Does anyone know how each chart is compiled?

 

And what is the difference? - And most importantly, what is more important?

The BBC one is the official chart - the Hit40 chart shares the top 10 with the official chart but the rest of the chart is more based on airplay.

 

I would say the BBC chart is more important.

BBC is official sales, and what has been used for 50 years by the record industry

Hit40, is a commerical rival, with added airplay, the top 10 is the same, (was the top 3)

BBC is official sales, and what has been used for 50 years by the record industry

Hit40, is a commerical rival, with added airplay, the top 10 is the same, (was the top 3)

 

Ok so say, just being really hypothetical..

 

I managed to get Number 41 on the Official Charts.

But with enough airplay, I could possibly up a place/(s) depending on my Airplay?

 

Is this counted by all the local stations around the UK?

Or just certain ones?

 

Cheers.

Ok so say, just being really hypothetical..

 

I managed to get Number 41 on the Official Charts.

But with enough airplay, I could possibly up a place/(s) depending on my Airplay?

 

Is this counted by all the local stations around the UK?

Or just certain ones?

 

Cheers.

 

 

It's all airplay including the BBC.

It's all airplay including the BBC.

it's not all. The airplay data used for Hit 40 is only airplay at the stations that broadcast the chart, so it doesn't include any BBC stations or quite a few commercial stations too.

it's not all. The airplay data used for Hit 40 is only airplay at the stations that broadcast the chart, so it doesn't include any BBC stations or quite a few commercial stations too.

 

Really. So why do we have an Airplay Chart then (which I assume includes the Beeb network as well as commercial airplay too) - and why doesn't the Hit 40 use all airplay data from that chart? Airplay is airplay. what's the point of a chart if the data is going to be cherry-picked :unsure:

 

It doesn't really matter anyway because the top 10 is the same as the official chart. Just curious.

Edited October 16, 200816 yr by munchkin

I always understood that the Hit40 chart was made up of Sales and Airplay from Commercial Radio stations, that were part of their group. I'm sure it has never included airplay by the BBC Radio stations.

Really. So why do we have an Airplay Chart then (which I assume includes the Beeb network as well as commercial airplay too) - and why doesn't the Hit 40 use all airplay data from that chart? Airplay is airplay. what's the point of a chart if the data is going to be cherry-picked :unsure:

 

It doesn't really matter anyway because the top 10 is the same as the official chart. Just curious.

There's the main airplay chart that Martin posts here, that includes all stations in the UK that opt to have their airplay monitored - that chart includes plays on Radio 1 & 2 as well as XFM, Kiss, Galaxy, Absolute (Virgin) Radio as well as all the local radio stations.

 

The selling point of the Hit 40 chart is that it only uses airplay from stations that broadcast the chart and it has always done this, back to when it launched as the Network Chart in 1984. It was supposed to bring the listener closer to the chart as it would "play the songs you buy and the songs you listen to on (insert name of a local radio station)" - that was the tag line that was used in the first year of the Network Chart, Kid Jensen would name check some of the stations that were carrying the chart by using that tagline

 

As it happens, I've been working on a combined sales and airplay chart (including all airplay) over the last few weeks, and I'll be posting it soon. Pretty interesting, and there's already been a few different number ones.

As it happens, I've been working on a combined sales and airplay chart (including all airplay) over the last few weeks, and I'll be posting it soon. Pretty interesting, and there's already been a few different number ones.

I'd be interested in seeing this. What formula do you use and do you use actual sales and audience impressions?

 

I seem to recall, when I listened to Pepsi Chart in the late 90's (now Hit 40) that the really huge airplay hits could get to No.11 before release, the top ten must have been the same as the OCC then too

 

I remember Lou Bega jumping 11-1 on Hit 40, the week it went 31-1 on the official chart when the UK version replaced the import version

I seem to recall, when I listened to Pepsi Chart in the late 90's (now Hit 40) that the really huge airplay hits could get to No.11 before release, the top ten must have been the same as the OCC then too

 

I remember Lou Bega jumping 11-1 on Hit 40, the week it went 31-1 on the official chart when the UK version replaced the import version

I think it changed from the top 10 being the same to just the top 3 in about 2002. Then when downloads started to count they went back to the top 10 being the same. Before 1993/4 the Network / Nescafe / whatever it was called by then chart had a different compiler and no part of the chart was the same.

 

Even now, the big airplay hits often sit at #11 or #12 for weeks once they drop out of the main top 10

 

I seem to recall, when I listened to Pepsi Chart in the late 90's (now Hit 40) that the really huge airplay hits could get to No.11 before release, the top ten must have been the same as the OCC then too

 

I remember Lou Bega jumping 11-1 on Hit 40, the week it went 31-1 on the official chart when the UK version replaced the import version

 

They keep changing what they use of the Top 40. It used to be Top 10 years ago, then they changed it to Top 5, then Top 3 and now they're back to Top 10 again.

