Harriet Harman should be the next Labour leader.

And on the Turkey note, Germany is their country of choice is it not?

 

There's a sizeable Turkish community in London (North London in particular), which would almost certainly swell if Turkey were allowed EU membership....

 

Christ, you're a f***ing idiot...THE UK BENEFITS FROM THE MASSIVE CHEAP LABOUR YOU ABSOLUTE DIMWIT.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Amazing really innit, the likes of yourself, Rob, Fixin to Thrill and Craig and, well, just about everybody posts anti-Chris rants like this and the bloke has the big girlie strop about ME over in the "bottom Five Forumers" thread and says jack-sh!t about the rest of y'all's comments..... Just amuses me really tbh..... :rolleyes:

 

There's a sizeable Turkish community in London (North London in particular), which would almost certainly swell if Turkey were allowed EU membership....

I'm sure all the Turkish communities would swell across europe, but in the long run it'll balance itself out. Everything does.

:lol: :lol:

 

Amazing really innit, the likes of yourself, Rob, Fixin to Thrill and Craig and, well, just about everybody posts anti-Chris rants like this and the bloke has the big girlie strop about ME over in the "bottom Five Forumers" thread and says jack-sh!t about the rest of y'all's comments..... Just amuses me really tbh..... :rolleyes:

:lol:

 

Craig and Rob are both mentioned in his bottom five too.

 

but i thnk there 'an absolute mile' bellow you :kink:

:lol: :lol:

 

Amazing really innit, the likes of yourself, Rob, Fixin to Thrill and Craig and, well, just about everybody posts anti-Chris rants like this and the bloke has the big girlie strop about ME over in the "bottom Five Forumers" thread and says jack-sh!t about the rest of y'all's comments..... Just amuses me really tbh..... :rolleyes:

 

he cited me in his bottom 5 too.... :lol:

but i thnk there 'an absolute mile' bellow you :kink:

 

:lol: yeah, there is, which is what I found especially amusing.... Actually, tbh I think I'd rather be hated by someone like Chris, I'd rather not be 'liked' by some BNP-apologist.....

 

Are you doing yours at all Scott? Wonder if I feature at all!!!

 

Oh and I don't hate you. How can you hate someone online that you don't know. As we're both in London we could always meet up for a pint and a good old chat though. We may get on like a house on fire!! :lol: We should have a BJ meet-up like Haven have had twice in the past! Much to their disappointment I didn't go. :(

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Are you doing yours at all Scott? Wonder if I feature at all!!!

 

As we're both in London we could always meet up for a pint and a good old chat though. We may get on like a house on fire!!

 

Well, if we stayed off the subject of politics, maybe..... :lol:

 

I'm wondering if Gordon will call an immediate election if there's an attempt to oust him after the polls next week. Wouldn't put it past him to do it out f spite. He'd know he'd lose but maybe rather that than the humiliation of being ousted.

I'm wondering if Gordon will call an immediate election if there's an attempt to oust him after the polls next week. Wouldn't put it past him to do it out f spite. He'd know he'd lose but maybe rather that than the humiliation of being ousted.

 

OMG!!!! I actually agree with you..... :o :lol:

 

Yeah, I mean, he clearly does NOT have the sense of honour to "fall on his sword" for the good of his Party, so he'll cling onto power like grim death..... <_<

 

OMG!!!! I actually agree with you..... :o :lol:

 

 

:o :o :o :o *Faints*

It wouldn't be the first time.

 

John Major called the rebels' bluff and put himself up for re-election as party leader when there were 4 or 5 of his cabinet who could muster good support and might just have toppled him.

 

Gordon Brown is in the happier position that there isn't one member of the cabinet who commands the sort of passionate support which John Redwood, Michael Heseltine etc. could muster.

No chance of a pact with the Lib Dems for Labour, if anything they would deal with Cameron

 

Lib Dems under Charles Kennedy were quite left wing but Cable in particular and even Clegg seem more allied policy wise with Cameron

A lot depends on the actual outcome but let's assume that no party wins an overall majority and that the Lib Dems have enough MPs to give either the Tories or Labour a majority. Unless Labour fall just short of a majority (which looks unlikely at the moment) it would be difficult for the Lib Dems to support a government which the electorate had just rejected.

 

However, the only type of PR which Cameron has shown any interest in is public relations, not proportional representation. Unless he is prepared to do almost anything to get into power, I can't see him offering a deal on electoral reform. Even if he is in favour, I'm not sure he would get sufficient backing from his MPs.

 

So, it's back to Labour. At that point, they dump Brown and replace him with Alan Johnson without a contest. He does a deal with the Lib Dems. That government will have just two priorities. First, the economy (possibly with Vince Cable as Chancellor). Second, electoral reform. That would probably involve a referendum with the official government line being in favour of reform. If the referendum goes against reform, there will be another election. If it goes in favour, the election will take place as soon as the new electoral system is in place.

