I didn't really get it :( They all turned into The Master and Donna began "burning" but not quite because she's obv in the next one. Mass confusion.

 

I really find blonde and evil John Simm attractive :(

It was awful frankly. Boring, predictable and cringy. The Obama scenes were awful. That ending was diabolical even by Ruseel T Davies's standards. The 55 minutes leading up to it were mostly pointless aswell, and could easily have been hacked down to 15. At least the Masters wife briefly returned..her and Bernard Cribbins. They were the positives in this episodes. Nothing else.

I've forgotten how it ended already :mellow: Oh dear.

I absolutely loved it. It probably helped that I was completely sober so I could pick up the plot development which there was too much of for an Xmas Day audience as if RTD had to crowbar in two 45 minute episodes into an hour show. I loved the early stuff when he just arrived on the Oods Planet where he said about going back and forth in time post the last special, including the joke about his relationship with Elizabeth I which surely got lost on the audience (now how about a future Comic Relief Special with David Tennant's Doctor visiting the court of Blackadder II with Rowan Atkinson, Tony Robinson, Tim McInnerny, Stephen Fry, Patsy Byrne & Miranda Richardson reprising her Queen Lizzie role :lol:).

 

Hence all the consequences afterwards resulting in Great Britain being ruled by President Obama (the UK = 51st state of America?); and Britain dominated/manipulated by an insane over egotistical Black Rupert Murdoch/Simon Cowell type media mogul.

 

I loved the old folks; June Whitfield was hilarious; I loved Bernard Cribbins (Wilfred Mott anagram

Timelord WTF (or FTW) - the fact he was in the isolation chamber yet failed to press the switch in time in the isolation chamber to protect him gave the game away - but again was probably missed by an Xmas Day audience who probably wanted an easy to follow Voyage Of The Damned with Kylie

) - the scene with the Doctor breaking down in the cafe was acting of the highest calibre.

 

I loved John Simm as The Master who has really gone beyond insanity due to the attempt to kill him which has left his life force in a state of constant depletion, forcing him to drain the vitality of a number of homeless people and eat things very quickly. I loved the plot development of the Master reconfiguring the Immortality Gate to alter the biological makeup of all humans to match that of whoever stands in the Gate = The Master.

 

Insane, mental stuff = exactly what Dr Who at its finest should be.

 

..... and then came the Final scene with the revealing of who the narrator Timothy Dalton is .....

 

11/10

thank god someone else who loved.

TIP makes a good point about seeing it sober. I was reasonably sober so followed most of it but I'll see it again on iPlayer before the next episode. Perhaps they should take more account of the likely inebriated nature of much of the audience.

TIP makes a good point about seeing it sober.

 

tbh i read that as him suggesting that those who didnt like it were not of sound mind,.... apologies if this was not the case.

 

i elected not to watch it, spending time with my family instead. 'the master' though was always my least favourite 'baddie', he hardly lived upto his name because dr who beat him at every confrontation! besides, i cant fit anyone else into the role after the original - roger delgado, made the role his own.

 

i might watch the second episode, im sure ill pick up the plot.

tbh i read that as him suggesting that those who didnt like it were not of sound mind,.... apologies if this was not the case.

 

i elected not to watch it, spending time with my family instead. 'the master' though was always my least favourite 'baddie', he hardly lived upto his name because dr who beat him at every confrontation! besides, i cant fit anyone else into the role after the original - roger delgado, made the role his own.

 

i might watch the second episode, im sure ill pick up the plot.

 

Nope, Suedehead was spot on. That is why Xmas Specials since its revival have always been more disappointing and simpler to follow IMHO (as I normally drive on Xmas Day to visit family I'm unusally sober, until I get home late in the evening to open a can or three). This was an exception and would have been far better if it had been scheduled for tonight or Sunday evening. Still there is always BBC iPlayer for others to watch again.

 

I'm sure you wont be overjoyed if the rumours turns out to be true that

For Series 5 (2010) - the 10th Doctor gets stuck on Earth as punishment by the Timelords for the 9th Doctor interfering with time and dimension. :manson:

 

Nope, Suedehead was spot on. That is why Xmas Specials since its revival have always been more disappointing and simpler to follow IMHO (as I normally drive on Xmas Day to visit family I'm unusally sober, until I get home late in the evening to open a can or three). This was an exception and would have been far better if it had been scheduled for tonight or Sunday evening. Still there is always BBC iPlayer for others to watch again.

 

I'm sure you wont be overjoyed if the rumours turns out to be true that

For Series 5 (2010) - the 10th Doctor gets stuck on Earth as punishment by the Timelords for the 9th Doctor interfering with time and dimension. :manson:

 

then i apologise for my misinterpretation.

 

oh lord no.....

its bad enough that some guy has to follow tennants outstanding portrayal of the dr, but to stick him indefinately on earth?... as if tennant wasnt on earth too much anyway..

 

Looking back at it, I can't believe how poor this episode was. Was a load of hard-to-follow rubbish. Seriously what the hell did they do to The Master? First of all they just completely by-pass the whole events where he was Harold Saxon and give his wife a complete character make-over complete with her plan to kill him. Eh. I know this show is silly, but come on! Then they give the Master these stupid rip-off Heroes stylee powers and he can jump up in the air and almost fly. Don't even get me started on those green alien things either. And I thought all the Timelords were dead? Anyway I think they're going to be bad guys.

 

If it wasn't for it being David Tennant's last episode, I wouldn't even be tuning in for Part 2!

