Kamala's done an interview by the way, I'm sure everyone who was criticising her about having not done one is rushing to watch and draw conclusions from it now she's out there. But they're probably going to pivot and complain that it wasn't live or some shit.

 

Seems milquetoast and uneventful to be perfectly honest, she'll put a Republican in cabinet (very likely a non-MAGA cult Repubiclan if she can find one), she spun her wheels on I/P as was the only option, she expressed support for Biden. Decent, normal candidate stuff.

 

meanwhile Trump goes off selling trading cards

 

She also said she won’t stop selling arms to Israel pretty much no matter what which is obviously a big problem for a sizeable amount of naturally Democrat voters. Michigan technically should be favourable to her but Dearborn is very much a big Shia Muslim population and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t turn out for her. Trump seems to be going extra pro-Israel than usual so doubt he will win them but third party definitely an option for them there and it could make all the difference

She also said she won’t stop selling arms to Israel pretty much no matter what which is obviously a big problem for a sizeable amount of naturally Democrat voters. Michigan technically should be favourable to her but Dearborn is very much a big Shia Muslim population and I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t turn out for her. Trump seems to be going extra pro-Israel than usual so doubt he will win them but third party definitely an option for them there and it could make all the difference

 

Unfortunately, US will always support Israel no matter who’s president!!!

 

Her saying she’ll stop selling arms to Israel, it’s like saying I’m losing election!!!

Unfortunately, US will always support Israel no matter who’s president!!!

 

Her saying she’ll stop selling arms to Israel, it’s like saying I’m losing election!!!

 

Seems that way but surely you can offer up some kind of red line otherwise it’s just giving a free license to Israel to do whatever it wants.

BREAKING NEWS. The judge has just ruled that Trump won't be sentenced in his NY case until after Nov 5th.

BREAKING NEWS. The judge has just ruled that Trump won't be sentenced in his NY case until after Nov 5th.

Or, to put it another way, "Convicted criminal has sentencing postponed for his own convenience".

The first debate with Kamala and trump is this Tuesday 9pm US 2am Wednesday UK

Or, to put it another way, "Convicted criminal has sentencing postponed for his own convenience".

 

 

He won't go to jail anyway as the head of the SS has told the judge they couldn't protect him properly there. So it'll be commuted to house arrest or something like that.

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/rules-abc-preside...-192418591.html

 

 

Vice President Kamala Harris and former President Donald Trump will face off for the first time on Sept. 10, when the two presidential candidates are set to debate each other ahead of the presidential election.

 

The 90-minute debate will be hosted by ABC News in Philadelphia’s National Constitution Center at 9 p.m. ET, and will closely mirror the format used by CNN in the June debate between Trump and President Joe Biden. Both candidates will have two minutes to answer questions and two-minute rebuttals, with an additional minute to each candidate for follow-ups or clarifications. There will be no live audience, and both candidates will stand for the entire debate.

 

The terms had been somewhat contentious after Trump suggested he might back out and Harris’s campaign sought to change the rule on muted microphones, which will only be live when it is the candidate’s turn to speak. The two campaigns agreed to the ground rules set by ABC on Wednesday, setting up a critical opportunity for Harris and Trump to present their platforms and address the electorate as the Nov. 5 election approaches.

 

The two candidates are polling almost evenly in most key battleground states. New CNN/SSRS polls released Wednesday found that Harris is just barely ahead of Trump but within the margin of error in Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, and Wisconsin, while Trump leads by 5 points in Arizona and the two candidates are tied in Pennsylvania.

Edited September 7, 2024Sep 7 by crazy chris

If you look at the polls out today it’s pretty wild how 50/50 this race is

 

Sunday, September 8

National: Trump vs. Harris

POLL

NY Times/Siena

RESULTS

Harris 47

Trump 48

 

Pennsylvania: Trump vs. Harris

POLL

CBS News

RESULTS

Trump 50

Harris 50

 

Michigan: Trump vs. Harris

POLL

CBS News

RESULTS

Harris 50

Trump 49

 

Wisconsin: Trump vs. Harris

POLL

CBS News

RESULTS

Harris 51

Trump 49

 

Saturday, September 7

Arizona: Trump vs. Harris

POLL

AmGreatness/TIPP

RESULTS

Trump 48

Harris 48

 

The race in various states is pure 50/50. Quite fascinating.

Those polls show how the electoral college is now achieving the very opposite of what it was established for. It was introduced to make sure that the smaller states were not overlooked by candidates in favour of larger, and especially more densely-populated, states. Why spend time in Delaware when you could contact a lot more voters in the same time in California or Texas?

 

Now, however,. there are only six or seven states that actually count in a close race. There is little point in spending much time in California because the Democrats will win. While Florida used to be close (particularly in 2000), it is now solidly Republican. It is highly likely that Harris will win the popular vote (as Democrat candidates have done in almost every election for over 30 years). The power to choose the president rests with a relatively small number of swing voters in a handful of states.

Those polls show how the electoral college is now achieving the very opposite of what it was established for. It was introduced to make sure that the smaller states were not overlooked by candidates in favour of larger, and especially more densely-populated, states. Why spend time in Delaware when you could contact a lot more voters in the same time in California or Texas?

