It is a very nice duck island though...

 

Russ, not sure where you got your facts that no MP has come out of this ok, but there are some - a significant number have been campaigning for expense reviews and have operated within the rules.

 

Also...NOT VOTING is a terrible idea. Instead, why not actually read candidate bunf at the next election - it's sure to be full of personal pledges that they will not fiddle expenses if elected and how far they'll go to prove it. If this issue is really that important to the voter then the most 'honest' candidate on paper should be the one you vote for...that's if you don't think the promises that affect you more squarely than the 10p of your year's tax that paid for MP's expenses are more important.

 

It is a very nice duck island though...

 

 

Sure is. I'd like one but don't have a lake. :(

 

Here it is.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/default.stm

Edited May 21, 200916 yr by Crazy Chris

tell you what, you go without benefits until the duck island is paid for.... bet you wouldnt find it so fcukin funny if YOU were paying for it...

come to think of it, id rather pay for a duck island then pay your benefits <_<

 

Me too

 

 

 

 

All this talk of who people will be voting for is utterly mindboggling.... THE ONLY WAY TO LET THESE THIEVES KNOW WHAT YOU THINK OF THEM IS TO NOT VOTE AT ALL.

 

If any single one of these MPs now getting rather smug about it (Cameron, anyone?) REALLY felt that strongly about how their colleagues were scamming (as IF they didn't know...they should do - they all are bound to abide by the 'rules' Thatcher brought into place) then why the HELL didn't they stand up earlier and make their voices heard?

 

The sad truth is - WE DON'T HAVE A SINGLE MP IN PARLIAMENT WHO STOOD UP AND SAID WHAT A NONSENSE THESE RULES WERE. They ALL knew FULL WELL that they and their cohorts could scam the general public. And that they WERE scamming us - left, right and centre.

 

A total no-confidence non-vote is the ONLY way to let them know this country DEMANDS change. The whole lot MUST be flushed out. As Hislop said last week "The House of Common Criminals".... surely as it must be known from now on.

 

Get every rotten one of them out on their arses from their privileged positions. Not only the ones caught with their hands in the tills... but the ones who stood by and let it happen (aiding and abetting, maybe?).

 

And while we're at it... I'd like a FULL report on ALL MPs' expenses since Thatcher brought these rules in...... especially the bills surrounding her - surely she has nothing to hide? I'm pretty sure as she deemed these laws a-ok that SHE, in particular, as well as that snivelling berk of a husband of hers, scammed us as much as they humanly could. And, as public burning and crucifixion is not particularly welcomed these days, surely there's room in a prison SOMEWHERE for this vile old witch?

 

I think you talk total sense here, apart from the "not voting" bit... I dont agree with that, I think if those who are outraged by all this DONT go out and vote it just means the same old scum get back in, I think a damn sight MORE people should go out and vote, not less.... I think the best thing to do is vote tactically, and return a Hung Parliament, I think a Coalition govt with the best elements of all parties concerned would see a real change in this country, because if none of them had an overall majority, they'd bloody well have to listen to the public... And I think it should be damn sight easier to get rid of your MP if they're not doing the sort of job you want them to do...

 

I was glad to see Mr Speaker go, he really was just an out-of-touch old buffoon who completely just did NOT understand or appreciate the public mood at all.. The fact that he actually spent public money in the courts trying to stop these revelations coming out was what did for him in the end, and frankly, I think he should've resigned after the Damien Green affair anyway, his authority was shot to pieces after that episode and he was frankly living on borrowed time (a bit like Gordon Broon :lol: ).... The fact of the matter is, Labour and Tory have been proven to be as bad and thoroughly corrupt as each other, with the Lib Dems sort of the "diet coke of evil" in this affair... And this Tory Tw@t who's been b!tching about the Freedom of Information act and how we have no right to "interfere" in his private life, well, he can just go fukk himself, he's using OUR MONEY to feather his own nest, damn RIGHT we have a right to "interfere".... Arrogant, self-righteous w/anker.... <_<

 

I've been saying for YEARS that MPs were all a bunch of crooks only in it for themselves, finally glad to have the actual proof of everything I've ever said about them...... :rolleyes:

 

A hung parliament would be a disaster as there'd be no proper Government. Anyway the chances of one according to the polls are low. Cameron will be PM with a thumpiong great majority.

