UGH, what a disgrace.

The Tories won the popular vote in Wales????!!!!!!!

 

 

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ahahaa this Brons guy is funny! "People who vote BNP know what they stand for".

The Scottish Results (minus the Western Isles who won't count on the Sabbath :lol: )

 

 

RESULTS, MINUS WESTERN ISLES

SNP - 318,360 votes (29.2%)

Labour - 228,731 votes (21%)

Tory - 185,283 votes (17%)

Lib Dem 126,749 votes (11.6%)

Swing to SNP - 7.46%

The Scottish Results (minus the Western Isles who won't count on the Sabbath :lol: )

RESULTS, MINUS WESTERN ISLES

SNP - 318,360 votes (29.2%)

Labour - 228,731 votes (21%)

Tory - 185,283 votes (17%)

Lib Dem 126,749 votes (11.6%)

Swing to SNP - 7.46%

That would give SNP and Labour two seats each, Tories and Lib Dems one each. I doubt there are enough votes from the Western Isles to change that.

That would give SNP and Labour two seats each, Tories and Lib Dems one each. I doubt there are enough votes from the Western Isles to change that.

 

 

Yip. You're dead right. Even though the SNP majorly outpolled Labour they end up with the same number of seats. :blink:

Scottish results breakdown here

 

 

http://news.stv.tv/politics/101115-europea...ottish-results/

Of course Fife is still stupid enough to vote for labour in their thousands :rolleyes:

 

And major :manson: at the SNP making serious inroads. For sure time to start working on a permanent escape plan. I hold english nationality, i want nothing to do with the f***ing country when they get a majority government at holyrood.

 

I'll bet that both the Liberal and Tory vote came from the north east. The land owners and St Andrews toffs going for the Torries. The rest of NE-Fife going Liberal to keep them out.

I doubt he is a millionaire in his own right, he was head of PR for a tv company before he became an MP which I doubt would give him anywhere near millionaire status in his own right but he does have an extremely wealthy wife

 

Denis Thatcher was a multi millionaire several times over as was Cherie Blair so if you include spouses there have been several

 

Both have significantly contributed to their combined fortune of more than 30 million.

I think people are getting carried away with Labours poor results and underestimate the size of the task David Cameron’s Conservatives face if they are to seize power in <11 months time.

 

Cameron needs a 6.9% swing just to get a majority of 2! The problem is that only twice since the war swings of that size have occurred in 1945 (Attlee) and 1997 (Blair). Even the last time Labour was in a state of disarray, Thatcher’s 1979 swing of 5.8% would see a hung parliament and a weak minority government if parties don’t share powers.

 

Both in 45 and 97 there was great enthusiasm for creating the NHS and Blair’s education education education pledge. I see no great appetite for a Conservative administration as an alternative just deep dissatisfaction at the current government focused on Brown.

 

You actually need popular POLICIES to get the big number swings and that’s severely lacking from the Conservatives. I don’t think they have time to get momentum behind the blueprint if they’re determined to keep it under wraps until dissolution of parliament.

 

Take a look at the local election results in 2004:

 

Con 38% Lab 26%.

 

Compared to the actual 2005 General Election:

 

Lab 35% (+9) Con 32% (-6).

 

So adding 9% to Labour’s and –6% from Conservatives 2009 local election results gives:

 

Lab 32% Con 32% -

 

A hung parliament, which is where I think the country, is at the moment.

Can you stop being so rude? :angry: Am I not entitled to my opinion about a former PM? Some people liked Blair and some detested him. Same with Brown, though not many like him! Just because you and others hate Thatcher doesn't mean everyone else has to. This is not Communist China or North Korea. :rolleyes:

 

The fact that you’re lauding a former prime minister whose policies have made your long term circumstances worse. Then intend to support a party at the next election who will cut your benefits demonstrates you’ve lost touch with the reality of your circumstances :wacko:. Do the happy pills make you feel like a millionaire? :lol:

 

Conservative HQ must love voluntary duped plebs like you like the dell boy style chavs in Basildon in the eighties. <_<

I think people are getting carried away with Labours poor results and underestimate the size of the task David Cameron’s Conservatives face if they are to seize power in <11 months time.

 

Cameron needs a 6.9% swing just to get a majority of 2! The problem is that only twice since the war swings of that size have occurred in 1945 (Attlee) and 1997 (Blair). Even the last time Labour was in a state of disarray, Thatcher’s 1979 swing of 5.8% would see a hung parliament and a weak minority government if parties don’t share powers.

