here's how the official chart may look with Billboard style recurrence rules and harsher reset criterion

1. 01 01 58 Sam Fender and Olivia Dean ~ Rein Me In

2. 02 05 08 Shakira and Burna Boy ~ Dai Dai

3. 03 04 20 Anotr ~ Talk To You (feat. 54 Ultra)

4. 04 06 06 Olivia Rodrigo ~ Stupid Song

5. 05 08 29 Ella Langley ~ Choosin' Texas

6. 06 07 17 Prospa and Cloonee ~ Free Your Mind

7. 07 09 08 Ariana Grande ~ Hate That I Made You Love Me

   08 02 108 Oasis ~ Wonderwall

8. 09 11 09 Olivia Rodrigo ~ The Cure

9. 10 10 07 Taylor Swift ~ I Knew It, I Knew You

10. 11 16 06 Hugel, Imael Angel and Ultra Naté ~ Movin' to the Sun

11. 12 13 49 Olivia Dean ~ Man I Need

12. 13 12 20 Harry Styles ~ American Girls

13. 14 14 12 Sienna Spiro ~ Material Lover

14. 15 18 16 Stella Lefty ~ Boston

15. 16 17 17 Malcolm Todd ~ Earrings

16. 17 15 08 Silva Bumpa ~ On 2Nite

    18 21 41 Sienna Spiro ~ Die on This Hill

17. 19 22 03 Sienna Spiro ~ Great Expectation

    20 23 76 Alex Warren ~ Ordinary

    21 27 43 Harry Styles ~ Sign of the Times

18. 22 25 30 Zara Larsson ~ Midnight Sun

19. 23 36 07 Alyssa Grace ~ Bloodstream

    24 28 37 Calvin Harris and Clementine Douglas ~ Blessings

    25 37 41 Katy Perry ~ The One That Got Away

    26 26 39 Shakira ~ Waka Waka (This Time for Africa) (feat. Freshlyground)

    27 31 124 Journey ~ Don't Stop Believin'

    28 33 50 Michael Jackson ~ Billie Jean

20. 29 32 18 Temper City ~ Self Aware

21. 30 34 24 Sombr ~ Homewrecker

    31 55 91 Lady Gaga and Bruno Mars ~ Die With A Smile

22. 32 76 10 Gracie Abrams ~ Hit the Wall

23. 33 30 02 Olivia Rodrigo ~ Honeybee

    34 38 44 Raye ~ Where Is My Husband!

    35 41 92 Zara Larsson ~ Lush Life

24. 36 RE 02 BTS ~ Normal

    37 42 515 The Killers ~ Mr Brightside

25. 38 40 04 Sombr ~ My Body Isn't Ready

    39 39 42 Jennifer Lopez ~ On the Floor (feat. Pitbull)

26. 40 47 09 Noah Kahan ~ Orbiter

27. 41 74 04 Gracie Abrams ~ Look At My Life

28. 42 65 02 Fat Papi and Prodshushy ~ Freaked Out

    43 48 42 Olivia Dean ~ So Easy (To Fall In Love)

29. 44 44 26 Bella Kay ~ iloveitiloveitiloveit

    45 45 86 Natasha Bedingfield ~ Unwritten

30. 46 46 12 Robyn ~ Dancing on My Own

    47 49 57 Huntr/x ~ Golden

    48 50 39 Tame Impala ~ Dracula

31. 49 54 08 Audrey Hobart ~ Sue Me

32. 50 43 11 Calvin Harris and Jazzy ~ Satisfy

33. 51 RE 06 Olivia Dean ~ Baby Steps

    52 58 39 Dave ~ Raindance (feat. Tems)

34. 53 61 07 Kyla ~ Do You Mind

    54 53 35 Michael Jackson ~ Beat It

35. 55 NE 01 Gracie Abrams ~ Good Reason

36. 56 51 16 Harry Styles ~ Aperture

37. 57 64 11 Cameron Whitcomb ~ Kingdom of Fear

38. 58 29 18 Bonnie Tyler ~ Total Eclipse of the Heart

    59 71 28 Bruno Mars ~ I Just Might

39. 60 63 21 Alex Warren ~ Fever Dream

40. 61 68 03 Pupsies ~ Misery.