I think you talk total sense here, apart from the "not voting" bit... I dont agree with that, I think if those who are outraged by all this DONT go out and vote it just means the same old scum get back in, I think a damn sight MORE people should go out and vote, not less.... I think the best thing to do is vote tactically, and return a Hung Parliament, I think a Coalition govt with the best elements of all parties concerned would see a real change in this country, because if none of them had an overall majority, they'd bloody well have to listen to the public... And I think it should be damn sight easier to get rid of your MP if they're not doing the sort of job you want them to do...

 

I was glad to see Mr Speaker go, he really was just an out-of-touch old buffoon who completely just did NOT understand or appreciate the public mood at all.. The fact that he actually spent public money in the courts trying to stop these revelations coming out was what did for him in the end, and frankly, I think he should've resigned after the Damien Green affair anyway, his authority was shot to pieces after that episode and he was frankly living on borrowed time (a bit like Gordon Broon :lol: ).... The fact of the matter is, Labour and Tory have been proven to be as bad and thoroughly corrupt as each other, with the Lib Dems sort of the "diet coke of evil" in this affair... And this Tory Tw@t who's been b!tching about the Freedom of Information act and how we have no right to "interfere" in his private life, well, he can just go fukk himself, he's using OUR MONEY to feather his own nest, damn RIGHT we have a right to "interfere".... Arrogant, self-righteous w/anker.... <_<

 

I've been saying for YEARS that MPs were all a bunch of crooks only in it for themselves, finally glad to have the actual proof of everything I've ever said about them...... :rolleyes:

 

A hung parliament would be a disaster

 

Look at places like Italy and Israel for examples of how the idea doesn't work, and remember John Major's government where there was such a tiny majority Major was driven to a nervous breakdown by rebels to the point he locked himself in a cupboard and cried his eyes out, not to mention the possibility that far right groups like the BNP might have MP's in parliament in the coming years, would you want Nick Griffin holding the balance of power ? could happen mate

 

The only credible way is for a overall parliamentary majority for one party, if they f*** up they can be kicked out in the following election

A hung parliament would be a disaster as there'd be no proper Government.

 

Actually, that's where you're wrong.... It would be a Coalition govt made up of the best elements of the main parties plus maybe a few independents in there too - ie, the ones WITHOUT any sleaze attached to them.....

 

 

Me and B.A. agree on something. :o Never knew that about Major crying in a cupboard either!!

A hung parliament would be a disaster

 

Look at places like Italy and Israel for examples of how the idea doesn't work, and remember John Major's government where there was such a tiny majority Major was driven to a nervous breakdown by rebels to the point he locked himself in a cupboard and cried his eyes out, not to mention the possibility that far right groups like the BNP might have MP's in parliament in the coming years, would you want Nick Griffin holding the balance of power ? could happen mate

 

The only credible way is for a overall parliamentary majority for one party, if they f*** up they can be kicked out in the following election

 

Dude, we've had that sh"t for too fukkin' long now, and I'm, sick of bloody Labour and Tory and sick of their cr@p, their lies and their corruption...... And, frankly, I'm getting a bit sick of the alarmist cr@p spouted about the BNP too..... They clearly WONT hold the balance of power at ALL, and if people DID actually vote for them or UKIP, well whose bloody fault would that be...? Labour and Tory.... :rolleyes:, they've already pretty much made themselves unelectable in Scotland due to their BS and lies... If anyone holds the balance of power at Westminster, it'll be the Lib Dems...

