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height of her career.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Yeah, the "scary, bald lesbian" look..... :lol:

Excellent post.... It may sound cliche, but in the words of the late Roy Castle - "Dedication - that's what you need"..... Britney has proven that she never really HAD any dedication in the first place to her craft.. Jacko once did, but is now just pathetically trying to cling onto former glories, it's like, give it up mate, you're just embarrassing yourself.... It astounds me that the likes of Iggy Pop and Mick Jagger can bounce around a stage like they're still in their 20s whereas a woman who should be in her physical prime is barely capable of dancing and cant even sing while she's moving around... Iggy in particular is one seriously fit guy, have you seen his washboard stomach and muscle tone... He's totally wired with a lot of physical stamina and abdominal support like you said, and he obviously works out and looks after himself.... The likes of Jagger and Iggy do their craft proud and show their professionalism and dedication every night they get on a stage, these are TRUE performers and entertainers.....

 

Exactly, no fukkin excuses Britney has, she is just a fraud, any poledancer/lapdancer from a Soho club could do what she does :rolleyes:

 

Britney fans should take a look at some of the clips of the most recent Tina Turner tour, vigorous routines and high energy and this is from someone aged SEVENTY TWO yet she put more energy and effort into her routines than Britney does

 

But I think the whole acceptance of Britney's behaviour at her gigs by many younger people reflects a general dumbing down of morals and standards in younger society, teenagers accept as the norm footballers diving and cheating whereas it was unheard of in our day, footballers behaved like gentlemen on the pitch and the tough stuff was hard but fair from the likes of Norman Hunter and Dave MacKay. Teenagers accept as the norm people just using Google and copy pasting Google stuff in essays as opposed to doing research and then getting good marks because of something that was written on Google as opposed to something they did themselves, this generation is bought up on a diet of reality tv and media worshipping of plastic bints like Jordan and Paris Hilton so it is not surprising that standards are slipping and the stuff that is done by Britney is considered acceptable

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by B.A Baracus

Exactly, no fukkin excuses Britney has, she is just a fraud, any poledancer/lapdancer from a Soho club could do what she does :rolleyes:

 

Britney fans should take a look at some of the clips of the most recent Tina Turner tour, vigorous routines and high energy and this is from someone aged SEVENTY TWO yet she put more energy and effort into her routines than Britney does

 

But I think the whole acceptance of Britney's behaviour at her gigs by many younger people reflects a general dumbing down of morals and standards in younger society, teenagers accept as the norm footballers diving and cheating whereas it was unheard of in our day, footballers behaved like gentlemen on the pitch and the tough stuff was hard but fair from the likes of Norman Hunter and Dave MacKay. Teenagers accept as the norm people just using Google and copy pasting Google stuff in essays as opposed to doing research and then getting good marks because of something that was written on Google as opposed to something they did themselves, this generation is bought up on a diet of reality tv and media worshipping of plastic bints like Jordan and Paris Hilton so it is not surprising that standards are slipping and the stuff that is done by Britney is considered acceptable

 

To be fair though, there's actually less miming on telly now than there was 20-odd years ago... TOTP kind of changed the rules sometime in the early/mid 90s, and you never saw a mimer on stuff like Chris Evans or Johnathan Ross.....

 

The stuff generally about cheating is spot on though, Academic plagiarism is becoming a HUGE problem now.....

To be fair though, there's actually less miming on telly now than there was 20-odd years ago... TOTP kind of changed the rules sometime in the early/mid 90s, and you never saw a mimer on stuff like Chris Evans or Johnathan Ross.....