 

Now, however,. there are only six or seven states that actually count in a close race. There is little point in spending much time in California because the Democrats will win. While Florida used to be close (particularly in 2000), it is now solidly Republican. It is highly likely that Harris will win the popular vote (as Democrat candidates have done in almost every election for over 30 years). The power to choose the president rests with a relatively small number of swing voters in a handful of states.

 

Well what else is supposed to happen? Is every state supposed to be close?

Well what else is supposed to happen? Is every state supposed to be close?

Every state is not supposed to be close but your vote in a nationwide election should count regardless of where you are in the country.

 

If you are Republican in Massachusetts then your vote is irrelevant. It really does not make a difference whether you vote or not there, and it does not matter if a candidate persuades you to switch your vote.

Every state is not supposed to be close but your vote in a nationwide election should count regardless of where you are in the country.

 

If you are Republican in Massachusetts then your vote is irrelevant. It really does not make a difference whether you vote or not there, and it does not matter if a candidate persuades you to switch your vote.

 

Yeah but it’s the same here my vote in Camden means nothing because Labour will win this place no matter what

Every state is not supposed to be close but your vote in a nationwide election should count regardless of where you are in the country.

 

If you are Republican in Massachusetts then your vote is irrelevant. It really does not make a difference whether you vote or not there, and it does not matter if a candidate persuades you to switch your vote.

it matters once you take into account what congressional seats are open! Remember when everyone was freaking out bc Republicans got the presidency AND maintained control over Congress? it was a DARK time for democracy

Yeah but it’s the same here my vote in Camden means nothing because Labour will win this place no matter what

 

Difference with that is that the UK has parliamentary elections, each election is for a specific MP. As to whether that should be the case, or how people's votes get wasted in our system, a topic for some place that is not the US election thread, but the US presidential election is for one office that is responsible for the whole country, so splitting it by states makes zero sense. Prescriptively if more people vote for the leader of a whole country, then they should be the leader.

 

Especially because the Americans are already voting for Congress and some Senators and some governors at the same time, each with their own problems but it's not like there's no statewide representation.

Difference with that is that the UK has parliamentary elections, each election is for a specific MP. As to whether that should be the case, or how people's votes get wasted in our system, a topic for some place that is not the US election thread, but the US presidential election is for one office that is responsible for the whole country, so splitting it by states makes zero sense. Prescriptively if more people vote for the leader of a whole country, then they should be the leader.

 

Especially because the Americans are already voting for Congress and some Senators and some governors at the same time, each with their own problems but it's not like there's no statewide representation.

 

It’s a uniquely interesting system where even a state’s 1 district vote like Maine can decide the election so every state matters in that regard. Not the place but the comparison is people constantly asking for PR here which shows no system or way of doing things is ever perfect. France way with constant run offs and running it back seems a pain too. My point was more to that guy saying it undermines the point of the EC, I mean they surely they didn’t set it up thinking all states would be battlegrounds, it’s working as it’s supposed to whether you agree with the concept or not

It’s a uniquely interesting system where even a state’s 1 district vote like Maine can decide the election so every state matters in that regard. Not the place but the comparison is people constantly asking for PR here which shows no system or way of doing things is ever perfect. France way with constant run offs and running it back seems a pain too. My point was more to that guy saying it undermines the point of the EC, I mean they surely they didn’t set it up thinking all states would be battlegrounds, it’s working as it’s supposed to whether you agree with the concept or not

Nobody has said that all states would be battleground states. You have missed the point. The intention oof the Electoral College was to avoid candidates concentrating their efforts on only a handful of states. We now have campaigning concentrated heavily in a handful of states. The only difference is the way those states are chosen and, therefore, which ones they are.

Nobody has said that all states would be battleground states. You have missed the point. The intention oof the Electoral College was to avoid candidates concentrating their efforts on only a handful of states. We now have campaigning concentrated heavily in a handful of states. The only difference is the way those states are chosen and, therefore, which ones they are.

 

Preach!!! Hihhly undemocratic system. It needs to change to popular vote.

Nobody has said that all states would be battleground states. You have missed the point. The intention oof the Electoral College was to avoid candidates concentrating their efforts on only a handful of states. We now have campaigning concentrated heavily in a handful of states. The only difference is the way those states are chosen and, therefore, which ones they are.

 

I think the intention was to prevent the tyranny of the majority. If you think about it, New Hampshire could just switch on a dime tomorrow and possibly decide the election. You’d have both candidates campaigning in the state , needing their votes. It’s an incredibly intelligently crafted system.

 

The whole concept was an alternative to the popular vote so people take issue with it when the popular vote doesn’t match the winner but technically that was partly the whole point of it. Personally I think it’s great because it’s so unique. If it was a popular vote probably both candidates would be appealing more to California and New York and it probably would create huge problems. Whereas if say New York or California felt forgotten or mistreated now they can vote someone else or become a battleground state and suddenly it all changes. The system means you can’t overlook any state which is genius.

The debate will be shown live on BBC1 and BBC NC, ITV1, Ch4 and Sky News.

 

The Biden-Trump one was only viewable online here in the UK.