 

Pity Major didn't KILL HIMSELF...... <_<

 

Me and B.A. agree on something. :o Never knew that about Major crying in a cupboard either!!

 

LOL miracles do happen :rofl:

 

But yeah with a hung parliament it would be a disaster for this country, coalitions breaking down every week, threats of parties to bring down the government, smoke filled room deals with extremists to get support and so on

 

I really do not want to see a situation where the minority government of the day have to go bending over backwards to Sinn Fein, Ian Paisley, BNP MP's if and when they start getting into parliamant and trust me it WILL happen

Dude, we've had that sh"t for too fukkin' long now, and I'm, sick of bloody Labour and Tory and sick of their cr@p, their lies and their corruption...... And, frankly, I'm getting a bit sick of the alarmist cr@p spouted about the BNP too..... They clearly WONT hold the balance of power at ALL, and if people DID actually vote for them or UKIP, well whose bloody fault would that be...? Labour and Tory.... :rolleyes:, they've already pretty much made themselves unelectable in Scotland due to their BS and lies... If anyone holds the balance of power at Westminster, it'll be the Lib Dems...

 

Pity Major didn't KILL HIMSELF...... <_<

 

I predict there will be 1-3 BNP MP's at the next election in parliament, and certainly if not next one then the one after that

 

With immigration rampant and showing no sign of being reigned in there is a rise in extremism in this country without a shadow of a doubt and it is increasing all the time, with unemployment rising massively and so on many put the blame for that on immigrants, and look how Le Pen nearly became president of France a few years back

 

You are underestimating big time the rise in extremist groups support in this country

With immigration rampant and showing no sign of being reigned in there is a rise in extremism in this country without a shadow of a doubt and it is increasing all the time, with unemployment rising massively and so on many put the blame for that on immigrants, and look how Le Pen nearly became president of France a few years back

 

You are underestimating big time the rise in extremist groups support in this country

 

People AINT blaming immigrants for the unemployment mate, most people I see are blaming it on Broon and Fred the Shred for causing the Recession.... People actually know FULL WELL what's caused this country's problems mate - GREEDY BANKERS AND INCOMPETENT MPs FUKKIN UP THE ECONOMY..... <_<

 

The veil has finally been lifted and most of the country now sees these people for what they are.....SCUM.....

Almost every democracy has a system which leads to coalition governenment. In most cases it works pretty well so why should the UK be any different? The current government got approx 35% of the vote at the last election but still won a comfortable majority. How is that a sensible system?

 

Oh, and if you need a laugh, here's one

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsi...000/8062852.stm

 

Almost every democracy has a system which leads to coalition governenment. In most cases it works pretty well so why should the UK be any different? The current government got approx 35% of the vote at the last election but still won a comfortable majority. How is that a sensible system?

 

Spot on... It simply doesn't.... make sense at all... Proportional Representation is really the only fair electoral system, despite the fears of "fringe" parties getting a foothold.... I mean, if there is a significant amount of people who want to see and environmentalist party such as the Greens wanting in, of course they should be represented, as should even UKIP if they've got enough grass roots support, even though I personally think they're total tools.... As for the BNP, well, I dont see them as at all being a legit party, they're a pack of thugs who frankly have no more legitimacy than quasi-political Islamic fanatic groups whom the Govt has rightly banned.... So, er, why, exactly are the BNP allowed to continue operating....? A case of total double standards that is.....

 

MP's fears of expenses 'suicide'

 

The atmosphere at Westminster has become so "unbearable" due to expenses revelations that a suicide is feared, one MP named in the row has warned.

 

Tory Nadine Dorries, who the Daily Telegraph said only spends weekends and holidays in her designated main home, warned MPs were "beginning to crack".

 

But Labour's Stephen Pound said MPs did not deserve sympathy, adding: "It's nobody's fault except our own."

 

Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8063005.stm

Are they looking for sympathy now, bloody hell, will they be saying I was only following orders next.