 

Of course, if either Tories or Labour are only just short of a majority they will try to go it alone. If it's the Tories under Cameron they will pursue a populist agenda and defy the opposition parties (specifically the Lib Dems) to vote against. They will pick an issue which they think has strong public support but which all other parties are likely to oppose. When that happens, they will call an election.

 

If any of that happens you read it here first :lol:

A lot depends on the actual outcome but let's assume that no party wins an overall majority and that the Lib Dems have enough MPs to give either the Tories or Labour a majority. Unless Labour fall just short of a majority (which looks unlikely at the moment) it would be difficult for the Lib Dems to support a government which the electorate had just rejected.

 

However, the only type of PR which Cameron has shown any interest in is public relations, not proportional representation. Unless he is prepared to do almost anything to get into power, I can't see him offering a deal on electoral reform. Even if he is in favour, I'm not sure he would get sufficient backing from his MPs.

 

So, it's back to Labour. At that point, they dump Brown and replace him with Alan Johnson without a contest. He does a deal with the Lib Dems. That government will have just two priorities. First, the economy (possibly with Vince Cable as Chancellor). Second, electoral reform. That would probably involve a referendum with the official government line being in favour of reform. If the referendum goes against reform, there will be another election. If it goes in favour, the election will take place as soon as the new electoral system is in place.

 

Of course, if either Tories or Labour are only just short of a majority they will try to go it alone. If it's the Tories under Cameron they will pursue a populist agenda and defy the opposition parties (specifically the Lib Dems) to vote against. They will pick an issue which they think has strong public support but which all other parties are likely to oppose. When that happens, they will call an election.

 

If any of that happens you read it here first :lol:

 

If there was a minority government I could see the party going back to the polls within a year or so to try and get a mandate probably on the back of a spun populist agenda or policy as you say. Whether or not they’d get it is another matter.

 

A lot depends on the actual outcome but let's assume that no party wins an overall majority and that the Lib Dems have enough MPs to give either the Tories or Labour a majority. Unless Labour fall just short of a majority (which looks unlikely at the moment) it would be difficult for the Lib Dems to support a government which the electorate had just rejected.

 

However, the only type of PR which Cameron has shown any interest in is public relations, not proportional representation. Unless he is prepared to do almost anything to get into power, I can't see him offering a deal on electoral reform. Even if he is in favour, I'm not sure he would get sufficient backing from his MPs.

 

So, it's back to Labour. At that point, they dump Brown and replace him with Alan Johnson without a contest. He does a deal with the Lib Dems. That government will have just two priorities. First, the economy (possibly with Vince Cable as Chancellor). Second, electoral reform. That would probably involve a referendum with the official government line being in favour of reform. If the referendum goes against reform, there will be another election. If it goes in favour, the election will take place as soon as the new electoral system is in place.

 

Of course, if either Tories or Labour are only just short of a majority they will try to go it alone. If it's the Tories under Cameron they will pursue a populist agenda and defy the opposition parties (specifically the Lib Dems) to vote against. They will pick an issue which they think has strong public support but which all other parties are likely to oppose. When that happens, they will call an election.

 

If any of that happens you read it here first :lol:

 

The "deal" with the lib dems has been mentioned a few times in the past, but I think they're beyond that now. More than ever before, I think the Lib Dems will want to present themselves as a viable alternative in their own right against the two main parties when a General Election finally comes around...which will inevitably be June of next year.

The "deal" with the lib dems has been mentioned a few times in the past, but I think they're beyond that now. More than ever before, I think the Lib Dems will want to present themselves as a viable alternative in their own right against the two main parties when a General Election finally comes around...which will inevitably be June of next year.

In the campaign that's absolutely right. The Lib Dems will try to highlight the differences between themselves and the other two main parties. And, let's face it, there are plenty of them. I'm just looking at what might happen after the election.

I don't have a crystal ball so I think the result of the next general election will be too close to call.

 

I'd support the introduction of fixed term parliaments as suggested by David Cameron. I'd make the term 4 years - our governments always seem to crack up about then, whether Tory or Labour.

 

Mind you, I'd rather stick to the status quo then ever vote Tory.

Cameron is a bloody hypocrite though

 

Only last week he was demanding Brown dissolve parliament and call a general election even though Brown is a year away from the end of his fixed term :rolleyes: now this week he wants fixed terms, pathetic

Cameron, and in the past few weeks more than ever, simply declares what the public wants to hear at that exact time. It's a different matter entirely when he's in power (which I think we all agree is an inevitability) and his statements actually have some weight. It's pure New Labour pre 1997 and it'll come unstuck when, to use a crude phrase, his arse can't cash the cheque his mouth writes.