I really hope yes wins as a song is a song at the end of the day and the arguement that nf songs will have an advantage is absolutly ridiculous, most of them are known by very few that take part in BJSC.

 

A rule like this banning nf songs might hold water at Esctoday forums (where the original rules came from) since the whole reason (more or less) people are there is because of Eurovision but here things are different and I truly believe a song should be allowed enter and be judged fairly without disaproving comments being made everywhere. :nocheer:

 

In fact I think the entire paranoia about cheap songs/Esc songs being unfair entries as they have an advantage is a whole lot a hooey. :/

 

For Example, I can't Say I liked Love Story overly (it was a nice enough song) but I feel a song like this should be allowed entry without people making jokes about how cheap it is and there being a "I'm so disapointed in you for sending this song" feeling going around. Because it does happen to some degree and I feel it's horrid that any song can be automatically judged like this just because it's already popular. :(

 

Imo if a song is truly amazing it will beat a song like "Womanizer", "Love Story" or "Just Dance" any day of the week...........in fact this gives me an idea....

Edited April 13, 200916 yr by Sabrewulf238

I agree it is completely hypocritical to sit and argue against restrictions on cheap songs and then say we shouldn't allow NF songs -_-

I would LOVE restrictions against cheap entries, but considering almost every single person who enters this has a different view of what 'cheap' is it would be almost impossible. A ban Eurovision entries is far, far easier to implement.

I would LOVE restrictions against cheap entries, but considering almost every single person who enters this has a different view of what 'cheap' is it would be almost impossible. A ban Eurovision entries is far, far easier to implement.

You have just worded that TEN TIMES better than what I could! LOL :( I've been sat here trying to think up something so similar (Maybe I was thinking TOO hard??) but you've just made it... simple LOL

I would LOVE restrictions against cheap entries, but considering almost every single person who enters this has a different view of what 'cheap' is it would be almost impossible. A ban Eurovision entries is far, far easier to implement.

 

Yes, but just because you can, doesn't mean you should. The way I see it, is that this is a way of promoting new music, and letting people hear your favourite songs, which they might not know. With ESC NF songs that's possible, but it's very unlikely that someone would be new to Jai Ho or Love Story.

 

Oh and no-one wants to enter ACTUAL Eurovision entries :manson:

Wow, very many people are going to get pissed off, it's a so close battle! :o

Even if Yes voters lose then they won't get AS pissed because the rule's been there for ages.

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LOL just playin...anyway I hope this wont go...I just cant stand all these NF crap...Tone,Velvet Inc etc etc.

LOL. Just LOL. :rolleyes:

How long is this vote open for?

are u attacking me :P

 

 

Why has it just become such a big deal now anyway? :unsure:

How long is this vote open for?

Read first post plsthxbai

 

are u attacking me :P

I don't 'attack' anyone. I just don't understand how any can call it so without actually listening to the songs. This arguement isn't counted for explanation. :P

*opens the other 5 accounts*

 

LOL just playin...anyway I hope this wont go...I just cant stand all these NF crap...Tone,Velvet Inc etc etc.

 

To be honest if you (& others) feel that way about NF songs, then all you need to do is not award them any points in the Contests.

 

The only reason I voted Yes, is that I think it is ridiculous how songs that are in the UK Top 10 chart can be nominated; yet you cannot nominate a song that 90% of the players had not previously heard.

 

 

Yes, but just because you can, doesn't mean you should. The way I see it, is that this is a way of promoting new music, and letting people hear your favourite songs, which they might not know. With ESC NF songs that's possible, but it's very unlikely that someone would be new to Jai Ho or Love Story.

 

Oh and no-one wants to enter ACTUAL Eurovision entries :manson:

Well quite. I never said the rule should be in place, I was just answering his question. NF songs are banned because they always have been and it's only now people have bothered to question it, whilst cheap songs aren't banned because it would be virtually impossible to do so as everyone will have a different determination of what is cheap.

Read first post plsthxbai

I don't 'attack' anyone. I just don't understand how any can call it so without actually listening to the songs. This arguement isn't counted for explanation. :P

 

 

but why u think I never listened to those songs...mostly they are rubbish in big capitals :P

What gets me the most is why have existing singles that are in the chart for example Love Story, Jai Ho in the competition as most voters don't vote for them, I didn't even vote for Jai Ho in the final, on the sheer basis of it, you would think members would learn by now, they simply don't work once you are in the final, I can't wait for someone to pick Ercola now with Every Word or Love Sex and Magic, they just simply fail.

Oh and no-one wants to enter ACTUAL Eurovision entries :manson:

No, they want to enter songs that weren't good enough for Eurovision, even better eh?

 

I know the main argument for adding NF songs is "people have sent 'Love Story' and 'Jai Ho', how are these more cheap?!". I'm not saying they are more cheap, they're not, but they are still fairly cheap in a different dimension. They're songs aimed at the Eurovision crowd. A crowd this contest was initially aimed at, it's the fact that the roots of this contest are quite Eurovision based. Just like if this contest was launched on a Britney forum I would expect a ban on Britney songs or if Buzzjack was an X Factor fansite, I would think a ban on X Factor contestants to be in place.

 

Things have changed and the contest is much less Eurovision based but we still have Rich, Pavel, Tyron, David, Sabrewulf, Peter, Cal and Jerick at least as regulars (or on/off) entrants to the contest. It doesn't mean that they're going to automaticaly like every NF song (of course they wont) but no one is going to be sending the awful entries, probably the ones you all love.

 

Are these artists so bad that they can only be defined by their one or two entries to a past NF? The answer is no. Sanna, Maria HS, Sibel, Haffi Haff, Dima Bilan, Alcazar, Ani Lorak etc. have all been used in NFs or actual Eurovision and have made the BJSC with alternate songs. I don't see the issue in downloading raiding their albums to see if they have an equally 'amazing' track if they're so good.

 

I think Mark put it best really...

 

I'm surprised how close this, it's certainly no landslide. Even if yes wins, it's been quite close and it's much easier to vote yes than no. If you vote yes it could be "yes, but I'm really not bothered" and the no voters would generally disagree, rather than voting to be a bitch.

are u attacking me :P

 

Same question, names reversed :P

What gets me the most is why have existing singles that are in the chart for example Love Story, Jai Ho in the competition as most voters don't vote for them, I didn't even vote for Jai Ho in the final, on the sheer basis of it, you would think members would learn by now, they simply don't work once you are in the final, I can't wait for someone to pick Ercola now with Every Word or Love Sex and Magic, they just simply fail.

 

 

Bit personal isn't it! I don't think Ercola is cheap, because it flopped and not that many have heard it. I don't know if I will choose it in the end though.

 

As foe the not-good-enough-for-Eurovision argument, I think people are following the blinkered BBC view of ESC, that it's just a joke and full of trash. But in Europe, it's something of great importance and pride, and that great songwriters and artists try to enter in, and sometimes fail. Basically were arguing here over whether or not we can enter pop songs which are among the best in Europe. To me, it makes no sense to vote no.

It's a no from me because of the selfish view that I follow the main countries that are likely to have songs entered. I'm not overly bothered if they are allowed though, there's probably some that I would considered entering. I can only imagine NF songs being used in the next contest and possibly the two before Eurovision each year so it doesn't make much difference whether they are allowed or not.