Looking back at it, I can't believe how poor this episode was. Was a load of hard-to-follow rubbish. Seriously what the hell did they do to The Master? First of all they just completely by-pass the whole events where he was Harold Saxon and give his wife a complete character make-over complete with her plan to kill him. Eh. I know this show is silly, but come on! Then they give the Master these stupid rip-off Heroes stylee powers and he can jump up in the air and almost fly. Don't even get me started on those green alien things either. And I thought all the Timelords were dead? Anyway I think they're going to be bad guys.

 

If it wasn't for it being David Tennant's last episode, I wouldn't even be tuning in for Part 2!

 

To be fair to RTD his whole five year story arc which he had planned step by step for the Doctor to get to a certain point at the end of each series from the beginning of his tenure were wrecked by the BBC's disastrous and late decision to effectively not produce a 5th series (due to cost) after series 4 was filmed and in the can and instead have a handful of specials instead, as a result RTD has had to massively compromise on the plot to get to the end of David Tennant's era which if he had 13 episodes instead of 4 specials he would have managed to get written and explained far more properly.

 

Without going all Daily Mail/The Sun Rupert Murdoch Inc zombie mode ..... I think it is safe to say had the BBC axed the appalling politically correct and quite frankly rubbish Saturday night revival of Robin Hood a series earlier instead they would have had the cash ...... :angry:

Looking back at it, I can't believe how poor this episode was. Was a load of hard-to-follow rubbish. Seriously what the hell did they do to The Master? First of all they just completely by-pass the whole events where he was Harold Saxon and give his wife a complete character make-over complete with her plan to kill him. Eh. I know this show is silly, but come on! Then they give the Master these stupid rip-off Heroes stylee powers and he can jump up in the air and almost fly. Don't even get me started on those green alien things either. And I thought all the Timelords were dead? Anyway I think they're going to be bad guys.

 

If it wasn't for it being David Tennant's last episode, I wouldn't even be tuning in for Part 2!

I was sober, and I definitely agree with this post instead of TiP. There's a lot of stuff I apparently missed but still, I found it far too difficult to follow and the stuff I understood was confusing. So many faults with it too. It wasn't bad, it was better than the Easter special. I'm just hoping the next episode is as good as the Waters of Mars was.

I was hugely disappointed with this episode ... I struggled to understand it - I was completely sober and not especially tired after a half 5 start with two daughters aged 2 and 10 weeks. Now if I found it difficult to follow what hope a 10 year old??

 

There were nice touches .... Bernard Cribbins was brilliant, the Doctor talking about his regeneration, the ending but much I disliked ... the Master bouncing like a demented Tigger being the prime one. As I was watching it, I had a yearning to watch the classic series boxsets my wife bought me for Christmas.

 

Still, there's always the one on New Year's Day ... and, as much as I have enjoyed the David Tennant era, I am looking forward to Doctor Number 11.

Why does it feel like the Time Lords are going to force the Doctor to regenerate again for the mess he has caused, and then plunge a huge great big reset button

Loved the episode, i doubt that i will not like Dr Who's ANY episode tbh. The show is that fantastic!

 

Donna is back! <3 She's obviously not gonna burn as you could see from the next part small cut in the end of the episode she was outside and 'masters' were surrounding her. :o I hope she does kick their asses tbh.

I take it no one listened to the Radio 2 Dr Who special (at 5PM today) with David Tennant & Russell T Davies which they recorded before Xmas.

 

It was great to hear RTD laugh about the fact the first half of these final two episodes would confuse the audience with what I interpreted as a dig at the BBC's decision to show the episode on Xmas Day; but it is clearly that with the time is leaking and the key Dr 10's "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey" phrase has been a key component of what you have already seen and presumably will see in the series 4 Finale.

 

But the most significant thing that they seemed to skirt around joking about the Dr 10 demise.....

 

Hence

the theory that a combination of Wilf; Donna; another dimension Rose and that human dimension Doctor David Tennant or Jack must change history to keep the Doctor alive, as there has been a big rumour that when David Tennant's Doctor dies the shocker twist is that he does not regenerate but is dead; but rather another earlier Doctor regenerates into Matt Smith's Doctor (who may very well have already made his first appearance 15 seconds from the end of part 1 in the Timothy Dalton timelords scene with his hands covering his face alongside a rumoured Dr 08 Paul McGann).

 

 

 

Still on a separate note one issue has been cleared up:

 

James Bond was played by Timothy Dalton.

Timothy Dalton plays a Time Lord.

Therefore, James Bond is a Time Lord,

 

hence he can be played by a different actor each incarnation like Dr Who. :D

All the rumours about series 5 being set entirely on Earth are bound to be untrue. I've been hearing rumours like that since 2006.

I have actually tweaked Bernard Cribbins is an

old timelord / Paul McGann we never actually seem him re-generate have we :unsure:

it has to be and I have just seen the repeat, as I didn't watch Dr.Who on Xmas Day, but why ruin the whole episode at the end by rturning every living being in the Master, apart from that it was enjoyable to watch, the ending just was utter shambles.

 

And I thought all the timelords were dead, clutching at straws here, maybe they are rogue timelords :lol: I knew the narrator was Timothy Dalton at the beginning of the episode. :D

Looking forward to tonights ep

i saw it repeated today.... tbh im pretty nonplused by it, loads of hyping up background noise to force the feeling of excitement/trepidation... the storylines ok and theres twists coming thatll be nice to watch. dont like the master, never did, dispite this great interpretation by thingy..

 

it clashes with emmerdale tonight, im not sure which ill watch, i like emmerdale.

 

6/10