January 24, 200817 yr Since Soulja Boy was No2 (I believe) in the Christmas chart - and the fact that January usually sees sh!t songs being released - probably. After all, if this can outsell this 4-1, who knows? The cat song would be regarded as a novelty song and will probably get to no.1 in the ringtone chart at least
January 24, 200817 yr Scottish teenager who could not sing to save his life. :lol: What exactly is your problem with him being Scottish? Is it relevant? no, so give it a rest
January 24, 200817 yr What was flat eric?? Was he a muppet or what? Those Levi adverts were so odd. He had this bizarre relationship with this guy he hung around with.
January 24, 200817 yr I quite like Basshunter, lyrically it's not a masterpiece, but the beat is good, but I don't think it deserves 3+ weeks at number one :( I love how Leon has been mentioned too :rofl:
January 24, 200817 yr What exactly is your problem with him being Scottish? Is it relevant? no, so give it a rest :angry: As a music fan whose record collection includes albums from the likes of (off the top of my head) Travis, Franz Ferdinand, Simple Minds, Teenage Fanclub, Belle and Sebastian, Texas, Primal Scream, KT Tunstall, Amy MacDonald, Darius, Big Country, Runrig, The Fratellis then I find your attitude incredibly offensive. But seeing how Leon Jackson won a so called talent show largely thanks to a Nationalistic attitude from north of the border encouraged by the greed of Simon Cowell to encouraging people to vote for him on nationalistic grounds. Even Alex Salmon hailed his victory the day after as "a great victory for Scotland". So I think my comments regarding his nationality are very relevant, just as much as the complete joke when Michelle McManus won. But to be fair to her she could at least always sing in tune and had a personality. To both KT Tunstall & Amy MacDonald's credit they have both correctly criticised his victory. Call me old fashioned, but I like to see talented people win talent competitions (this is precisely why I wanted Darius Danesh to win Pop Idol 1), not karaoke singers with sob stories who are not even good enough to work on a local pub/club circuit, who have an unprofessional attitude like going out celebrating their birthday with alcohol, then pulling out of performing at Hogmanay celebrations the following day because they've wrecked their voice. I am certainly not anti-Scottish, but I cannot abide the Scottish attitude to Football or Rugby tournaments who would rather see any other nation than England win.
January 24, 200817 yr :angry: But seeing how Leon Jackson won a so called talent show largely thanks to a Nationalistic attitude from north of the border encouraged by the greed of Simon Cowell to encouraging people to vote for him on nationalistic grounds. Even Alex Salmon hailed his victory the day after as "a great victory for Scotland". So I think my comments regarding his nationality are very relevant, just as much as the complete joke when Michelle McManus won. But to be fair to her she could at least always sing in tune and had a personality. Show me any proof that he won due to "nationalistic voting"? surely if that were true then Same Difference would have won easily given the much larger population England has? And if this "nationalistic voting" that you believe is so prevalent then surely every talent show winner would be a Scot? You are the one being offensive - had Leon been pakistani, black or any other nationality would you have mentioned it? No, I don't think so I don't have a problem with you not liking him, I'm no fan either but using his nationality against him is racist and completely unnecessary To both KT Tunstall & Amy MacDonald's credit they have both correctly criticised his victory. They haven't criticised him for being Scottish Call me old fashioned, but I like to see talented people win talent competitions (this is precisely why I wanted Darius Danesh to win Pop Idol 1), not karaoke singers with sob stories who are not even good enough to work on a local pub/club circuit, who have an unprofessional attitude like going out celebrating their birthday with alcohol, then pulling out of performing at Hogmanay celebrations the following day because they've wrecked their voice. Those are all valid points - the fact that he is Scottish is not Edited January 24, 200817 yr by ManicKangaroo
January 25, 200817 yr I am amazed by what the public will buy many times, UK and US. Charts all over, for that matter. It doesn't even seem like quality even matters anymore, just how much airplay/promotion you can get. I mean, some great stuff still charts well, but some c**p charts along with it. The fact that Leon got #1 is disgusting, because let's face it, it wouldn't have even dented the top 200 if it wasn't for X Factor because it's just a very poor song. Though, I will admit, artists like Feist would not have gotten the attention they have now without adverts, so it's kind of a bittersweet thing. But I do believe with the right promotion pretty much anything can chart, the more promotion the higher it gets, no matter how bad of a song it is.
January 25, 200817 yr Nope, it would have been lower...the week after xmas was the biggest singles sales week for decades in the UK The week AFTER? Really? I thought that was always famous for being the 'Iron Maiden' week. Oh well, I guess everyone got iTunes vouchers for Chrimbo then.
January 25, 200817 yr And if this "nationalistic voting" that you believe is so prevalent then surely every talent show winner would be a Scot? Acutally, wouldn't they be English? Let's look at the stats: Population of England: 50,762,900 Population of Scotland: 5,116,900 Population of Wales: 2,958,600 Population of Northern Ireland: 1,710,300 (With the exception of Northern Ireland - which came from 2004 - these were all estimates in 2006.) As you can see, there's five times as many people in England as in the rest of the United Kingdom combined. (Mind you, this doesn't differentiate between, for example, Scots living in England.)