 

I have never been that bothered by miming on tv, its free, some of the miming on X Factor cracked me up tbh but that costs nothing, Britney is making millions out of defrauding the public at live shows, sure the likes of Tyler and Scherz would go see her no matter what but I would bet a good 10-20% of those that go to the gigs do not know she mimes and even if ONE person out of 20,000 wasn't aware she mimes then money has been effectively obtained by deception, the likes of Tyler and Scherz would probably jump off a building if Britney told them to they are so up her but "casual" fans are being ripped off blind at her "gigs" right in the tail end of a bloody recession, the woman has no shame

To be fair though, there's actually less miming on telly now than there was 20-odd years ago... TOTP kind of changed the rules sometime in the early/mid 90s, and you never saw a mimer on stuff like Chris Evans or Johnathan Ross.....

 

The stuff generally about cheating is spot on though, Academic plagiarism is becoming a HUGE problem now.....

 

they always mimed on totp.... which is why it wasnt taken seriously, in fact id suggest that totp did more harm to pop music then good.... possibly... it just seems strange that when in this decade totp got its act together and encouraged most acts to perform live....it was taken off air! but in general, totp was somewhat looked down on and derided, especially when other music shows like the old grey whistle test and the tube did have live acts on.

 

 

Phil, that comment wasn't actually aimed at you particularly... I KNOW you've been to local pub gigs, you've mentioned it in various posts in other threads.. A REAL pub is firstly someplace that isn't some poncy wine bar or a place which only sells over-priced bottled pish-water lager and alcopops.. A REAL pub sells REAL ale and proper beer and cider by the tap, and has an atmosphere about it.. Preferably, it's also a place where you might hear some local acts as well... Example of a great, proper pub, the Dublin Castle in Camden... A brilliant pub, one of the best in London, and a great place to see live music as well.... :)

 

Anyway, I think you'll find that I've actually given Sugababes some credit for doing their sh!t live.... I believe my exact words were - "I could probably even get caught up at a.... Sugababes gig because at least they put on a performance....".

 

At the end of the day, I knew who the fakes were and who was real when I was 15, I knew that SAW was a load of old bollocks and it was a bunch of old men in tacky suits trying to sell sh!te to us kids... And, I see nothing's changed really, Pete Watertwat, etc, has just been replaced by Simon Cowell and Louis Walsh....

 

I do know that, some credit if you please, i am not as stupid as i sometimes appear to be. I was just pointing out it was a rather harsh stereotype of my generation. Granted i do know some people who would half fit that stereotype, but i f***ing hate the things.

 

In that case, i'm safe! I prefer spirits personally so i'll stick to Temple Lane in Dundee, and Tonic when one of my friends works. I hear they've got an acoustic night on the go now :dance: Dundee is rather excellent for real pubs.

 

I did note the inclusion of the Sugababes in a previous post, i replied to that one. I merely brought them up as an example to disprove the stereotype.

 

I do think it's quite obvious as to who the fakes are, but i do think you are being overly harsh on our generation. We are no-longer as easily spoon fed as we once were. Christ at one point my 3 favourite acts were Lolly, Daphne and Celeste and the Spice Girls. I would never say that publicly, thank god for Puretone and Addicted to Bass. Even if i had to wait a further two years for the album :lol: my point would be that we are rather savvy kids, we do tend to be aware of what we are letting our selves in for. Naturally there are people out there who do buy into it, but luckily for the human race and the music industry, not all of us do.

 

But I think the whole acceptance of Britney's behaviour at her gigs by many younger people reflects a general dumbing down of morals and standards in younger society, teenagers accept as the norm footballers diving and cheating whereas it was unheard of in our day, footballers behaved like gentlemen on the pitch and the tough stuff was hard but fair from the likes of Norman Hunter and Dave MacKay. Teenagers accept as the norm people just using Google and copy pasting Google stuff in essays as opposed to doing research and then getting good marks because of something that was written on Google as opposed to something they did themselves, this generation is bought up on a diet of reality tv and media worshipping of plastic bints like Jordan and Paris Hilton so it is not surprising that standards are slipping and the stuff that is done by Britney is considered acceptable

Who said its accepted? Another one of those evil stereotypes. Britney falls into the pure pop category, her target fan base ranges, but the genre as a whole has an appeal to young girls. Pre-teens. These young children i highly doubt care that she is miming, if they know at all. They are likely to be impressed by the show she puts on and are very likely to be in awe of Brit.

