2 minutes ago, Liam S said:

The country is already near rock bottom unfortunately I don’t command much power to change anything however the people that do are determined to reach that that bottom. I don’t expect someone who thought Starmer was doing a great job when his approval was minus 60 to have a balanced take but this is not a good deal. These aren’t deal makers or businessmen. If you think cheerleading selling the country down the river is a wise thing to do I’d suggest thinking how we got here in the first place.

The UK was a powerhouse until it sold itself down the river due to this mentality. The UK had a bigger economy than China less than 30 years ago and is now celebrating being humiliated by India as a win. It’s diabolical. But this is a country scared of using tariffs. India is reducing tariffs down to 75% and Starmer is eating it up. What kind of nonsense is this? I would have 150% tariffs on everything from India until they show the UK some respect.

Nobody needs the detail. We know how it works. India are touting this as an incredible deal FOR THEM hailing the national insurance part in particular. A country with a reputation of exploiting visas now has an open goal to have dependents or set up companies and easily exploit the system. What benefit to the economy are you even talking about? There is no reason this will be any benefit. At best minuscule while causing more problems that eradicate such a small benefit. Of course you support bad deals you just think in terms of the markets. Maybe when everybody is wearing a mask and the air is rotten and a 1 bedroom box room costs 5k a month you’ll see sense but I doubt it. Who knows what reform will do but hopefully they’d be looking out for British interests not India’s.

It’s a good deal, everyone thinks that. It’s mutually beneficial for both countries hence why it’s a good deal.. you know one country gets rich and the other gets richer? I’m still to hear from how it’s a bad deal from anyone.

Your post above is complete crap. Comparing our economy to China 30 years ago. Another absolute pelter. You’re gonna get some absolutely great responses to these posts of which you won’t reply. The levels of arrogance is mind blowing. I hope you don’t work in Sales or any sort of commercial business.

27 minutes ago, Rooney said:

It’s a good deal, everyone thinks that. It’s mutually beneficial for both countries hence why it’s a good deal.. you know one country gets rich and the other gets richer? I’m still to hear from how it’s a bad deal from anyone.

Your post above is complete crap. Comparing our economy to China 30 years ago. Another absolute pelter. You’re gonna get some absolutely great responses to these posts of which you won’t reply. The levels of arrogance is mind blowing. I hope you don’t work in Sales or any sort of commercial business.

What are you even talking about? The UK was the 4th biggest economy in the world it’ll be destined to be out of the top 10 in no time. This doesn’t happen by accident. It happens through incompetence and bad deals. You wouldn’t know what a good deal is as your benchmark for measuring one is miles off.

Weren’t your super anti-tariff and now India are using tariffs effectively for their benefit at the UK’s expense and you avoid the issue.

Shall we look into your amazing claims? Ok let’s start with these huge benefits

This is the government selling this rubbish deal. They’re selling it. This is a best case scenario. 0.1% I repeat 0.1%

Just laughable. By all means compare the NI agreement to Canada and NZ countries with a combined population of 45 million to one with 1.5 billion. Two countries with good lifestyle and similar standard of living to one with outrageous poverty with hundreds of millions looking to leave if they could. Sure give them an easy route to exploit the system.

I initially saw reform as a more gateway to pressuring other parties to make better deals but the more you see the type of mentalities that exist it might actually be better to just get a whole new bunch of minds in power because if we’re claiming this is a good deal then we have the worst negotiators in the world

I can't have a well-reasoned balanced discussion with someone who's unironic response to 'read the impact assessment and detail of the agreement we're talking about' is 'no one needs the details'. It's like this with everything Liam talks utter shite about, reverting to what he thinks the effects of this trade deal are based on his priors, that he has no real good evidence for.

Time was, this was the sort of deal that anyone who voted Leave would be pointing to as a great Brexit benefit. And even though that is most Reform voters, they've been lied to again and are flipping bricks over us sorting our future prosperity. Brexit thought leaders who aren't in the Reform-chasing Tory parliamentary party like, to name a few, Rees-Mogg, Daniel Hannan and Steve Baker have publicly defended the deal. And before they're called out-of-touch globalists, let's look at what Hannan had to say on the deal. A Tory peer.