 

Both in 45 and 97 there was great enthusiasm for creating the NHS and Blair’s education education education pledge. I see no great appetite for a Conservative administration as an alternative just deep dissatisfaction at the current government focused on Brown.

 

You actually need popular POLICIES to get the big number swings and that’s severely lacking from the Conservatives. I don’t think they have time to get momentum behind the blueprint if they’re determined to keep it under wraps until dissolution of parliament.

 

Take a look at the local election results in 2004:

 

Con 38% Lab 26%.

 

Compared to the actual 2005 General Election:

 

Lab 35% (+9) Con 32% (-6).

 

So adding 9% to Labour’s and –6% from Conservatives 2009 local election results gives:

 

Lab 32% Con 32% -

 

A hung parliament, which is where I think the country, is at the moment.

On the policies note, i could imagine come election time that Cameron will have something up his sleeve. Just like Salmond will. I would imagine that both of them would quite like to make considerable gains so will come up with election promises closer to the time that reflect what the people are demanding at that moment. The last scottish election saw a lot of hot air coming from all directions, mainly from the SNP who have failed to act on most, but quite crucially have done what the public wanted so do have something to build on. Cameron does have a slight advantage of not being labour, if he can build on that and have Obama style change policies then i can foresee Cameron just getting enough. If he fails, i'm sure the SNP would love to help to give him the majority in return for independence. They will clean up in Scotland. Labour will lose most of their seats, the torries only have one anyway, and the Liberals should hold strong.

 

LOL at UKIP winning the majority in the euro elections for Hull. Says it all really, Hull, the home of Alan Johnson, the so-called next leader of the Labour party doesn't even seem to have enough support in his home city. Big win for UKIP, but bigger loss for Labour...

Alan Johnson wasn't standing for the Euro elections ;) It may just be that he's popular in Hull but Labour as a whole aren't...

As I said at the beginning - I would welcome a hung parliament at the moment. A government majority has not helped us in these past few troublesome months and I'd like to see parties working together instead of pushing through whatever legislation the Commons top dogs want through three line whip votes.

 

At this point, however, I would not push for electoral reform - one thing the first past the post system does do is keep the likes of the f***ing BNP out of the Commons.

As I said at the beginning - I would welcome a hung parliament at the moment. A government majority has not helped us in these past few troublesome months and I'd like to see parties working together instead of pushing through whatever legislation the Commons top dogs want through three line whip votes.

 

At this point, however, I would not push for electoral reform - one thing the first past the post system does do is keep the likes of the f***ing BNP out of the Commons.

But quite sadly, it also keeps the Greens out of the Commons as well...and the Tories and New Labour in the vast majority -_-

The problem with Westminster is that MPs are more accountable to their party whips than their constituents, especially when there is a small minority. The electors feel that no-one listens to them anyway. The media are sometimes on their side but only if it fits in with their prejudices.

 

It would take a very brave government to change that.

As I said at the beginning - I would welcome a hung parliament at the moment. A government majority has not helped us in these past few troublesome months and I'd like to see parties working together instead of pushing through whatever legislation the Commons top dogs want through three line whip votes.

 

At this point, however, I would not push for electoral reform - one thing the first past the post system does do is keep the likes of the f***ing BNP out of the Commons.

There are voting systems, such as the single transferable vote, which would almost certainly still prevent the BNP from getting any seats. Not that that should be a reason for favourirg the system.

That's true, it's the additional member system or true PR that lets them in. I can't see the BNP being anyone's second favourite party - they're surely 1st and only votes for their crazed supporters.

 

Mind you, I seem to recall the STV working spectacularly badly in the Scottish parliament elections - some people can't understand much more than "put an x in a box".

That's true, it's the additional member system or true PR that lets them in. I can't see the BNP being anyone's second favourite party - they're surely 1st and only votes for their crazed supporters.

 

Mind you, I seem to recall the STV working spectacularly badly in the Scottish parliament elections - some people can't understand much more than "put an x in a box".

STV works perfectly well in Ireland (and Northern Ireland in the euro-elections). The system of counting the votes is quite complicated but you don't need to understand that to cast a vote.

The Tories won the popular vote in Wales????!!!!!!!

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no - Labour lost theirs.

 

The Conservative vote in Wales nudged upwards slightly, hardly an increase in actual Tory voters - the Labour vote plummeted, hence giving the 2nd party here the biggest vote - I bet many disillusioned Laabour voters who decided to vote Plaid or UKIP are kicking themselves today - myself included.