January 25, 200817 yr Show me any proof that he won due to "nationalistic voting"? surely if that were true then Same Difference would have won easily given the much larger population England has? Try Music Week's report January 7th: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=60479 Jackson is 74% ahead of Soulja Boy (18,426 sales) at the top of the chart nationally but in his native Scotland, where Leona Lewis is number two, he leads his X Factor predecessor by a huge 1131%. Singles 01 Leon Jackson 32,098 02 Soulja Boy 18,426 03 Leona Lewis 17.883 So in the UK as a whole Leon sold just 174 records for every 100 that Soulja Boy sold, yet in Scotland he sold 1231 records for every 100 that Leona sold. I really don't need to add any more, as it is not unreasonable to assume that the phone voting went to a similar voting pattern which is why the largely London b(i)ased media and bookmakers never saw this his victory coming. You are the one being offensive - had Leon been pakistani, black or any other nationality would you have mentioned it? No, I don't think so I don't have a problem with you not liking him, I'm no fan either but using his nationality against him is racist and completely unnecessary They haven't criticised him for being Scottish Those are all valid points - the fact that he is Scottish is not Wrong again. (Annoyingly from a proof point of view DigitalSpy only keep their last 9 pages showing in their X-Factor forum, but there was a thread set up for all the artists/people who criticised Leon Jackson in the wake of his victory with all the quotes and their original news link references): http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...58648&st=40 KT Tunstall (in some interview when promoting her Christmas download only album) "Leon winning X Factor is an embarrassment to Scotland. I'm ashamed of my compatriots who voted for him just because of his nationality when he clearly was not the best singer in the finals by a long, long margin....", Vocal coaches to the stars Carrie & David Grant "he has a nice tone to his voice, but is range is limited & is vocally weak outside of his comfort zone. And he needs to do some serious work to be able to consistently sing in key and in time..."; Melanie C "(laughing) Victoria & Geri are better singers than he is", Former Fame Academy "headmaster" & former head of Universal records A&R in the UK and fellow Scot Richard Park "Leon winning ahead of Rhydian, is probably the biggest miscarriage in the history of British TV talent shows. And I would include going way back to Opportunity Knocks & New Faces. It would be tragic if it was not so hilarious..." So as KT Tunstall specifically made a reference to his nationality; and Richard Park's last sentence is a clear reference (when he appeared in December on Radio5 Live's very funny Fighting Talk every Saturday at 11am) to his nationality as he found it funny that he won. I think YOU are the one who should be apologising to ME. At the end of the day, U2 come from Dublin in Ireland, so it is not unreasonable to call them Irish Rock legends; Arcade Fire come from Montreal in Canada so it is not unreasonable to call them Canadian Art-rockers; the Manic Street Preachers come from Blackwood, Caerphilly, Wales so it is not unreasonable to describe them as Welsh Indie Rockers; etc. The reason I "insulted" Leon Jackson is that I think he has little talent and his victory and success were completely undeserved. Hell I even bought Scottish musician and ex-member of the Scottish indie-folk band Arab Strap Malcolm Middleton's We're All Going To Die" in protest. It has sweet FA to do with where he comes from, if he was English, Welsh, Irish, I would have slaughtered him just the same for his lack of charisma, vocal skills/range, stage presence and personality. In the same way that I have slaughtered the likes of Irish boy band Westlife every time they have released a cover as a single; English third-rate Steps tribute act Scooch for outrageously defeating French chanteuse Cyndi to represent the UK at the Eurovision Song Contest; American heiress turned Reality TV star, turned Pop star Paris Hilton who still sounded like a drugged up Gwen Stefani using auto-tune; ex-Atomic Kitten member Kerry Katona turned annoying scouse media whore; etc.... So does the fact that I have been derogatory towards the likes of Westlife, Scooch, Paris Hilton, Kerry Katona make me racist towards the Irish, garish manufactured pop groups with a large gay following, American's who go through more money in a day than I'll ever earn in a year; Merseysiders? The answer is of course no, as I am merely expressing my critique opinion of my utter contempt for their contributions to the fabric of society which are on a par with a Turkey twizzler being compared to an expensive 3 course gourmet meal at a fancy restaurant. Lastly, if you think my comments were racist, well for future reference maybe you should try using the correct terminology, as the word you were looking for is xenophobic as you have interpreted that I was being derogatory to their place of birth not to their ancestry.