And in case you don't read that, that's the NI thing simply being a principle against double taxation, reducing tariffs on Indian goods being a good thing... for us (generally true), opening up our good services industry to a HUGE Indian market and becoming very closely invested in an economy that is going to have huge growth itself over the next few decades.

It's also very much in line with our deals with other countries, and £4.8 billion worth of value is pretty good from just connecting our economy to one other that's not even that close to us.

What on earth sort of trade deal would Reform be doing with India? If the answer is 'no migration', then you already have that with this deal.

I work in a place where half are Indians half are British born. I am in no way racist, however this country is making me think about overseas workers differently. One person getting a job means they can bring a whole family over and take up housing which young people like me is failing to have on the income but with overseas they are moving money to and from increasing the value. I'm all for bringing overseas workers but the country is just filling up now with families eho are increasing stress on infrastructure and culture. How am I expected to not be angry when I'm now going to be one of the only people paying national knurance in my company but those who aren't are still using the same facilities. It's beyond a joke now and the country needs a massive change. It's getting to the point of civil war likely very soon in my opinion, it's making a laughing stock out of our country. They need to tighten up, deport and start doing things efficiently and in the right way. I waited for 7 years for mentalh health help on NHS i can't get into an NHS dentist yet overseas workers are given priority help when they come over here.

A lot of change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon

5 minutes ago, Rough_edges said:

I work in a place where half are Indians half are British born. I am in no way racist, however this country is making me think about overseas workers differently. One person getting a job means they can bring a whole family over and take up housing which young people like me is failing to have on the income but with overseas they are moving money to and from increasing the value. I'm all for bringing overseas workers but the country is just filling up now with families eho are increasing stress on infrastructure and culture. How am I expected to not be angry when I'm now going to be one of the only people paying national knurance in my company but those who aren't are still using the same facilities. It's beyond a joke now and the country needs a massive change. It's getting to the point of civil war likely very soon in my opinion, it's making a laughing stock out of our country. They need to tighten up, deport and start doing things efficiently and in the right way. I waited for 7 years for mentalh health help on NHS i can't get into an NHS dentist yet overseas workers are given priority help when they come over here.

A lot of change needs to happen and it needs to happen soon

Doesn't sound like it's going to affect you or your company then. If it's not an Indian company, then it won't apply at all. Even if it is, it's only going to apply for workers that the company rotates here on a short-term basis, and that sort of worker is going to be well-paid (nobody's rotating a low-paid IT worker) and probably won't bring their family as the benefits end after 3 years. There was already an exemption exactly like this in place for 12 months, now it is extended to 3 years. Just like an agreement we have with 50 other countries already.

As ever, the fanciful 'country needs a massive change' (what change, exactly? would that be a change that South Asian British people share in?) and imagining civil war is nonsense.

Actually, that whole post is an absolute classic of the 'I'm not a racist, but...' genre.

3 hours ago, Rough_edges said:

Absolute Absolute joke about the NI I amongst others fuming

There are several posts above explaining how this deal is perfectly normal and is similar to those signed with other countries and with the EU. Why have you chosen to ignore that?

12 minutes ago, Suedehead2 said:

There are several posts above explaining how this deal is perfectly normal and is similar to those signed with other countries and with the EU. Why have you chosen to ignore that?

Let’s go through it.

1. It’s reciprocal?

Um no. With Britain and NZ/Canada/EU it’s reciprocal with India not so much. There isn’t an avalanche of British people wanting to live in India. Highly laughable suggestion.

2. 1 year vs 3 years

   The deal with those countries is one year with India its 3 years. They can avoid paying NI despite working here for 3 years

3. Immigration not effected

   Probably most important this one. This is an open invitation to 1.5 billion many of whom are probably desperate to move to the UK this isn’t the case when you make a similar deal with Canada or Australia or the EU. This is one way thing. This is absolutely a clear indication of who doesn’t have real world insight and just has talking points. Everybody with sense knows how this goes.

