You don't know what you are killing when you have an abortion, you might have killed a future president or a childhood prodigy or the guy that finds a cure for AIDS somewhere down the line, an unborn baby deserves the right to experience life even if it is a "parasite"

 

Hang on, I thought you said you were "unsentimental" about human life..... :rolleyes: That's the most ridiculously overly-sentimentalised argument I've ever heard..... :lol:

 

We may aswell bring in forced abortion then since it's just a parasite. :rolleyes:

 

As harsh as it may sound, in some cases, why not....? Seems the most humane method of "human culling" to me, if it has to be done for the sake of our planet's resources..... And there's the added benefit of no human remains to have to deal with, no mass graves, no piles of bodies..... We thin out animal populations by various birth-control methods more and more these days, even sterilization programs also, why not the same with humans....

 

Sometimes I think that the Chinese Govt in the 80s had the right idea, one kid per family.... It's a policy that perhaps the Govts of, say, India, Mexico and Brazil ought to have repeated....

 

One kid per family (not accounting for twins or triplets obviously), then it's the snip.... :rolleyes: Within a generation or two the world's population would be far more manageable....

Those that die will have already had a life and will have experienced life, babies that are aborted will never have experienced life

 

Is there not also an argument for "you don't miss what you never had"? It strikes me as more evil to wipe out millions of living, fully aware humans rather than an undeveloped foetus which in all likelihood has no awareness that it even exists.

 

 

You don't know what you are killing when you have an abortion, you might have killed a future president or a childhood prodigy or the guy that finds a cure for AIDS somewhere down the line, an unborn baby deserves the right to experience life even if it is a "parasite"

 

If 100,000,000 die of swine flu at least they have already had a life of some sort

 

And you don't know that of those 100,000,000 you seem happy to have killed off, that one of them won't have discovered a cure for AIDS in a year or two down the line. You seem to be writing off the living as already having completed their life, which is far from the truth. Of those 100,000,000 killed off it's more than likely there'd be a high number of newborns; the argument that a foetus hasn't had a chance to enjoy life really should apply to newborn and children aswell.

 

To be honest, I'm finding your call for a mass cull of mankind quite disturbing even by your previous standards.

So, the World Health Organization have now raised the alert to phase 5: "Pandemic Imminent". Mildly concerned by that, but I won't be too worried until a significant number of cases are reported in other countries (countries other than Mexico, that is).

To be honest, I'm finding your call for a mass cull of mankind quite disturbing even by your previous standards.

 

I'm not surprised by Craig's views tbh, I certainly remember he advocated an extermination of the Palestinians a year or so back, so this sort of nonsense really comes as no surprise to me.. And it's kinda ironic considering he's JEWISH..... :rolleyes: Hitler would be proud of him.... :rolleyes:

 

I'm not surprised by Craig's views tbh, I certainly remember he advocated an extermination of the Palestinians a year or so back, so this sort of nonsense really comes as no surprise to me.. And it's kinda ironic considering he's JEWISH..... :rolleyes: Hitler would be proud of him.... :rolleyes:

 

You can't compare a comment about the sterilisation of an entire race to stop them breeding which is what I called for with the Palestinians for which I rightfully had an account suspension for with my idea that 100m less people on the planet would help the planet in the long run in terms of its resources, what I said would affect whites, blacks, asians, ALL races so it is no way a racially motivated comment, even as a jew I recognise many jews would perish too if 100m died of swine flu, nothing Hitler-esque at all, I am not hoping that 100m die from swine flu merely that if it happened it would probably be good for the planet in the long run

 

I am unsentimental about human life unless it is friends or family, are there 100m people out there who would give a rats ass if I died from swine flu ? no, I died of swine flu tomorrow those 100m wouldn't give a f*** about me, would get on with their lives and glibly munch their chips etc so why should I feel anything for people I don't know who wouldn't give a damn about me ?

I am unsentimental about human life unless it is friends or family..

