

 

I dont suppose you know the last solo song by a female over the age of 50?

 

Thanks hun

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

It would definitely have been Celebration.

 

Kylie rising again! :w00t:

Apple Music Chart Update (14-15/06)

 

01 01 Dave & Central Cee - Sprinter

02 02 J Hus - Who Told You (feat. Drake)

03 03 Calvin Harris & Ellie Goulding - Miracle

04 04 Rudimental, Charlotte Plank & Vibe Chemistry - Dancing is Healing

05 05 Hannah Laing & RoRo - Good Love

06 06 Jazzy - Giving Me

07 07 Switch Disco & Ella Henderson - REACT

08 08 Lil Durk - All My Life (feat. J. Cole)

09 10 Kylie Minogue - Padam Padam

10 09 Loreen - Tattoo

 

11 11 Dave & Central Cee - Trojan Horse

12 12 Rema & Selena Gomez - Calm Down

13 14 Harry Styles - As It Was

14 13 Miley Cyrus - Flowers

15 15 Nathan Dawe, Joel Corry & Ella Henderson - 0800 HEAVEN

16 17 Byron Messia - Talibans

17 18 Becky Hill & Lewis Thompson - Side Effects

18 16 Dave & Central Cee - UK Rap

19 19 David Guetta, Anne-Marie & Coi Leray - Baby Don't Hurt Me

20 20 Anne-Marie - UNHEALTHY (feat. Shania Twain)

 

21 21 Burna Boy - Sittin' On Top Of The World

22 23 Luude & Bru-C - TMO (Turn Me On) [feat. Kevin Lyttle]

23 22 Jorja Smith - Little Things

24 24 Ed Sheeran - Eyes Closed

25 25 Tom Grennan - How Does It Feel

26 26 Post Malone - Chemical

27 27 Jonas Brothers - Waffle House

28 30 Dua Lipa - Dance The Night

29 29 Lewis Capaldi - Wish You The Best

30 32 Taylor Swift - Anti-Hero

 

31 31 Jax Jones & Calum Scott - Whistle

32 28 Dave & Central Cee - Our 25th Birthday

33 35 Harry Styles - Watermelon Sugar

34 34 LF SYSTEM - Afraid To Feel

35 33 David Kushner - Daylight

36 36 Harry Styles - Satellite

37 47 Harry Styles - Late Night Talking

38 38 Ayra Starr - Rush

39 39 venbee & goddard. - messy in heaven

40 37 RAYE & 070 Shake - Escapism.

 

51 51 Joel Corry & Caity Baser - Dance Around It

55 55 Morgan Wallen - Last Night

56 56 Davido - UNAVAILABLE (feat. Musa Keys)

57 62 D.O.D - So Much in Love

64 61 Zara Larsson - Can't Tame Her

69 70 TECH IT DEEP - Maria Maria

70 67 Niall Horan - Heaven

72 73 Sigala, Mae Muller & Caity Baser - Feels This Good (feat. Stefflon Don)

73 NE The Weeknd, Playboi Carti & Madonna - Popular (The Idol Vol. 1 (Music from the HBO Original Series))

79 82 Matt Sassari - Give It to Me (Full Vocal Mix)

80 76 Lewis Capaldi - Haven't You Ever Been In Love Before?

87 79 Sam Smith & Madonna - VULGAR

91 86 Taylor Swift - Karma

92 78 J Hus - It's Crazy

 

103 100 FIFTY FIFTY - Cupid (Twin Ver.)

108 103 Kali - Area Codes

112 110 Asake & Olamide - Amapiano

115 113 Bou - Closer (feat. Slay)

120 118 Lana Del Rey - Say Yes To Heaven

123 124 Bakar - Hell N Back

128 127 Nines - Tony Soprano 2

135 139 OneRepublic - RUNAWAY

141 145 Rema - Charm

152 149 Victony, Rema & Tempoe - Soweto (feat. Don Toliver)

153 147 Gunna - bread & butter

154 143 Kim Petras - Alone (feat. Nicki Minaj)

155 148 Gorgon City - Voodoo

165 152 Beyoncé - HEATED

171 157 Cat Burns - live more & love more

179 179 ANOTR & Abel Balder - Relax My Eyes

180 184 Luke Combs - Fast Car

182 168 Metro Boomin, A$AP Rocky & Roisee - Am I Dreaming

198 169 Fredo - Everybody Knows

Queen Diana Ross getting to #9 in 1999 with ‘Not Over You Yet’ and #2 with ‘When You Tell Me That You Love Me’ in 2005 with Westlife at 61 years old.

 

But I’m not sure what any relevance who did/didn’t have hits at whatever age - just Kylie being battered down for a 2023 achievement.

 

Anyone that has achieved it should be celebrated.