    62 59 42 Taylor Swift ~ The Fate of Ophelia

    63 66 39 Justin Bieber ~ Beauty and a Beat (feat. Nicki Minaj)

41. 64 57 16 Ella Langley ~ Be Her

42. 65 52 03 Josh Baker and Poppy Baskcomb ~ My Place

43. 66 72 10 Noah Kahan ~ Willing and Able

44. 67 77 05 Hugel and Solto ~ Jamaican (Bam Bam)

    68 80 226 Goo Goo Dolls ~ Iris

    69 24 31 The Beatles ~ Hey Jude

45. 70 67 06 MK ~ Zone (feat. Poppy Baskcomb)

46. 71 19 10 Drake ~ Janice STFU

47. 72 56 06 Aitch ~ RMB (Ring My Bell)

    73 69 178 Fleetwood Mac ~ Dreams

    74 83 129 Benson Boone ~ Beautiful Things

48. 75 60 03 Beyoncé ~ Morning Dew (Donk)

    76 73 51 Sombr ~ 12 to 12

49. 77 81 11 Jonas Blue and Malive ~ Edge of Desire

    78 84 28 Dominic Fike ~ Babydoll

50. 79 70 06 Le Sserafim, Illit and Katseye ~ Iconic By Mistake

51. 80 88 02 Kolter ~ Trapped

    81 85 37 PinkPantheress ~ Stateside

52. 82 91 06 Kettama ~ Comes and Goes

    83 78 21 The Chemical Brothers ~ Go

    84 86 40 Justin Bieber ~ Daisies

    85 93 182 Vance Joy ~ Riptide

53. 86 79 04 DJ Goja, Jason Derulo and Melody ~ Mi Chico

    87 97 87 Chappell Roan ~ Pink Pony Club

    88 98 130 Noah Kahan ~ Stick Season

    89 87 31 Milky ~ Just the Way You Are

54. 90 90 03 Ella Langley ~ Weren't For the Wind

    91 96 159 Fleetwood Mac ~ Everywhere

    92 99 74 Ravyn Lenae ~ Love Me Not

    93 92 105 Myles Smith ~ Stargazing

    94 RE 54 Djo ~ End of Beginning

    95 89 13 Michael Jackson ~ Human Nature

55. 96 75 03 Madonna ~ Danceteria

    97 100 49 Sabrina Carpenter ~ Manchild

56. 98 95 03 Fenix Flexin and Purps on the Beat ~ Rubberz

57. 99 NE 01 Victony ~ Slick

    100 RE 138 Teddy Swims ~ Lose Control

The truly harsh thing there is that Robyn hasn’t done enough to warrant being struck out 😭

5 hours ago, 777666jason said:

Thats another flaw does a song count from when the albums released or when it gets the singles push treatment.,

Not really a flaw when a singles push post album doesn't really do anything these days

7 minutes ago, Paramore said:

Not really a flaw when a singles push post album doesn't really do anything these days

Yes but when does your "year" start songs enter on album week fall out etc

There are many approaches - but why not keep it simple? Half all streams 8 weeks after release date. This would keep the chart fresh and allow a two month period for new releases to make an impact. If necessary have a separate legacy chart to demonstrate the impact of older songs which are having a resurgence. Ideally also there should be nominated singles from albums as happened in the days of physical releases. A record company could spread out the campaign for an album rather than having 3 songs from an album charting in its first week and then disappearing rapidly.

Edited Monday at 10:342 days by Corkfella0

10 minutes ago, Corkfella0 said:

There are many approaches - but why not keep it simple? Half all streams 8 weeks after release date. This would keep the chart fresh and allow a two month period for new releases to make an impact. If necessary have a separate legacy chart to demonstrate the impact of older songs which are having a resurgence.

But how would you then deal with a situation like Midnight Sun, which took months to catch on and build momentum? It would've had its streams halved for its entire chart run when most people discovered it later than 8 weeks after release. This isn't a practical solution in the current era of the charts unfortunately.

Exactly Pink pony Club took almost 5 years to take off how is it fair to a song like that

Change the rules so that if a song is on SCR for a year, then move it to ACR and it will only be eligible for a reset with a 25% increase

I'd say...