January 26, 200817 yr I really don't need to add any more, as it is not unreasonable to assume that the phone voting went to a similar voting pattern Is it? I disagree - and your (and whoever else's) assumptions are not proof Former Fame Academy "headmaster" & former head of Universal records A&R in the UK and fellow Scot Richard Park "Leon winning ahead of Rhydian, is probably the biggest miscarriage in the history of British TV talent shows. And I would include going way back to Opportunity Knocks & New Faces. It would be tragic if it was not so hilarious..." Richard Park's last sentence is a clear reference (when he appeared in December on Radio5 Live's very funny Fighting Talk every Saturday at 11am) to his nationality as he found it funny that he won. I think YOU are the one who should be apologising to ME. You must be seeing something I don't as Richard Park has made no mention of nationality in that quote What do I have to apologise to you for? Plus I never actually asked you to apologise, just to stop using Leon's nationality as a negative point The reason I "insulted" Leon Jackson is that I think he has little talent and his victory and success were completely undeserved. Hell I even bought Scottish musician and ex-member of the Scottish indie-folk band Arab Strap Malcolm Middleton's We're All Going To Die" in protest. It has sweet FA to do with where he comes from, if he was English, Welsh, Irish, I would have slaughtered him just the same for his lack of charisma, vocal skills/range, stage presence and personality. In the same way that I have slaughtered the likes of Irish boy band Westlife every time they have released a cover as a single; English third-rate Steps tribute act Scooch for outrageously defeating French chanteuse Cyndi to represent the UK at the Eurovision Song Contest; American heiress turned Reality TV star, turned Pop star Paris Hilton who still sounded like a drugged up Gwen Stefani using auto-tune; ex-Atomic Kitten member Kerry Katona turned annoying scouse media whore; etc.... If you had read my post properly you would see that I have no problem with you attacking his lack of talent - that's your prerogative - my only problem was with you bringing his nationality into it So does the fact that I have been derogatory towards the likes of Westlife, Scooch, Paris Hilton, Kerry Katona make me racist towards the Irish, garish manufactured pop groups with a large gay following, American's who go through more money in a day than I'll ever earn in a year; Merseysiders? Only if you deliberately used their nationality as an insult against them The answer is of course no, as I am merely expressing my critique opinion of my utter contempt for their contributions to the fabric of society which are on a par with a Turkey twizzler being compared to an expensive 3 course gourmet meal at a fancy restaurant. Again, as I have mentioned a few times already, although you seem to be conveniently ignoring it, that is a valid criticisim that I have no problem with Lastly, if you think my comments were racist, well for future reference maybe you should try using the correct terminology, as the word you were looking for is xenophobic as you have interpreted that I was being derogatory to their place of birth not to their ancestry. well excuse me
January 26, 200817 yr Is it? I disagree - and your (and whoever else's) assumptions are not proof You must be seeing something I don't as Richard Park has made no mention of nationality in that quote In the December 22nd edition of Radio 5 Live's Fighting Talk during the Any Other Business round, contestant British TV presenter Gabby Logan (born Gabby Yorath), who was a former Welsh international gymnast and whose father was the former manager of the Welsh National Football team brought up the shock X-Factor Final result (something she can clearly appreciate having been outrageously voted out of Strictly Come Dancing early in week 4 when she was one of the favourites and best dancers, yet her husband former Scottish Rugby Union international Kenny Logan who was one of two worst dancers of the series along with Kate Garraway made it to the last five) where her fellow national compatriot lost to the compatriot of fellow Fighting Talk contestant Richard Park. Hence Richard Park replied with his "critique" where he gave his considered opinion on Leon's talent. But then added his tag line on the end clearly inferring how funny it was that a national of his had won the show at the expense of a national of Gabby's. Still Fighting Show is a very humourous, topical and at times satirical show currently hosted by Northern Irish born broadcaster Colin Murray, where at the introduction of each show contestants get their own stereotypical regional theme music, for example Welsh contestants get the sound of a (presumably Welsh) choir with sheep noises over the top of it; Irish contestants get fiddle music; and Scottish contestants including regulars Richard Park, Dougie Anderson, Ian Robertson, Hazel Irvine & journalist Alan Massie get baggie pie music; London based contestants get the Only Fools and Horses Theme; Mancunian contestants get the Coronation Street theme; Scouse contestants get the Brookside theme; Geordies (i.e. when Peter Beardsley appeared) get Gazza's version of Fog On The Tyme; etc. Take a piece of advice, either get a sense of humour or don't bother replying to my posts.
January 26, 200817 yr Take a piece of advice, either get a sense of humour or don't bother replying to my posts. I have a perfectly good sense of humour thank you Why don't you take a piece of advice and stop being so patronising And I shall reply to your posts as often as I choose to - thats my prerogative as a member of this forum Edited January 26, 200817 yr by ManicKangaroo
January 26, 200817 yr Author How do such utter spam threads be allowed to get this far? I am amazed by what the public will buy many times, UK and US. Charts all over, for that matter. It doesn't even seem like quality even matters anymore, just how much airplay/promotion you can get. I mean, some great stuff still charts well, but some c**p charts along with it. The fact that Leon got #1 is disgusting, because let's face it, it wouldn't have even dented the top 200 if it wasn't for X Factor because it's just a very poor song. But I do believe with the right promotion pretty much anything can chart, the more promotion the higher it gets, no matter how bad of a song it is. its not a spam thread - its a comment on the fact it seems that utter morons will buy/download any c**p that gets loads of airplay - yeah its an 'satire/opinion' on these long running hits of dodgy quality like nickelback, cascada, et al!!!
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