 

..Or if it's parasitic organism inside a host body as well it would seem.... :rolleyes:

 

I'm sorry, but your argument simply does NOT track, you claim to be unsympathetic about humanity, and yet here you are being all gooey and "Pro-Life" about UNBORN FOETUSES like some kind of ludicrous bible-basher.... Make your mind up mate..... :rolleyes:

 

It's surely far more humane to stop so many people being born into absolute, and abject poverty, and merely living a half-life of misery and exploitation at best.....

 

I'll say it again, the Chinese had the right idea in the 80s, as harsh as they went about things, they were right to take measures to curb their population....

 

 

..Or if it's parasitic organism inside a host body as well it would seem.... :rolleyes:

 

I'm sorry, but your argument simply does NOT track, you claim to be unsympathetic about humanity, and yet here you are being all gooey and "Pro-Life" about UNBORN FOETUSES like some kind of ludicrous bible-basher.... Make your mind up mate..... :rolleyes:

 

It's surely far more humane to stop so many people being born into absolute, and abject poverty, and merely living a half-life of misery and exploitation at best.....

 

I'll say it again, the Chinese had the right idea in the 80s, as harsh as they went about things, they were right to take measures to curb their population....

 

I'm guessing what Craig's getting at is that he'd rather see (and would, it appears, welcome) a massive natural population cull than one brought about by human choice. I'd agree with him on that point, except for this bizarre statement...

 

I hope it does not kill Brits / Australians / Americans

 

As for the bolded part of Scott's post...is there a non-harsh or even a right way of going about curbing over-population?

 

(hope I got people's names right :P )

I'm guessing what Craig's getting at is that he'd rather see (and would, it appears, welcome) a massive natural population cull than one brought about by human choice. I'd agree with him on that point, except for this bizarre statement...

As for the bolded part of Scott's post...is there a non-harsh or even a right way of going about curbing over-population?

 

(hope I got people's names right :P )

 

That bit that you quoted of me was not like a "master race" like thing that was purely because of the fact I have immediate family as well as friends who live in America and Australia so naturally I would be concerned for them in any such mass outbreak

When an epidemic breaks out, it picks you, you don't pick it. So there is as much chance of you catching it as your neighbour. There is every chance one or some of your relatives would catch it too, until there is an immunity to it, or a crucial tablet or jag to prevent it spreading.

 

Only time will tell whether this is the real armageddon or just a bad cold.

If you go into hospital with swine flu, are you more likely to die from contacting MRSA?

So, the World Health Organization have now raised the alert to phase 5: "Pandemic Imminent". Mildly concerned by that, but I won't be too worried until a significant number of cases are reported in other countries (countries other than Mexico, that is).

 

All that means is 2 countries have cases of human to human transmission. As worrying as stale digestives.

 

People pass normal influenza round every year in numerous countries :lol:

Australia seems to be most concerned about the flu mutating and becoming highly contagious ie air-born.

 

With the Aussie Flu season approaching, a new strain that nobody has any way of controlling or one that no-one has experience of dealing with they are concerned about the lives that could be lost over and above the normal level. And given how populated the east coast is [from Cairns down to Adelaide you'll find something like 65% of the population live within 25k's of that coast line.

 

I think it's over 70% of Queenslanders live in the tiny bit between the New South Wales border and the top of the Sunshine Coast. A highly contagious form could infect millions within a week.

That bit that you quoted of me was not like a "master race" like thing that was purely because of the fact I have immediate family as well as friends who live in America and Australia so naturally I would be concerned for them in any such mass outbreak

 

Well, sorry mate, but it seriously came across as such... And quite offensive too I might add.... It's clear to me that you dont even KNOW or have even TALKED to any Asian, Hispanic or Black people then perhaps you wouldn't have spurted such nonsense..... It's such a provincial and parochial attitude to take tbh....

When an epidemic breaks out, it picks you, you don't pick it.

 

Exactly.... So, there's no point in saying stuff like "Oh, I hope it all happens 'over there', and not here....". Affluent white Europeans/Aussies/Americans/Canucks, etc have no more "right" to be immune to this than Asians, Africans or Hispanics....