• Scrap ACR completely

• Only clicked on songs count towards the charts, autoplay and playlists do not

• One play per account, it's only counted once no matter how many times that account listens to the song

When I downloaded my Spotify data a while ago I noticed they have the information there as to whether a track was clicked on or autoplayed so hopefully there shouldn't be any issues.

But what about your own curated playlists?

1 minute ago, vancey said:

I'd say...

• Scrap ACR completely

• Only clicked on songs count towards the charts, autoplay and playlists do not

• One play per account, it's only counted once no matter how many times that account listens to the song

When I downloaded my Spotify data a while ago I noticed they have the information there as to whether a track was clicked on or autoplayed so hopefully there shouldn't be any issues.

But why shouldn't playlists count? I have my own curated playlist for current hits that's in a specific order, yet only the first song I click on would count and not any of the subsequent tracks I listen to?

Honestly I expect only counting "clicked on" songs would benefit older songs even more as you'd expect people would be more likely to search specifically for Mr Brightside than, for example, On 2nite.

21 minutes ago, JosephStyles said:

But why shouldn't playlists count? I have my own curated playlist for current hits that's in a specific order, yet only the first song I click on would count and not any of the subsequent tracks I listen to?

Honestly I expect only counting "clicked on" songs would benefit older songs even more as you'd expect people would be more likely to search specifically for Mr Brightside than, for example, On 2nite.

There surely can't be many people left who would click on Mr. Brightside for the very first time as per my third rule. Also, if people have made playlists of songs they like then they would also usually have given each track their first click at some point.

If 1 play per account counts we will end up with a number 1 with under 10k sales or even a lot lower 🤣

Sales that low are definitely no indication of whats popular in the country which is the whole point of the chart

If there was only one play per account would that be just for Spotify?

1 hour ago, 777666jason said:

Exactly Pink pony Club took almost 5 years to take off how is it fair to a song like that

Arguably the charts weren’t fair for the first 40 years where once the physical product disappeared from shops it had no chance of charting unless the record company reissued it. With a greater turnover in the charts, radio and streaming would also feature newer fresher content as a consequence. Perhaps pink pony club would not have missed its initial chance in that scenario. I’d favour this to an endlessly static singles chart with minor reshuffling that we have now.

People arnt going to discover new music by listening to a chart thats falsely representative of what it stands for,

Heck rein me in didnt peak until nearly 6 months into its chart run and its been on the chart since its release so people clearly wernt "discovering it from the charts"

Edited Monday at 13:052 days by 777666jason

Maybe get rid of songs after 8 weeks and it keeps dropping in popularity, but allow for older songs to chart if they keep reaching new peaks

1 stream per person instead of 10 streams per person

The genie is out of the bottle now I'm afraid and can't be put back in. As soon as tracks became 1) available forever and 2) free to listen to and that these metrics would contribute to the charts this was always going to be the outcome. When you release a song now you aren't just competing against the hits of the day but all hits of all time. Essentially it lengthens trail off times of hits and removes the urgency of having to buy or own the track. There's little the OCC can do now except to essentially create a chart where something can only chart for X weeks then gets moved off to somewhere else. But that's also artificial. In short it's a hot mess and probably can't be fixed now.

Here's a set of rules that crossed my mind a little while ago:

When a song hasn't reached a new sales (i.e. chart units) peak in three weeks, it gets put on a 'ratio path', where in each continuing week it goes to 1:200, 1:300, 1:600, 1:1200 etc. and stops at a point in which the song would be definitely out of the charts. The song stays on this path regardless of whether it increases or decreases in sales each of these weeks.

However, if a song reaches an all-time new sales peak, or its highest sales record within the last 10 years, it gets completely reset and goes back onto SCR. The idea being that songs that are still on the way 'up' stay in the charts regardless of how long they've been in there, but songs which stick around for ages after peaking will be gone quickly, leaving space for new songs.

Of course the argument against this will be that it's skewing the charts so much that it's not a useful metric any more, which I can't argue against, other than asking what the purpose of the chart actually is for the music industry - is it measuring the levels of success for new songs / artists, or seeing what the most popular songs are even if they're a year or so old?

The alternative would be leaving the charts as they are and 'revamping' the niche charts like the Rock / Dance charts to make success on there a more prestigious thing, so getting into the 'main' chart is less of an event.