 

Well said hun

 

Not sure why people are trying to discredit Kylies amazing achievement. A mature woman over the age of 50 getting a top 10 hit... last time it seems that may have happened was in 2005. What does that tell you? Sexism and ageism is an issue in the music industry.

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

Mariah’s Touch My Body peaked at #5 when she was 39. Whitney had a top 10 hit with Million Dollar Bill in 2009 at 46. Shania debuting in her mid-30s and being so successful was a rarity!

 

So it's quite possible that since 2009 (Madonna with Celebration at 51, Whitney with MDB at 46) we've not only not had a new Top 10 single from a 50+ female singer, but even from a 45+ one.

So it's quite possible that since 2009 (Madonna with Celebration at 51, Whitney with MDB at 46) we've not only not had a new Top 10 single from a 50+ female singer, but even from a 45+ one.

 

What an achievement this will be for not only Kylie hun but mature women

 

It is a disgrace how the music industry treats mature women. An absolute disgrace.

 

Just Carol Honey ❤️

Queen Diana Ross getting to #9 in 1999 with ‘Not Over You Yet’ and #2 with ‘When You Tell Me That You Love Me’ in 2005 with Westlife at 61 years old.

 

But I’m not sure what any relevance who did/didn’t have hits at whatever age - just Kylie being battered down for a 2023 achievement.

 

Anyone that has achieved it should be celebrated.

 

Tina Turner also got a #10 hit with When the Heartache is Over in 1999 when she was 60! Let’s hope Padam Padam has a similar effect for older female artists nowadays as Believe did back then

Good climb in streams for Kylie there, even if only one place. The Friday party playlists should help again too later in the week.

Believe became a signature song (or one of them) for Cher - it was a gigantic smash and she sold albums, tours and even subsequent singles based on that one song alone.

 

It wasn't "easy" for Cher to get that hit, because it is not "easy" to get that type of hit even if you are Taylor Swift in 2023.

 

You don't always have to take everything so literally. I said it was easier for an act of Cher's type to achieve that in the 90s because it was due to the ground being more fertile than it is in the current era. That's all.

 

I wouldn't even be needing to wade into the discussion if it wasn't for the serial hot taker piping up.

 

Spotify:

 

 

New Peak:

 

24. Kylie Minogue- Padam Padam

33. Kali- Area Codes

38. Jonas Brothers- Waffle House

45. Nathan Dawe, Joel Corry, Ella Henderson- 0800 HEAVEN

70. Bou, Slay- Closer

139. D.O.D- So Much In Love

143. Tom Grennan- How Does It Feel

 

 

Re-Entries:

 

155. Harry Styles- Little Freak

191. Lizzo- About Damn Time

195. Bryan Adams- Summer of '69

196. Davido, Musa Keys- UNAVAILABLE

200. Journey- Don't Stop Believin'

You don't always have to take everything so literally. I said it was easier for an act of Cher's type to achieve that in the 90s because it was due to the ground being more fertile than it is in the current era. That's all.

 

No. It certainly wasn't easier. You are still discrediting & downplaying Cher's colossal achievement.

 

By the way, where are the examples of female artists over 50 that were playlisted by Radio 1 (and MTV) in the 90's? Have you not found them?

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by Voodoo

You are talking absolute codswallop here and you know it. In the 90s it was way easier for an older artist to break into the charts. Not that Cher's achievement wasn't monumental, but radio were more receptive towards playlisting and supporting an older artist compared to the climate we're in now where it's almost impossible to get that level of support (just look at the Radio 1 playlists back then for example).

 

Exactly - in the same time frame you had Diana Ross (55) scoring a #9 single with Not Over You Yet and Tina Turner (60) scoring a #10 single; mind you, neither had impressive chart runs, but it could be done in the days when week one meant more. Padam Padam is an outlier today in the sense that it's clearly a crossover hit that's reached beyond her usual audience, and yes, the same situation with Cher's Believe.

 

It's also weird to compare the chart runs to a time when you had weeks of building up to the single release too and the most pirating people did was recording it off the radio to a cassette.

Exactly - in the same time frame you had Diana Ross (55) scoring a #9 single with Not Over You Yet and Tina Turner (60) scoring a #10 single;

Both of those singles were released *after* Believe's massive success astonished the music industry. There was an influx of "old" singers that tried to emulate Cher's success. They tried to replicate her new sound. Tina's and Diana's record labels even recruited Believe's producers. Even Kylie used them for her comeback album.

 

Everyone wanted to make a comeback like Cher. I doubt Kylie would have gotten her Parlophone deal if it wasn't for Cher's success.

Edited June 15, 20232 yr by Voodoo

And before Believe you had Aretha’s ‘A Deeper Love’ peaking at #5 in 1994 when she was 52. Tina and Diana were scoring top 20 hits consistently in the 90s, it’s not like nowadays where there’s just a total absence of older women on the charts

No one was putting down Cher's success with Believe, we were just saying in 2023 Kylie having this moment is the closest comparison.