 

Well, sorry mate, but it seriously came across as such... And quite offensive too I might add.... It's clear to me that you dont even KNOW or have even TALKED to any Asian, Hispanic or Black people then perhaps you wouldn't have spurted such nonsense..... It's such a provincial and parochial attitude to take tbh....

 

Family and friends first above anyone x100000000000000 to me, not bothered about a persons colour or race or religion really

 

I will paste something I said in the other thread that sums it up to me

 

 

 

 

Its a natural instinct

 

I care far more about my sister living in Seattle and my aunts, uncles and cousins living in Australia than I do some people I have never heard of in Vietnam, Cambodia and Somalia for instance

 

This is going to sound a bit cold but when the tsunami struck all I cared about was the welfare of my nephew who happened to be in Phuket at the time, didn't really give a flying f*** about the asians that were dying in the tsunami, i don't mean that in a racist way I mean it in the sense that I have never met any of them, they mean nothing to me, my life didn't change for their passing, it was a tragedy for their families but I went about my normal life so I was emotionally detached from their plight, all that mattered to me was the welfare of my nephew so in this case with the swine flu I am emotionally detached from the plight of people I don't know and have never heard of and all that matters to me is the welfare of family and friends, whether 10 die or 100 or 100 million it won't move me or change my life

This is going to sound a bit cold but when the tsunami struck all I cared about was the welfare of my nephew who happened to be in Phuket at the time, didn't really give a flying f*** about the asians that were dying in the tsunami, i don't mean that in a racist way I mean it in the sense that I have never met any of them, they mean nothing to me, my life didn't change for their passing, it was a tragedy for their families but I went about my normal life so I was emotionally detached from their plight, all that mattered to me was the welfare of my nephew so in this case with the swine flu I am emotionally detached from the plight of people I don't know and have never heard of and all that matters to me is the welfare of family and friends, whether 10 die or 100 or 100 million it won't move me or change my life

 

Then I'll repeat my question - why then give two sh!ts about someone choosing to abort an unborn foetus, when it's clear you dont give a fukk about humanity in general...?

 

I suppose it's the whole "Death of one is a tragedy, death of millions is just a statistic" dichotomy innit....?

Then I'll repeat my question - why then give two sh!ts about someone choosing to abort an unborn foetus, when it's clear you dont give a fukk about humanity in general...?

 

I suppose it's the whole "Death of one is a tragedy, death of millions is just a statistic" dichotomy innit....?

 

 

 

Happening in America or Australia or UK would put friends and family at risk so yeah I don't want it to happen in those places, it can happen anywhere else for all I care, my family and friends would be out of the firing line, it wouldn't bother me if it happened in other places or how many died, I can't take the worlds problems on my shoulders mate, if I took the worlds problems on my shoulders I would be a permanant suicidal manic depressive if every single bad thing in the world got taken to heart on me or whatever so gotta prioritiese so yeah friends and family and f*** everyone else is my outlook on life and that goes right across all colours, races, religions and so on

 

I am old enough to remember Pol Pot's killing fields in Cambodia, i am old enough to remember Idi Amin's ethnic cleansing in Uganda, I am old enough to remember Chemical Ali killing 182,000 Kurds, I am old enough to remember the original African famine that spurred Bob Geldof into action, I am old enough to remember Rwanda, i am old enough to remember Milosevic's ethnic cleansing, do yoiu seriously expect me to take all those on my shoulders and grieve for every tragedy in the world ? I can't do it an d won't do it, I am merely adding the tsunami and swine flu to the list of things I just mentioned

Then I'll repeat my question - why then give two sh!ts about someone choosing to abort an unborn foetus, when it's clear you dont give a fukk about humanity in general...?

 

I suppose it's the whole "Death of one is a tragedy, death of millions is just a statistic" dichotomy innit....?

 

I have my principles and can't change them no matter what regardless of circumstances, I have been anti abortion since I was about 10 and can't change a 30 odd year old principle just because it is convenient, I stand and fall by my principles

I stand and fall by my principles

 

Even when they are blatantly at odds with one another..... :rolleyes: