I'm sure that they are both included toward an artists sales, say for instance if an album has total sales for the week of 100k, is that total inclusive of N Ireland sales as well? My son is arguing with me that they're not. :rolleyes:

I don't think they are...

I'm sure they are, it's the rest of Ireland that isn't.

That's a good question, ShakyFan might be able to shed more light on the matter, as I literally don't know.

Thanks and hopefully someone will shed light on it soon, I'm positive they're both counted as part of the UK though as they are aren't they? just like Wales and Scotland are, it's Eire that's seperate. A bag of liquorice allsorts is resting on me being right. :w00t:

Yes they have to be.. as they are part of the UK and not Ireland... i wonder if they get both UK and Eire TV there, must be strange.

I don't think they are...

 

Of course they are!

 

The chart that counts in Northern Ireland is the UK chart, and new releases are released on a Monday here rather than a Friday which is the case in the rest of Ireland.

 

I don't see why sales from Northern Ireland wouldn't be counted.

Yes they have to be.. as they are part of the UK and not Ireland... i wonder if they get both UK and Eire TV there, must be strange.

 

It's not really strange lol

 

Our primary TV is from the UK, and some people get Eire TV, depends where you live. Some people need a special aerial to pick it up, but most people have it on digital.

Of course they are!

 

The chart that counts in Northern Ireland is the UK chart, and new releases are released on a Monday here rather than a Friday which is the case in the rest of Ireland.

 

I don't see why sales from Northern Ireland wouldn't be counted.

 

Thanks! I knew it had to be as sales in N Ireland are really low as well, they must base their weekly chart on what's the biggest selling in that area, like Wales do but the UK official chart includes all the sales from England, N Ireland, Scotland and Wales, then combines them together. :D

Thanks! I knew it had to be as sales in N Ireland are really low as well, they must base their weekly chart on what's the biggest selling in that area, like Wales do but the UK official chart includes all the sales from England, N Ireland, Scotland and Wales, then combines them together. :D

 

Yeah, although I'm not sure we even have a weekly chart like Scotland and Wales. I've certainly never seen local sales info.

I believe so but only in the last few years. The mags in the 50s/60s, the BBC, BMRB and Gallup all ignored NI. In recent years I believe the OCC has worked on the infrastructure in NI to include it, but I think it depends on the sample used each week as to where is actually incuded in any week.

They sure do- then the George Best tribute EP charted at #21 in it's first week, that was the week when it was released in his native Northern Ireland before the rest of the UK.

sales from Northern Ireland are definitely included in the UK charts.

But what about songs that are released only in Ireland (and not in Great Britain)? I'm surprised that you don't see these charting in the UK based solely on NI sales (an exception being the George Best single mentioned above, but then that was released in GB the following week). Is this due to an issue with barcodes / registering with OCC?

 

On a related note, it appears as though sales from other UK-owned territories (such as Gibraltar, Falkland Islands, British Virgin Islands) do not count towards the chart, and neither do sales from the Channel Islands, but apparently sales from the Isle of Man do count (according to Robbie at least)!

If they are included, how can that be, when Ireland gets new release singles on a Saturday and us on a Monday?

Of course they are!

 

The chart that counts in Northern Ireland is the UK chart, and new releases are released on a Monday here rather than a Friday which is the case in the rest of Ireland.

 

I don't see why sales from Northern Ireland wouldn't be counted.

 

they werent counted up till about 1983/4, there was that show the tube on more4 a few weeks ago and they had a very long report about ni with loads of dodgy 80s indie bands (and the undertones going somewhere between stax and jazz-funk?!?!?) and this was mentioned as part of the report.

 

didnt think much of the show tbh, cant see what the fuss is about

If they are included, how can that be, when Ireland gets new release singles on a Saturday and us on a Monday?

That's the Republic, not Norn Irn.

just wondering do artists usually release different things for ireland and the uk? or do they usually get the same releases/release dates as the UK?

As already stated sales in N Ireland count towards the UK chart, sales in the Republic of Ireland count towards the Irish chart. AFAIK sales here have counted since Gallup took over the compilation of the UK chart in the 1980's

 

New releases are available in NI on Mondays as with the rest of the UK, releases in the Republic actually hit the shelves on Fridays as the Irish chart has a sales week of Friday to Thursday. Practically everything that would get a UK release on a Monday would be available in the Republic 3 days earlier (quite handy for any Northerners living near the border!).

 

As for songs released exclusively in NI - they probably don't sell enough copies to make the Top 75 as the market share is extremely small. Interestingly some singles released in the Republic only have made the UK Top 200. What used to happen in the days before we were left with nothing but HMV, Woolworths and Virgin was that some of the shops in NI would stock singles that were doing well in the Irish chart, especially the likes of Golden Discs which was a southern company with a small number of stores in the north. For example Richie Kavanagh's 1996 Irish number 1 "Aon Focail Eile" reached no 131 in the UK.

 

Finally there was a NI singles chart at one point. Local commercial station Downtown used to broadcast a Top 30 show on Sunday afternoons right before the Network chart show. From what I understand it was compiled by someone from the station ringing around a panel of local shops. Not sure when the chart started (the station began broadcasting circa 1976) but I can remember listening in one week in 1982 as the World Cup Squad from that year were in the chart. The final chart was broadcast in May 1993 when the Bluebells were no 1. Although the chart show was broadcast on a Sunday it seemed to be compiled on a Thursday (certainly from 1988 to the end) as around 9.30 on a Thursday evening they would have a chart preview playing that weeks entries and high climbers and counting down the Top 10 playing the no 1 just ahead of the 10 o'clock news.

Thanks for clearing that up and for all the information Shaky Fan, much appreciated and my son owes me a bag of liquorice allsorts now. :D