The reality is this is a one way deal. India benefits not the UK.

Do you really think tariffs going down to 75% from 150% is going to cause a British whiskey boom in India? It won’t move any dials. India knows it that’s why they agreed to it. Meanwhile India get to increase their businesses, their exports, their people get to have access to another way to get a visa into Britain and they’ll pay less than British people for the luxury.

It’s not going to hit the bold 0.1% target. As always with Labour they’ve overselling an already unambitious target.

All that will happen is it’ll increase the housing crisis. Increase immigration both legal and illegal. Benefit another country at Britain’s expense and eventually we will be asking why did we agree such a rubbish deal.

If we have people who cannot differentiate between a country with crazy poverty and 1.5 billion people vs the likes of comparative countries like Canada or even ones like New Zealand then there is no discussion to be had. It’s like apples and oranges. The same rules cannot apply as different outcomes will come. I’ve seen a few Labour MPs recently begin to state some interesting proposals on immigration and such but this kind of deal puts clear daylight between Labour and the likes of reform. You have one selling out the country and getting outmanoeuvred by foreign negotiators and another calling it out for what it is.

One year is the default. There are over 50 countries already signed up to deals that grant similar exemptions.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-dismisses-idea-that-british-workers-being-sold-out-india-trade-deal-2025-05-07/

Britain has social security agreements with the European Union and countries including Switzerland, Canada, Japan and Chile, with some deals allowing for five-year exemptions, which ensure migrant workers are not taxed in two countries at one time. India also has similar agreements with other nations.

Britain expects the DCC agreement with India to cost around 100 million pounds ($133 million) a year.

...

Indian officials have said the social security exemptions would benefit Indian information technology companies operating in Britain, which often transfer employees to the country on short-term contracts.

This analysis article is a good read on the advantages and drawbacks of the deal and I would highly recommend everyone read through it before making any further comments about the deal:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/may/07/has-the-uk-india-trade-deal-sold-out-british-workers-as-farage-and-badenoch-claim

To summarise, though: NICs are a concession the government has made, but financially it's good for us (we make up the cost in taxation). There are no extra visas under this deal, as the article says, it's a Labour claim that the Conservatives had put visas on the table so, but in any case, claiming 1.5 billion Indians are about to descend on us is ludicrous hyperbole and also kinda lowkey racist.

To be honest, this is the sort of deal we need to make if we are to survive outside the EU long term.

1 hour ago, Liam S said:

Let’s go through it.

1. It’s reciprocal?

Um no. With Britain and NZ/Canada/EU it’s reciprocal with India not so much. There isn’t an avalanche of British people wanting to live in India. Highly laughable suggestion.

2. 1 year vs 3 years

   The deal with those countries is one year with India its 3 years. They can avoid paying NI despite working here for 3 years

3. Immigration not effected

   Probably most important this one. This is an open invitation to 1.5 billion many of whom are probably desperate to move to the UK this isn’t the case when you make a similar deal with Canada or Australia or the EU. This is one way thing. This is absolutely a clear indication of who doesn’t have real world insight and just has talking points. Everybody with sense knows how this goes.

The reality is this is a one way deal. India benefits not the UK.

Do you really think tariffs going down to 75% from 150% is going to cause a British whiskey boom in India? It won’t move any dials. India knows it that’s why they agreed to it. Meanwhile India get to increase their businesses, their exports, their people get to have access to another way to get a visa into Britain and they’ll pay less than British people for the luxury.

It’s not going to hit the bold 0.1% target. As always with Labour they’ve overselling an already unambitious target.

All that will happen is it’ll increase the housing crisis. Increase immigration both legal and illegal. Benefit another country at Britain’s expense and eventually we will be asking why did we agree such a rubbish deal.