 

I don't think its a true reflection of public opinion on Hit40 either as its the Station bosses which decide what will be played and what won't.

They keep changing what they use of the Top 40. It used to be Top 10 years ago, then they changed it to Top 5, then Top 3 and now they're back to Top 10 again.

 

I don't think its a true reflection of public opinion on Hit40 either as its the Station bosses which decide what will be played and what won't.

 

 

That goes for the Beeb and other stations too though Val.

 

Thanks for all the information folks and I look forward to seeing your chart TomKay :D

That goes for the Beeb and other stations too though Val.

 

You're right Munchkin. I have no faith whatsoever in any Radio Station. They can make or break an artist and frequently do.

 

I'll post my chart as soon as possible after the official chart is revealed next sunday, along with a full explanation of methodology and a brief catch-up/history section.

BBC is official sales, and what has been used for 50 years by the record industry

Hit40, is a commerical rival, with added airplay, the top 10 is the same, (was the top 3)

 

So, in conclusion, it's a chart where numbers 1-10 are compiled using a different basis than numbers 11-40, which in my book makes it completely meaningless.

So, in conclusion, it's a chart where numbers 1-10 are compiled using a different basis than numbers 11-40, which in my book makes it completely meaningless.

Absolutely meaningless is correct. I never supported it at all. The Independant Radio Network messed up terribly with their chart, when they dumped the MRIB Network Chart in August 1993. David Jensen was dumped for Neil Fox. Independant Radio has produced an alternative chart to the BBC`s since April 1978. This was more sales based until that fateful Sunday in 1993. They have always included some airplay in the chart. Originally it was Sales/Airplay around 75/25, but just sales were used for the top 30 (which was compiled on Friday mornings as a top 120). When the Network Chart appeared in September 1984, the whole top 30 was a combination of sales/airplay (at 70/30). This was better and much ahead of Radio One (who were still announcing their new top 40, on Tuesday Lunchtimes with Gary Davies).

 

Hit40uk was known as the Pepsi Chart during the 1993 period onwards until 2003, when it was then sponsored by Woolworths, and just the top 3 was then sales only, and the 4 - 40 airplay too. The chart now as "Hit40uk", with Lucio is a total unprincipaled view of Independant Radio Stations playlists (that are virtually the same the UK over). Public opinion has nothing to do with the chart compilation. Its 50/50 sales and airplay.

 

However, since 1994 it has had mostly more listeners than Radio One. This changed in 2004, when the Emap Group launched the Smash Hits Chart with Mark Goodier (and later the excellent Robin Banks). Smash Hits Chart was better because it tried to be weeks ahead, and indeed had a few number ones, nearly a month before Radio One. In mid 2005 the Smash Hits Chart compilation changed, and it became very similar to Hit40uk, except it was compiled by former Network Chart compilers MRIB.

 

Between January 04 - October 06, Radio One was again getting the most listeners (not due to presenters, but because some Independant Radio Stations were not taking Hit40uk). Hit40uk became leader of the listeners again, after Oct 2006. However Independant Radio always have a problem because they would never be allowed to broacast the full "Official Top 40". But they could actually employ another market researcher, to compile a more sales based chart for them (like they did with Record Business Magazine 1978-81, and MRIB 1981-93). Although they are now, reluctant to do so. The Official Chart is compiled by MILWARD BROWN (the research team, not the OCC themselves). Independant Radio could employ someone like GALLUP, or even the British Market Research Bureau, to do one for them. Why don`t they?...the guess is money. Asides that they could even try to be more ahead, by using pre-orders (like our very own Fresh Hits Chart).

 

Arguably today, Hit40uk is a better programme because it doesn`t have a couple of "nob ends" presenting it. When all is said though, it is a boring chart because airplay on Independant Radio still features the likes of One Republic, and songs like "Apologise". What the hell are Independant Radio still playing a song from last October for? Sometimes songs stay at number 11, for weeks on end. This is largely due to the number 11, being the most played (non top ten) song on Independant Radio

Arguably today, Hit40uk is a better programme because it doesn`t have a couple of "nob ends" presenting it. When all is said though, it is a boring chart because airplay on Independant Radio still features the likes of One Republic, and songs like "Apologise". What the hell are Independant Radio still playing a song from last October for?

 

This paragraph somes up things perfectly. I still don't understand why Fearne & Reggie present the chart show as it would be like Piers Morgan & Jeremy Clarkson commentating on Match Of The Day due to their frequently inaccurate, ill-informed unresearched opinionated manner they "present" the show. And as for Independent Radio Playlists aaaarrrrrggghhhh......