People have a duty to put their own self interest first in society Scott, I know I do and I always will, whoever is looking after my wallet the best out of the parties will get my vote and since I have been voting I have found tory policy to be the best one for my wallet and I don't feel guilty about that, my first duty is to myself and my family when it comes to politics and finance, when my family and me are alright I can start thinking of others but my vote will always go to whichever party is putting more money in my wallet

 

..I'm sorry mate, but there's no logic in that... The Tories have always given with one hand but made damn sure they took it with the other... I cant believe that someone as intelligent as yourself can fall for this time and time again... The Nu Labour lot certainly learned a trick or two from the Tories.... I mean, you criticise Labour for taxing you, but really, they only learned how to use Stealth Taxes from the Tories....

I've just spent an hour reading all my election literature. :lol: Good grief. Additiional Member System. Single Transferrable Vote System.

 

PR is brilliant. :lol: I predict total chaos at the polls next week. :P

Easy, go onto the websites of each major party and check their policies and manifestos, vote for the one you agree with after taking an informed decision ^_^

 

Or just vote Lib Dem :cheer:

Not as simple as that Tyron, these are the local elections as Brian has pointed out.

 

I think more promotion is needed for the younger voters. WE'RE CONFUSED :(

 

And they should aim to get people like us on side ^_^ Most of the 18 year olds I know still think Labour means hard work -_-

That is a major problem here.

 

In England it is only for your local council, so it depends more on local issues, just see which ones are offering the best for your area. But bear in mind that they will promise anything to get your vote, then ignore you after they get power. Welcome to politics.

That does sum up the world of politics.

 

Well, the local elections are on Thursday and I haven't seen a single local election leaflet. How am I supposed to vote when I know nothing about the local policies? There was an interesting article on the contrast between the local election and the General Election.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/poli...how/6587825.stm

 

I have no way of knowing which party is going to push for the improvements needed on a local road. Are they all united under one banner? Do each party have a separate option? Same with flytipping. What about local budgets which I also hear very little about? I remember one of the local libraries were closed because of budget cuts but again it is very rare I hear about such things.

 

More money is needed to promote these elections properly, because we can't be expected to find the time to do all these things. Not everyone has the Internet, and the candidates (whoever they are) need to put a lot more work in if they are to get their message across. The General Election as you can see from the article up there is a different ball game.

There's no point us voting though because everyone votes conservative here, and we don't.

 

 

On average in local elections LESS THAN 30% of eligible voters actually vote!!!

 

So no - everyone doesn't vote Conservative ...... they just win because of the apathy of 70% on the electorate :rolleyes:

Local elections are completely different to General elections.

 

The consequences of decisions can often be more keenly felt.

 

Not enough is done to engage or motivate young voters.

 

Part of my school is used as a voting station and it is disheartening to see the trickle of OAPs voting ........

 

..... where are all the 18 year olds clutching their cards - eager to participate in their society???

 

 

 

 

(* I blame the parents, obviously, but I am sure the government will blame the teachers :rofl:*)

well I'm still fence sitting at the moment, only had a couple of leaflets from the Conservatives and Labour so far. I shall dig if I have to before I pop down to the old polling station on Thursday

I can't move for election leaflets. :cry:

Eugh. Thank God I'm not old enough to vote. :D Labour are just awful, I can't stand Brown and our local counsellor is an absolute freak. Conservatives are ok, I like our local MP, David Cameron's a bit of a dick and I dunno who our local consellor is. Lib Dems are just boring. I'd vote for the BNP. :heehee:

People have a duty to put their own self interest first in society

 

:blink: Really? Surely it's best to vote for what's good for the community?

..I'm sorry mate, but there's no logic in that... The Tories have always given with one hand but made damn sure they took it with the other... I cant believe that someone as intelligent as yourself can fall for this time and time again... The Nu Labour lot certainly learned a trick or two from the Tories.... I mean, you criticise Labour for taxing you, but really, they only learned how to use Stealth Taxes from the Tories....

 

 

spot on m8....

:blink: Really? Surely it's best to vote for what's good for the community?

 

I am talking about general elections Ricky, in general elections I vote for whoever is going to be the best for my wallet and reduce my tax burden and provide safety for me and my family

 

Local elections are different it is about local services and about council tax

 

I don't believe in community tbh I believe in helping myself and my family before helping others, if my house is in order then I can think about others but until then, families have a duty to each other so my obligations are to myself and my family not anyone else in the community, sounds selfish but I was always bought up to put family and one's self before society

People have a duty to put their own self interest first in society Scott, I know I do and I always will,

 

 

WHAT???? i cant believe you just said that... surely 'self interest' and 'society' are totally incompatable! typical thatcherite nonsense... self self self... mind you thatcher said there no such thing as society... tw@t.

WHAT???? i cant believe you just said that... surely 'self interest' and 'society' are totally incompatable! typical thatcherite nonsense... self self self... mind you thatcher said there no such thing as society... tw@t.

 

She is right IMHO

 

Society of everyone pulling in to help each other was great during the blitz and so on but it bears no importance in this day and age, I see nothing wrong with what she said and agree with it. I believe in individualism coupled with the importance of families, it is not up to me to help other people it is up to their families to help them it is up to me to ensure the financial security and emotional security of myself and MY family, other families and other individuals are not my problem to put it bluntly. Everyone has a family and it is up to them to help each other.

 

And self interest is indirectly helping other families and other individuals by money I am spending helping to keep locals in jobs

I actually live in the Bethnal Green/Bow Ward and my parents voted for him too, I don't see him holding on next election though. He reminds me very much of Ken Livingstone, very much about himself and ego rather than the politics :puke2:

She is right IMHO

 

Society of everyone pulling in to help each other was great during the blitz and so on but it bears no importance in this day and age, I see nothing wrong with what she said and agree with it. I believe in individualism coupled with the importance of families, it is not up to me to help other people it is up to their families to help them it is up to me to ensure the financial security and emotional security of myself and MY family, other families and other individuals are not my problem to put it bluntly. Everyone has a family and it is up to them to help each other.

 

And self interest is indirectly helping other families and other individuals by money I am spending helping to keep locals in jobs

 

 

thats bollox m8... we arnt a nation of individuals looking out for themselves, we are a society, we live in a community and have to interact with eachother for the greater good. we wouldnt live in cities etc without society, we wouldnt have government, etc.

 

you go on about family, looking after them, but you dont have a family! you are not married, you have no kids.. so im not sure what you are on about there.

 

local or general, the point of the elections are to elect the party that you feel would be best for your community (local) or country (general).... selfishness is not a virtue to uphold, no religion champions selfishness as it is a negative, unattractive trait.

thats bollox m8... we arnt a nation of individuals looking out for themselves, we are a society, we live in a community and have to interact with eachother for the greater good. we wouldnt live in cities etc without society, we wouldnt have government, etc.

 

you go on about family, looking after them, but you dont have a family! you are not married, you have no kids.. so im not sure what you are on about there.

 

local or general, the point of the elections are to elect the party that you feel would be best for your community (local) or country (general).... selfishness is not a virtue to uphold, no religion champions selfishness as it is a negative, unattractive trait.

 

By family I don't mean wife and kids I mean parent, nephews, nieces, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters and so on, there is nothing I would not do for my family but I can not lose sleep at night about whether Doris Green at #87 is getting her hip op done on time as she is part of another family that is not mine, that kind of thing is what I meant. As long as my relatives are well provided for and I am then I am content. I really can not afford to spend my life dwelling about what is happening with my neighbours or others that live in my town.

 

Sorry if that sounds cold hearted but would my neighbours or others in my town give a damn if I ended up down on my luck ? they wouldn't so why should I about them :)

Edited May 1, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

By family I don't mean wife and kids I mean parent, nephews, nieces, aunts and uncles, brothers and sisters and so on, there is nothing I would not do for my family but I can not lose sleep at night about whether Doris Green at #87 is getting her hip op done on time as she is part of another family that is not mine, that kind of thing is what I meant. As long as my relatives are well provided for and I am then I am content. I really can not afford to spend my life dwelling about what is happening with my neighbours or others that live in my town.

 

Sorry if that sounds cold hearted but would my neighbours or others in my town give a damn if I ended up down on my luck ? they wouldn't so why should I about them :)

 

You've just summed up the whole selfish Thatcherite attitude in one and a bit paragraphs.... "Sod you, I'm Okay"... It;s the reason why this country is utterly fukked mate... "No such thing as society" or community.. Yeah, cos if communities actually took control a bit more and empowered and educated themselves, then we eventually wouldn't bloody need a Central Authority dictating to us because we'd all be living in Autonomous co-operatives, the greatest fear of Govts is of an empowered, well educated masses taking control of their own lives... Doris Green at #87 on the waiting list for her hip op is someone's gran mate, could be your gran; 'Doris Green' was my Gran, waiting for an operation for the best part of two fukkin' years during the Thatcher years.... <_< <_< People like you make me sick mate.... Seriously....

You've just summed up the whole selfish Thatcherite attitude in one and a bit paragraphs.... "Sod you, I'm Okay"... It;s the reason why this country is utterly fukked mate... "No such thing as society" or community.. Yeah, cos if communities actually took control a bit more and empowered and educated themselves, then we eventually wouldn't bloody need a Central Authority dictating to us because we'd all be living in Autonomous co-operatives, the greatest fear of Govts is of an empowered, well educated masses taking control of their own lives... Doris Green at #87 on the waiting list for her hip op is someone's gran mate, could be your gran; 'Doris Green' was my Gran, waiting for an operation for the best part of two fukkin' years during the Thatcher years.... <_< <_< People like you make me sick mate.... Seriously....

 

In the example I gave (ficticious elderly neighbour in need of a hip op) what exactly could I do personally ? there is nothing I could do, if it was a member of my family more than likely I would make a sizeable contribution for her to go private) but there is nothing I can do for people in my community who are outside of my family, families have an obligation to take care of their own that's the way I see it.

 

Community and society was great during the war and that kind of thing but it is an out dated concept now, the Ramsay Street culture does not exist now hardly, out of the 4 families immediately around me, the 2 opposite me and 1 either side of me the only conversation I have ever had with any of them was knocking on one of the doors to collect a football, none of them make any effort to converse with me so why should I them ? outside of relations and relatives it is every man for himself out there

I'm glad I don't have to vote yet (doubt I will when I'm old enough anyway). I don't like labour or conservative. And what's the point of voting for another party? It'll be unlikely they'll win.

I'm glad I don't have to vote yet (doubt I will when I'm old enough anyway). I don't like labour or conservative. And what's the point of voting for another party? It'll be unlikely they'll win.

 

Disagree, everyone should vote it is because people stay at home and don't bother voting that parties can get 100+ majorities with 35% of the vote, everyone should cast a vote at the ballot box, no one should have a right to complain about government policy if they themselves sat at home and don't bother voting, that is not aimed at you but at people in general.

 

Stay at home voters are bad for democracy