If we have people who cannot differentiate between a country with crazy poverty and 1.5 billion people vs the likes of comparative countries like Canada or even ones like New Zealand then there is no discussion to be had. It’s like apples and oranges. The same rules cannot apply as different outcomes will come. I’ve seen a few Labour MPs recently begin to state some interesting proposals on immigration and such but this kind of deal puts clear daylight between Labour and the likes of reform. You have one selling out the country and getting outmanoeuvred by foreign negotiators and another calling it out for what it is.

Avoid paying NI.. that's right. So any prospective workers ends up being double taxed and pays in to a system they are never going to take out of. The numbers are capped and the social immigration system enourages people to return home as their state benefits are still there for them. And of course foreign nationals pay for the NHS. You make it sound like we're going to have flights full of Indian people coming to take our job. You've already stated they are poor, so how are they gonna afford the flights? And trust me when hiring people no reputable business takes in to consideration the ethnicity or MOGE cost of an individual for the business.

Instead you want Reform to be in power who will have their red lines so fecking red we'll be bankrupt within the year. I've seen this story before, not one person can tell me a benefit of Brexit 10 years on and as much as they promise you the world I can guarantee you if Reform ever got in to power there won't be one benefit to any of us in this thread.

Hahahaha

“Britain had a bigger economy than China 30 years ago”

Hardly a fair comparison given the stage of growth both are on.

5 hours ago, Liam S said:

Let’s go through it.

1. It’s reciprocal?

Um no. With Britain and NZ/Canada/EU it’s reciprocal with India not so much. There isn’t an avalanche of British people wanting to live in India. Highly laughable suggestion.

2. 1 year vs 3 years

   The deal with those countries is one year with India its 3 years. They can avoid paying NI despite working here for 3 years

3. Immigration not effected

   Probably most important this one. This is an open invitation to 1.5 billion many of whom are probably desperate to move to the UK this isn’t the case when you make a similar deal with Canada or Australia or the EU. This is one way thing. This is absolutely a clear indication of who doesn’t have real world insight and just has talking points. Everybody with sense knows how this goes.

The reality is this is a one way deal. India benefits not the UK.

Do you really think tariffs going down to 75% from 150% is going to cause a British whiskey boom in India? It won’t move any dials. India knows it that’s why they agreed to it. Meanwhile India get to increase their businesses, their exports, their people get to have access to another way to get a visa into Britain and they’ll pay less than British people for the luxury.

It’s not going to hit the bold 0.1% target. As always with Labour they’ve overselling an already unambitious target.

All that will happen is it’ll increase the housing crisis. Increase immigration both legal and illegal. Benefit another country at Britain’s expense and eventually we will be asking why did we agree such a rubbish deal.

If we have people who cannot differentiate between a country with crazy poverty and 1.5 billion people vs the likes of comparative countries like Canada or even ones like New Zealand then there is no discussion to be had. It’s like apples and oranges. The same rules cannot apply as different outcomes will come. I’ve seen a few Labour MPs recently begin to state some interesting proposals on immigration and such but this kind of deal puts clear daylight between Labour and the likes of reform. You have one selling out the country and getting outmanoeuvred by foreign negotiators and another calling it out for what it is.

It is reciprocal. Numbers, and your numbers are probably wrong, don't affect the definition of reciprocal. Look elsewhere for reasons why the rest of your argument is nonsense.

Foreign nationals pay for the NHS I repeat FOREIGN NATIONALS PAY FOR THE NHS!!

44 minutes ago, Steve201 said:

Hahahaha

“Britain had a bigger economy than China 30 years ago”

Hardly a fair comparison given the stage of growth both are on.

Britain was a powerhouse and it threw it away. Part of throwing it away was joining the EU which these people lament

3 hours ago, Rooney said:

Avoid paying NI.. that's right. So any prospective workers ends up being double taxed and pays in to a system they are never going to take out of. The numbers are capped and the social immigration system enourages people to return home as their state benefits are still there for them. And of course foreign nationals pay for the NHS. You make it sound like we're going to have flights full of Indian people coming to take our job. You've already stated they are poor, so how are they gonna afford the flights? And trust me when hiring people no reputable business takes in to consideration the ethnicity or MOGE cost of an individual for the business.

