No.3 the sats have no vocal talent, does anyone remember the them forgetting their lyrics on their performances last year? Hello? Compare that to the world class performance of TP at the BRITS! GA literally stole the show right from the start, and honestly if you don't agree you MUST be deluded. :/

LMFAO! I'm sorry to say this Kath, but you're the one who's deluded with the above "point"...

 

Girls Aloud - The Promise (Live Lounge)

 

The Saturdays - Up (Live Lounge)

 

Hmmm... I know who I prefer Live...

GA world class performance at the BRITs? :lol:!

So, who's with me in thinking Kath is actually some sort of automated robot parody? This sh!t cannot be for real...

*Hand up*

 

Beyond blind.

 

As somebody who likes all 3 of the girlbands and doesn't really have any sort of loyalty per se to any of them, I can stand back impartially and say that Chasing Lights is the best album of the 3. The reason GA sold tonnes more is because they had a lot of hype this time around, Cheryl being on X-Factor week-in, week-out no doubt helped also and outsold The Saturdays because they're a well established act and are undoubtedly the nations sweethearts. Much in the same way that when Girls Aloud first formed the Sugababes were in Girls Alouds current position, and many considered Girls Aloud (and many still do...) to be a second rate Sugababes. Not my opinion, by quite some way, but a lot of people do see it like that.

 

As for The Saturdays not being able to sing, I completely disagree with that. I watched 3 acapella videos of The Saturdays singing Up, Just Can't Get Enough and Issues to a group of kids for some Comic Relief thing, completely unrehearsed just straight off the bat. As much as I love Girls Aloud they do have some Godawful singers, they're all quite hit and miss. Sarah is cringeworthy in every sense of the word, my hatred for that girl is well documented. :lol: Cheryl isn't THAT bad, but as I said can be hit and miss. Kimberley is atrocious in my opinion, i'm sorry I just haven't heard her hit one note live, Nadine and Nicola are where the vocal talent lies. Oh and please don't patronise me by posting videos of them singing to try and prove me wrong, i've been a Girls Aloud fan long enough and seen enough live performances to form a valid opinion (including them on tour, which i'll be seeing again in May by the way :P ).

 

Sugababes (in my unbiased opinion...) have gone a bit "off the boil" as of late, I only liked a handful of tracks on their latest album (same can be said for Girls Aloud too really) but I thought Chasing Lights was a great album, bubblegum pop at it's best. From C&S I only liked Girls, No Can Do and You On A Good Day, from Out Of Control I only liked The Promise, The Loving Kind (which admittedly, I adore), Love Is Pain and Turn To Stone. Whereas from Chasing Lights I would be better off listing the tracks that I don't like.

 

In conclusion... As a fan of all 3, I understand that they all have their strengths and weaknesses but for me The Saturdays' album trumps both Girls Aloud and Sugababes.

 

Oh and I just want to hit that point about Taylor Swift - I don't quite see what she has done wrong? She's a teenage girl, writes her own music, always sings live, works very hard and is incredibly successful. Sure her music isn't groundbreaking, nor is her songwriting, it's nothing new in terms of defining her genre or whatnot, she's an inoffensive country artist who does seem very intelligent and very grounded from the interviews i've seen from her.

What baffles me to be honest is how a GA fan is unable to like The Saturdays or vice versa, the music isnt all that different.

 

The Sats have no vocal talent? WTF? No, im not saying they have the best voices in the world, but Vanessa's vocal power is so much stronger and poweful if you compare it to most of Girls Aloud's.

This topic is so boring. Okay, the song is rubbish, and it got to #2, which is only one place away from #1, which I think is VERY good. + If you ask me, most of todays Girl Groups are as bad as eachother..

Great post Kelly. Completely agree. I have no loyalty towards any of the 3 girlbands but recognise Chasing Lights is easily the best album out of all their current releases.

 

In terms of singers, The Saturdays has Vanessa who is amazing, Una and Rochelle who are great, Frankie is decent and Mollie is quite poor. Sugababes has Keisha who is amazing, Amelle who is good and Heidi who is hit and miss. Girls Aloud has Nadine and Nicola who are great, Sarah who is hit and miss, Cheryl who is ok and Kimberley who is poor. They're all my opinions anyway. :)

I can't add anything more after Kellys brilliant post.