MP's fears of expenses 'suicide'

 

The atmosphere at Westminster has become so "unbearable" due to expenses revelations that a suicide is feared, one MP named in the row has warned.

 

Tory Nadine Dorries, who the Daily Telegraph said only spends weekends and holidays in her designated main home, warned MPs were "beginning to crack".

 

But Labour's Stephen Pound said MPs did not deserve sympathy, adding: "It's nobody's fault except our own."

 

Story here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8063005.stm

Are they looking for sympathy now, bloody hell, will they be saying I was only following orders next.

 

Agreed, this is just pathetic, playing the sympathy card.... Fukk the Tories.... What about the people THEY put out of work that were driven to clinical depression and suicide in the 1980s....? Thatcher and Tebbitt certainly had no sympathy for the thousands of miners, dockers, factory workers, etc, their families and their communities which they destroyed.....

 

MPs are responsible for their OWN downfalls through their OWN deceit and their OWN dishonesty...... To hell with these b'astards..... They want to commit suicide, hell, I'll give them a bottle of pills or a rope to hang themselves with.... Fukkers..... <_<

Spot on... It simply doesn't.... make sense at all... Proportional Representation is really the only fair electoral system, despite the fears of "fringe" parties getting a foothold.... I mean, if there is a significant amount of people who want to see and environmentalist party such as the Greens wanting in, of course they should be represented, as should even UKIP if they've got enough grass roots support, even though I personally think they're total tools.... As for the BNP, well, I dont see them as at all being a legit party, they're a pack of thugs who frankly have no more legitimacy than quasi-political Islamic fanatic groups whom the Govt has rightly banned.... So, er, why, exactly are the BNP allowed to continue operating....? A case of total double standards that is.....

The Scottish parliament uses proportional representation which has lead to a minority government. Shame it's a SNP one.

 

It does however mean that policy's that are best for Scotland do go through. Like the removal of the Forth and Tay bridge tolls, something Labour refused to do when all the other tolls were removed and lost them alot of support in the forth and tay areas especially in Fife where we were charged on the two main routes into our f***ing county. The abolishment of the Graduate endowment also happened thanks partially to PR.

Me and B.A. agree on something. :o Never knew that about Major crying in a cupboard either!!

 

with i slight..... no MAJOR difference, craig can support his views with rational thought, you on the other hand would like to celebrate a cameron victory even though hes pledged to alter YOUR cushy, sponging lifestyle.

you on the other hand would like to celebrate a cameron victory even though hes pledged to alter YOUR cushy, sponging lifestyle.

 

Well, he's not "crazy chris" for nothing....... :lol: Turkeys will be voting for christmas next, and Jews, gays, black and asian people voting for BNP after that...... :rolleyes:

 

We can all scream about how atrocious Labour are and shout loudly for a General Election, like, yesterday..... but the only dullards doing that are the dullards who want a Conservative government.

 

These same dullards are forgetting that this whole mess, like many otrhers that are cropping uip during the past few years, can be laid at the doorstep of...yes... Margaret Thatcher, who brought the new rules in around expenses when she was leader in the late 80s.

 

As we've read.... Kenneth 'Piggy' Clarke did rather well out of it....but... how did the Rusty Lady herself do? As a woman who clearly knew the price for everything but the value of nothing, it's patently obvious that she wouldn't have brought these rules in if they didn't benefit her financially.... so surely..... we MUST delve back through her expense accounts for her time in office. Why has this not been done yet?

 

And, of course, any irregularities found MUST be accounted for and explained by her. And any legal problems she may encounter - she must face them full on. She didn't seem like a person too concerned with wittering away public funds for her own ends (her idiot of a son lost in the desert, anyone? Plus his subsequent bailing out on the coup charges some time ago).

 

Whilst Labour have had ample toime to right this evil woman's wrongs...... this whole sorry, sordid mess is truly a case of "please don't shoot the messenger", don't you think?