Instead you want Reform to be in power who will have their red lines so fecking red we'll be bankrupt within the year. I've seen this story before, not one person can tell me a benefit of Brexit 10 years on and as much as they promise you the world I can guarantee you if Reform ever got in to power there won't be one benefit to any of us in this thread.

Tell me this. How comes you and Iz went on about how bad tariffs are yet you have India using them all over the place to bolster their country and getting the UK to give heavy concessions just to reduce them and you won’t say a thing. Trump was the biggest idiot ever for tariffs yet India has Britain over a barrel and suddenly tariffs is not an issue.

How is it India are becoming a world economic superpower largely with the use of tariffs and you guys will maintain tariffs are bad for the economy. Just complete hypocrites.

Reform bankrupting the country is funny. Do you know how much these boats are costing look at this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2720n2kkjo as for Steve’s point do you think these people(thousands a day) are paying for the NHS? They spent everything they had on getting here. But it’s whatever if people really think 75% tariffs are a celebration and going to drive exports I can’t convince anyone of anything. You’ll see Indians won’t buy a thing. It’ll all be imports and very few if any British companies will go to India and if they do they’ll hire Indian workers as they’ll be cheaper. So much for that reciprocal stuff. But that’s politics people cheer anything if they think it means their team is winning even if it’s junk.

5 hours ago, Liam S said:

Let’s go through it.

1. It’s reciprocal?

Um no. With Britain and NZ/Canada/EU it’s reciprocal with India not so much. There isn’t an avalanche of British people wanting to live in India. Highly laughable suggestion.

2. 1 year vs 3 years

   The deal with those countries is one year with India its 3 years. They can avoid paying NI despite working here for 3 years

3. Immigration not effected

   Probably most important this one. This is an open invitation to 1.5 billion many of whom are probably desperate to move to the UK this isn’t the case when you make a similar deal with Canada or Australia or the EU. This is one way thing. This is absolutely a clear indication of who doesn’t have real world insight and just has talking points. Everybody with sense knows how this goes.

The reality is this is a one way deal. India benefits not the UK.

Do you really think tariffs going down to 75% from 150% is going to cause a British whiskey boom in India? It won’t move any dials. India knows it that’s why they agreed to it. Meanwhile India get to increase their businesses, their exports, their people get to have access to another way to get a visa into Britain and they’ll pay less than British people for the luxury.

It’s not going to hit the bold 0.1% target. As always with Labour they’ve overselling an already unambitious target.

All that will happen is it’ll increase the housing crisis. Increase immigration both legal and illegal. Benefit another country at Britain’s expense and eventually we will be asking why did we agree such a rubbish deal.

If we have people who cannot differentiate between a country with crazy poverty and 1.5 billion people vs the likes of comparative countries like Canada or even ones like New Zealand then there is no discussion to be had. It’s like apples and oranges. The same rules cannot apply as different outcomes will come. I’ve seen a few Labour MPs recently begin to state some interesting proposals on immigration and such but this kind of deal puts clear daylight between Labour and the likes of reform. You have one selling out the country and getting outmanoeuvred by foreign negotiators and another calling it out for what it is.

Not gonna lie, your tone around Indians being desperate to move to the UK and the idea of anybody from the UK wanting to move to India being absolutely laughable reads very uncomfortably.

10 minutes ago, Liam S said:

Britain was a powerhouse and it threw it away. Part of throwing it away was joining the EU which these people lament

Tell me this. How comes you and Iz went on about how bad tariffs are yet you have India using them all over the place to bolster their country and getting the UK to give heavy concessions just to reduce them and you won’t say a thing. Trump was the biggest idiot ever for tariffs yet India has Britain over a barrel and suddenly tariffs is not an issue.

How is it India are becoming a world economic superpower largely with the use of tariffs and you guys will maintain tariffs are bad for the economy. Just complete hypocrites.