 

LMFAO! I'm sorry to say this Kath, but you're the one who's deluded with the above "point"...

 

Girls Aloud - The Promise (Live Lounge)

 

The Saturdays - Up (Live Lounge)

 

Hmmm... I know who I prefer Live...

 

Can i add to the party:

 

Sugababes - About You Now (Live Lounge) - Keisha and Heidi were both pretty ill with the the flu for this

 

Yet it still owns GA, even if two of them were ill.

 

And the worst thing i have ever heard that has come out of the live lounge was the With Every Heartbeat cover by GA, that was just painful.

Edited March 14, 200916 yr by The Fear

As someone who generally hates manufactured pop music specifically made for brainless masses, I can say that the Girls Aloud album is EASILY the best of the three. =/ Are you kidding me? Chasing Lights and Catfights and Spotfights are both vile albums, Catfights being one of the absolute worst and uninspired releases of 2008. Chasing Lights is a sloppily put together jumbled mess of songs that genuinely are not that catchy nor creative by any means. At least the Girls Aloud album has some coherence and spark to it...

 

Sugababes and GA have really crossed paths imo. Sugababes have gone downhill since Angels with Dirty Faces (amaze) and Girls Aloud seem to be getting better with each release.

 

I don't give a damn if the Saturdays can sing or not (they probably can tbh), that does not change the fact their album is a bit $h!t. A good voice does not mean a good album by any stretch of the imagination.

 

And I honestly dunno about any of these people in real life. Cheryl sounds a bit vile. I don't really care, but from a completely objective view the Girls Aloud album is easily the best of the three (besides GOD awful art)

 

And I'm by no means an obsessive GA fanboy obviously. :/ So don't even try lawlz.

^ I completely agree with the above post. And what's so ironic is that two of the Sugababes forum mods are amongst a few labelling me as GA loon, slagging GA and praising the Babes. Uhm? If a number of people agree with me on the quality of Chasing Lights in comparison to the quality of OOC, it would infact come across as my personal opinion of The Sats, and therefore cross out the GA loon stereotype or ''automated parody'' as some of you say I am. :lol: I'm just the arguementative, dramatic type. And I have nothing personal against any of you, I actually am fond of y'all, Phil, Jark etc. So please don't take me the wrong way and think I'm just another delusional GA loon who just wants to cause another 'whose the best girl group debate', because i'm not and it's just my personal opinion with no ulterior motives. I love GA, and can't stand The Sats and that's it. So whereever I disagree with something I will infact reflect this in a post whether the whole world agrees with me or not ..

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

You're actually being serioius with that one aren't you....? Oh come on mate... Taylor makes Avril Laveigne look like KATE BUSH......

 

Actually, you wanna talk about seriously talented teenagers....? Doesn't come any better than Kate back in the day.. And Robert Smith was 16 when he formed The Cure, and about 17/18 when he wrote the legendary, classic, heartfelt paeon to lost love "Boys Dont Cry", still an incredible song 30 years on.... So, tell me what Taylor Swift or Miley Cyrus have done that can compare with that or the Mighty Bush's "Wuthering Heights" or "Babooska", hmmmmmm......? :rolleyes:

 

I somehow cant see Taylor Swift being remembered in the same way as Smith or Bush.....

 

spot on scott :)

 

SO?

 

Grimly, you appear to live in your own sorry world whereby if the big-sellers of today don't leave behind the same legacy as those of thirty years ago, they're talentless failures. Taylor Swift is still a teenager, the majority of her songs are written solely by her - it's hella rare to find that in mainstream pop - she plays guitar, she sings perfectly live. Of course she's more bloody talented than Avril Lavigne.

 

eh?.... but avril plays and performs live her own material... she out-performed madonna on totp some years ago , madge mimed, avril played and sang acoustic a solo piece..

 

taylor swift might have some talent, but to date shes done nothing i like. unlike avril.

 

 

PLEASE tell me you have actually heard The Saturdays live before saying "none of the Sats girls even have a decent voice"? Also have you actually listened to 'Chasing Lights' properly? The album that MANY people (not just on this forum -_-, look beyond) have claimed to be better than both GA's and SB's albums.

 

ill give you that, the saturdays can perform live and ive heard several examples of this. credit where its due.

 

however.... the video is pretty bad really, watching on mtv yesterday a run down of the greatest comic relief releases highlighted what the saturdays have got wrong. to start with, they are showing far too much flesh, its for CHILDREN in need and is sending out the wrong message. unlike other releases theres no humour, its chilish, pathetic, their attempts. other great cr releases had scores of well known celebs contributing, the sats have used it as a self promotional excercise... wrong!

 

ok, they sang live last night, and surprisingly frankie was the best!

SO?

 

Grimly, you appear to live in your own sorry world whereby if the big-sellers of today don't leave behind the same legacy as those of thirty years ago, they're talentless failures. Taylor Swift is still a teenager, the majority of her songs are written solely by her - it's hella rare to find that in mainstream pop - she plays guitar, she sings perfectly live. Of course she's more bloody talented than Avril Lavigne.

 

That boldened part I agree with at least... Indeed, it IS rare to find someone who can actually write songs in mainstream pop, which says a LOT about the genre generally if you ask me.. But it doesn't stop them from being the WORST kind of cheesy, cliched Dolly Parton/Tammy Wynette-lite slop though does it....? :rolleyes: :lol:

 

Yes, I'll admit it, I by and large fukkin' HATE Country and Western music, I just cannot take it seriously at the best of times..... Only one or two CW acts have made me sit up and take notice over the years, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson and (some) Nanci Griffith.. The rest of it can pretty much just be nails down a black board to me....

 

But if Taylor Swift does manage to come up with some equivalent of "Hounds of Love" or "The Sensual World" somewhere down the line, I'll admit I was wrong....

spot on scott :)

eh?.... but avril plays and performs live her own material... she out-performed madonna on totp some years ago , madge mimed, avril played and sang acoustic a solo piece..

 

taylor swift might have some talent, but to date shes done nothing i like. unlike avril.

ill give you that, the saturdays can perform live and ive heard several examples of this. credit where its due.

 

however.... the video is pretty bad really, watching on mtv yesterday a run down of the greatest comic relief releases highlighted what the saturdays have got wrong. to start with, they are showing far too much flesh, its for CHILDREN in need and is sending out the wrong message. unlike other releases theres no humour, its chilish, pathetic, their attempts. other great cr releases had scores of well known celebs contributing, the sats have used it as a self promotional excercise... wrong!

 

ok, they sang live last night, and surprisingly frankie was the best!

it's for comic relief not CIN

oh don't be so over dramatic.

 

Compared to the rest of her generation who are currently stabbing each other she is a very talented individual.

 

Taylor Swift is a country artist, not a pop artist. She is a talented country signer who is in a completely different genre to The Cure and Kate Bush.

 

And why are you bringing Miley Cyrus into this? She barely has more talent than GA

 

The genre might be different, but I'm approaching it from the angle of them all being examples of teenage singer/songwriters..... The point being, that if Taylor Swift is considered the "best" of her generation, well, what the fukk does that say....? I'm sorry man, what I've heard is just Cheesy Country and Western Americana of the worst kind.... Of course there's a market for that sort of thing, there's still plenty of sad, Stetson-wearing Line Dancing "cowboys" out there who get all misty eyed to "Stand By Your Man" or "Jolene", now that Tammy Wynette and Dolly Parton's pretty much gone, well, I suppose they need a "nu" Dolly or "nu" Tammy dont they.....? :rolleyes:

 

Obviously Miley Cyrus is similarly as useless as GA/Sats, but again, she's being overhyped.... Pretty obvious to me Miley only got where she is because of Daddy Billy Ray...... :rolleyes: Of course, she wasn't even first pick for Hannah Montana anyway, was she....? :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

it's for comic relief not CIN

 

Either Rob was saying in general that it was for children who were in need of help or charity, or he was saying it with reference to the actual charity, what he wrote could be interepreted either way to be fair, and Comic Relief IS mainly about kids as well isn't it.....? That was certainly the main focus of last night's Telethon....

 

 

Colm down people ^_^

 

Everyone has its own favourite girlband, and sentences like "GA album is easily the best" or "SB have obviously the best voices" won't help and won't make people change their opnion. 70% of those statements are biased and based on preferences, so just accept people have different opinion/taste.

GA are my fav, I think they're the best by a huge margin, but I won't state it as a solid fact cause I know some people think differently and could take it personally or react to it badly.

 

And on a side note, on that Live lounge link (on which I think they gave a great performance), Nadine was missing, so compare it to a Sats performance without Vanessa or a SB performance without Keisha, if you want to make a fair comparaison ;)

spot on scott :)

eh?.... but avril plays and performs live her own material... she out-performed madonna on totp some years ago , madge mimed, avril played and sang acoustic a solo piece..

 

taylor swift might have some talent, but to date shes done nothing i like. unlike avril.

ill give you that, the saturdays can perform live and ive heard several examples of this. credit where its due.

 

Avril Lavigne a talented songwriter?????? :rolleyes:

 

Allegations of plagiarism and criticism of songwriting:

 

On May 25, 2007, Lavigne, her co-songwriter Lukasz Gottwald, and her record label were sued by songwriters James Gangwer and Tommy Dunbar, who claimed that her song "Girlfriend" plagiarized their 1979 song "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend", originally performed by The Rubinoos.

 

In January 2008, Dunbar and Gangwer dropped their lawsuit and retracted their allegations of plagiarism after the case was settled confidentially after receiving an undisclosed financial payment.

 

In February 2008, ABKCO, the company owned by Allan Klein that owns the publishing to all the Jagger/Richards Rolling Stones compositions up until 1971 sued Lavigne & Gottwald for 50% royalties for similarities to the Rolling Stones 1966 transatlantic #1 "Get Off Of My Cloud".

 

In June 2007, Canadian singer-songwriter Chantal Kreviazuk, with whom Lavigne wrote the majority of her second album, Under My Skin, spoke to Performing Songwriter magazine about Lavigne's songwriting: "I mean, Avril, songwriter? Avril doesn't really sit and write songs by herself or anything. Avril will also cross the ethical line and no one says anything. That's why I'll never work with her again. I sent her a song two years ago called 'Contagious', and I just saw the tracklisting to this album and there's a song called 'Contagious' on it--and my name's not on it. What do you do with that? See, I won't [call the lawyers], I'll just tell you. Art should not be subject to that kind of controversy."

 

The song "I Don't Have to Try" also stirred up controversy. Similarities between this song and Peaches' 2003 song "I'm the Kinda" have sparked further plagiarism litigation.

 

Give me the Debbie Gibson country protegee Taylor Swift any minute of the day over the rubbish third rate Alanis Morissette wannabe.

 

Unfortunately the best/most talented artists/bands out there VERY rarely get any success nowadays.

You only need one look at the top 10 to see this.

 

1 N 1 Flo-rida Right Round* - DIRE!!

2 N 1 The Saturdays Just Can't Get Enough - DIRE

3 3 8 Lady Gaga Poker Face* - 9/10

4 1 2 Kelly Clarkson My Life Would Suck Without You - 5/10

5 2 3 Taylor Swift Love Story - 6/10

6 4 4 T.I. feat Justin Timberlake Dead & Gone* - DIRE!!!!!

7 5 6 Lily Allen The Fear - 7/10

8 6 10 Lady Gaga Just Dance - 7/10

9 8 7 Shontelle T-Shirt - 5/10

10 9 6 Pussycat Dolls & Missy Elliott Whatcha Think About That - DIRE!!!!

 

Lady Gaga is the only REALLY decent artist in the top 10 and has more talent than the rest of that collection put together.

Lily Allen, Kelly Clarkson & Taylor Swift i do like though i became quickly bored of all of their latest albums.

 

Erik Hassle, Esser, illScarlett, Frankmusik, Jonna Lee, Pixie, Raygun, Gang Gang Dance are just a few decent artists/groups releasing in the UK later this year.

It will be a miracle if any of those reach the top 10 unfortunately.