Reform bankrupting the country is funny. Do you know how much these boats are costing look at this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2720n2kkjo as for Steve’s point do you think these people(thousands a day) are paying for the NHS? They spent everything they had on getting here. But it’s whatever if people really think 75% tariffs are a celebration and going to drive exports I can’t convince anyone of anything. You’ll see Indians won’t buy a thing. It’ll all be imports and very few if any British companies will go to India and if they do they’ll hire Indian workers as they’ll be cheaper. So much for that reciprocal stuff. But that’s politics people cheer anything if they think it means their team is winning even if it’s junk.

China is and was a rising industrial power in the 1990s whereas britains industries were mainly closing form the 80s onwards so the comparison is ridiculous. And yet Britain is still one of the worlds richest countries today.

In one part of this thread India is a poor country now you say they are a economic powerhouse? Which is it?

39 minutes ago, Liam S said:

Britain was a powerhouse and it threw it away. Part of throwing it away was joining the EU which these people lament

Tell me this. How comes you and Iz went on about how bad tariffs are yet you have India using them all over the place to bolster their country and getting the UK to give heavy concessions just to reduce them and you won’t say a thing. Trump was the biggest idiot ever for tariffs yet India has Britain over a barrel and suddenly tariffs is not an issue.

How is it India are becoming a world economic superpower largely with the use of tariffs and you guys will maintain tariffs are bad for the economy. Just complete hypocrites.

Reform bankrupting the country is funny. Do you know how much these boats are costing look at this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2720n2kkjo as for Steve’s point do you think these people(thousands a day) are paying for the NHS? They spent everything they had on getting here. But it’s whatever if people really think 75% tariffs are a celebration and going to drive exports I can’t convince anyone of anything. You’ll see Indians won’t buy a thing. It’ll all be imports and very few if any British companies will go to India and if they do they’ll hire Indian workers as they’ll be cheaper. So much for that reciprocal stuff. But that’s politics people cheer anything if they think it means their team is winning even if it’s junk.

Oh yes joining the EU. Completely forgetting the one time we had a real piece of prosperity, we were actually in the EU. Complete and utter nonsense.

Tarrifs can be used to not massively flood the market and create insane consumer choice, but they are all relative. Free trade is beneficial for business. People buying British goods in India are wealthy too, so I don't know, maybe it's a good way to make money? You know, like a good deal is both parties are satisifed and both think they have got a good hand. Like Steve says, you say India are an economic powerhouse but now they are a poor country. Perhaps the answer lies in that India has a vast wealth gap.

Lol. Liam at this point you are a running parody. "Look how much these boats are costing us" - open you fecking eyes dude. Do you know how much public money is wasted on lots of things. The cost saving is ineligible. Oh and yeah you know when your lads from Reform decided it would be an amazing idea to leave the EU, they made is 10x harder to send people back to France, so their new solution to to strip each and every single one of us of our human rights and waste even more money. . If you serious;y think that businesses are now going to be flooding the Market with Indian workers, get a grip. It does't work that way. Reform have zero plan for how they are actually going to govern, so yes they of course will bankrupt the country. These people are not your mates, you're merely a puppet for them and the sooner you wake up and realise you're being used and they play in to your innate fears the quicker we can all move on.

For what it's worth, I'm going to also say frankly now that a lot of this 'anti immigrant' rhetoric is just an excuse to be outright racist.

Meaning, in a prejudiced way, automatically assuming the worst of entire demographics or attributing beliefs or behaviours to them based on just assumptions or the actions of one or a very few as representative obviously of the whole group.

This isn't a threat; just an observation; and Reform is heavily playing into and attempting to normalise that rhetoric as being 'just about the bad ones' when taking any such statement to logical conclusion shows immediately that that is not the case.

Very cowardly to both be racist and then try to deny it to excuse it.

14 hours ago, Steve201 said:

China is and was a rising industrial power in the 1990s whereas britains industries were mainly closing form the 80s onwards so the comparison is ridiculous. And yet Britain is still one of the worlds richest countries today.

In one part of this thread India is a poor country now you say they are a economic powerhouse? Which is it?

By what metric is British rich? There is non stop austerity.

Oh yeah Britain’s industries were closing… why Steve? Please tell me that one. India technically will be a rich country but it also has poverty on levels very different to Britain. These are are not small numbers. 1% of India is 25% of Britain in terms of numbers.

14 hours ago, J00prstar said:

Not gonna lie, your tone around Indians being desperate to move to the UK and the idea of anybody from the UK wanting to move to India being absolutely laughable reads very uncomfortably.

I mean what do you want me to do with this information? Do you think it’s inaccurate or something?

13 hours ago, Rooney said:

Oh yes joining the EU. Completely forgetting the one time we had a real piece of prosperity, we were actually in the EU. Complete and utter nonsense.

Tarrifs can be used to not massively flood the market and create insane consumer choice, but they are all relative. Free trade is beneficial for business. People buying British goods in India are wealthy too, so I don't know, maybe it's a good way to make money? You know, like a good deal is both parties are satisifed and both think they have got a good hand. Like Steve says, you say India are an economic powerhouse but now they are a poor country. Perhaps the answer lies in that India has a vast wealth gap.

Lol. Liam at this point you are a running parody. "Look how much these boats are costing us" - open you fecking eyes dude. Do you know how much public money is wasted on lots of things. The cost saving is ineligible. Oh and yeah you know when your lads from Reform decided it would be an amazing idea to leave the EU, they made is 10x harder to send people back to France, so their new solution to to strip each and every single one of us of our human rights and waste even more money. . If you serious;y think that businesses are now going to be flooding the Market with Indian workers, get a grip. It does't work that way. Reform have zero plan for how they are actually going to govern, so yes they of course will bankrupt the country. These people are not your mates, you're merely a puppet for them and the sooner you wake up and realise you're being used and they play in to your innate fears the quicker we can all move on.

The EU saw the UK become irrelevant. It has never recovered. Tariffs are relative when India and many others use them effectively so much so Britain is celebrating getting tariffs down to seventy five percent? It’s their main tool to make sure their money stays in India. What British goods are going to be bought in India? They don’t need Britain in that way. Whiskey + 75% tariffs when many cheaper alternatives available? How or why? They won’t. You think Chinese people have low wages and can undercut um let me introduce you to India where they are 5x cheaper.

The minimum wage in the UK is 10x what they earn. There is every incentive to be in the UK and if that’s not possible they’re going to undercut so easily.

You clearly didn’t read that article. Just pure asylum is now costing over 15 billion in hotels alone without all the other costs including NHS and so forth so true cost has to be minimum double but probably much more. This is for no benefit at all. Until these problems are solved the country will always have no money.

25 minutes ago, J00prstar said:

For what it's worth, I'm going to also say frankly now that a lot of this 'anti immigrant' rhetoric is just an excuse to be outright racist.

Meaning, in a prejudiced way, automatically assuming the worst of entire demographics or attributing beliefs or behaviours to them based on just assumptions or the actions of one or a very few as representative obviously of the whole group.

This isn't a threat; just an observation; and Reform is heavily playing into and attempting to normalise that rhetoric as being 'just about the bad ones' when taking any such statement to logical conclusion shows immediately that that is not the case.

Very cowardly to both be racist and then try to deny it to excuse it.

A threat? Huh. Seems like you’ve plucked most of that from your own imagination. But feel free to elaborate because I’m not really what you’re going on about

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Be interesting to hear what the UK/US trade deal is and what affect it will have.

Interest rates being lowered, The Indian trade deal and a deal with the US are 3 good things which have happened this week. But you wouldn't really know it from the Press.

The Indian trade deal has been shat on by right wing racists, who basically parrot lies created by Farage and the Right Wing Press. But in the long run should be a good thing.

US beef yikes has a notoriously bad reputation