^ I completely agree with the above post. And what's so ironic is that two of the Sugababes forum mods are amongst a few labelling me as GA loon, slagging GA and praising the Babes. Uhm? If a number of people agree with me on the quality of Chasing Lights in comparison to the quality of OOC, it would infact come across as my personal opinion of The Sats, and therefore cross out the GA loon stereotype or ''automated parody'' as some of you say I am. :lol: I'm just the arguementative, dramatic type. And I have nothing personal against any of you, I actually am fond of y'all, Phil, Jark etc. So please don't take me the wrong way and think I'm just another delusional GA loon who just wants to cause another 'whose the best girl group debate', because i'm not and it's just my personal opinion with no ulterior motives. I love GA, and can't stand The Sats and that's it. So whereever I disagree with something I will infact reflect this in a post whether the whole world agrees with me or not ..

 

Yep, I'll attest to the fact that Kath is certainly NOT a "GA loon", she's posted plenty of times in the Metal/Punk forum (not seen you there in a while though Kath...) about all sorts of metal acts, etc, and it was mainly due to her nagging me that I started to listen to Lady Ga Ga seriously... so to dismiss her as some sort of Cheryl Cole obsessive is pretty ridiculous....

 

Cant say that I share her liking much for GA though, and sorry Kath but "Walk This Way" was utter pants imo... But I would say that even though I dont like Cheryl Cole, I was impressed with her and the others climbing up Kilimanjaro and raising over 3 million quid just them by themselves.... Just a tad more impressive than pishing out some naff, third rate cover version "charidee" single with a "will this do?" mentality.....

Avril Lavigne a talented songwriter?????? :rolleyes:

 

Allegations of plagiarism and criticism of songwriting:

 

On May 25, 2007, Lavigne, her co-songwriter Lukasz Gottwald, and her record label were sued by songwriters James Gangwer and Tommy Dunbar, who claimed that her song "Girlfriend" plagiarized their 1979 song "I Wanna Be Your Boyfriend", originally performed by The Rubinoos.

 

In January 2008, Dunbar and Gangwer dropped their lawsuit and retracted their allegations of plagiarism after the case was settled confidentially after receiving an undisclosed financial payment.

 

In February 2008, ABKCO, the company owned by Allan Klein that owns the publishing to all the Jagger/Richards Rolling Stones compositions up until 1971 sued Lavigne & Gottwald for 50% royalties for similarities to the Rolling Stones 1966 transatlantic #1 "Get Off Of My Cloud".

 

In June 2007, Canadian singer-songwriter Chantal Kreviazuk, with whom Lavigne wrote the majority of her second album, Under My Skin, spoke to Performing Songwriter magazine about Lavigne's songwriting: "I mean, Avril, songwriter? Avril doesn't really sit and write songs by herself or anything. Avril will also cross the ethical line and no one says anything. That's why I'll never work with her again. I sent her a song two years ago called 'Contagious', and I just saw the tracklisting to this album and there's a song called 'Contagious' on it--and my name's not on it. What do you do with that? See, I won't [call the lawyers], I'll just tell you. Art should not be subject to that kind of controversy."

 

The song "I Don't Have to Try" also stirred up controversy. Similarities between this song and Peaches' 2003 song "I'm the Kinda" have sparked further plagiarism litigation.

 

Give me the Debbie Gibson country protegee Taylor Swift any minute of the day over the rubbish third rate Alanis Morissette wannabe.

 

I only said that Taylor Swift made Avril look like Kate Bush.... And all these allegations seem to be associated with her later material, which I am certainly no kind of fan of, it's absolutely appalling in fact... Her early stuff that she did do as a teenager (and when she was just being a bit more just herself) is a bit more acceptable, and is more pertinent seeing as how my own point is more to do with teenage singer/songwriters generally...

 

 

 

3 3 8 Lady Gaga Poker Face* - 9/10

8 6 10 Lady Gaga Just Dance - 7/10

 

Lady Gaga is the only REALLY decent artist in the top 10 and has more talent than the rest of that collection put together.

 

Absolutely.... Couldn't agree more.... LG is indeed the only Top 10 act around just now who can be considered anything like a credible and individualistic artist in her own right.... And when was the last time an act had two Top 10 hits running at the same time....? :rolleyes: Very occasionally (and it's as rare rockinghorse sh!t these days let's face it...), REAL talent manages to bypass the Cowell/Walsh mediocrity firewalls and shines brightly....