 

Diving is not on, cheating as a whole is disgusting. Dwayne Johnstone imho should have had an outright ban from all competitive sports. Any athlete who is caught cheating should have the same applied to them. They don't just disgrace themselves and their country they disgrace their sport and all it's fans and participants. I don't know where you get the view that diving is considered ok, because trust me it isn't. The people i grew up with at least didn't think it was ok.

 

I know that people do take the easy way out, but it's a sweeping generalisation to accuse us all of doing it. If the same technology had been available to you when you were growing up, could you say your generation wouldn't have done the same?

 

I think there is a celeb culture delivered to us by the media. As young people we are quite impressionable, they serve as role models for millions. Like them or loathe them. Jordan and Paris are shrewd business women. As people grow up, they will grow out of it. When your total life experience is high school it's a lot to ask for people to be aware of things that just don't seem that important to them at that moment in time. Yes the recession is a big thing, you'll have the ear of any business student, but outside of that it doesn't directly impact the majority therefore it doesn't interest them as much as who dumped who yesterday after they were caught behind the bike shed with so and so.

I haven't got time to reply in full now but just couple of things there that grabbed my attention

 

In terms of diving it is socially acceptable in football now among kids, the 2 most popular footballers in this country are Steven Gerrard and Cristiano Ronaldo, they are both also at the same time the 2 most notorious divers in world football probably along with Emannuele Eboue so when kids see Gerrard and Ronaldo dive they are going to dive themselves, I have seen it in family kickarounds mate, I have seen it in school games where I have gone to support my nephews, diving is rife but instead of being shamed and frowned upon it is considered the norm in football now whereas when I gre up watching football in the mid to late 70's someone dived they would have been dealt with by their own team mates in very firm fashion

 

In terms of the cheating in essays while I was not implying that everyone does it a very sizeable minority do do it and the reaction from fellow youngsters seems to be "good on you mate, nice one ^_^ " where it should be "you cheating c**t you should be expelled", cheating in exams and stealing work off Google is considered socially acceptable whereas in my day it was unheard of, probably because Google didn't exist lol but even if it had previous generations had more values

 

So in a society where cheating is considered acceptable almost to the point of hero worship in large sections of the young it is not surprising that they in turn turn a blind eye to performers like Britney Spears cheating

21 pages and no single ranting word of McFly, I'm glad :D Sorry for offtopic

 

Personaly I absolutely agree with GRIMLY FIENDISH. It shouldn't be allowed, as for me it looks rather digusting when artist can't even 'pretend' to be singing and open a mouth in right time :huh:

 

Unfortunately it's widely spread in my country, can't watch this, it can ruin a great performmance and my attitude to song will certainly change.

...... like a robot... just going through the motions, compared with the 'great' performers shes crass.

It makes me laugh when you say these things like you have actually BEEN there and seen it with your own eyes. (Which I'm just assuming you haven't, if you HAVE I apologise) but I tell you now, she really DOESN'T perform "like a robot". It's been known that her dancing is improving with each show and her moves are getting alot tighter the more times she performs the songs. I've been there, I've seen it with my own eyes, the dance breaks of each song that she performs, are nice, tight and smooth, no faults WHAT SO EVER.

It makes me laugh when you say these things like you have actually BEEN there and seen it with your own eyes. (Which I'm just assuming you haven't, if you HAVE I apologise) but I tell you now, she really DOESN'T perform "like a robot". It's been known that her dancing is improving with each show and her moves are getting alot tighter the more times she performs the songs. I've been there, I've seen it with my own eyes, the dance breaks of each song that she performs, are nice, tight and smooth, no faults WHAT SO EVER.

 

But the whole point (and I could kick myself for bringing this thread up to the top again) is that Grim, Mush, myself and a lot of other people here are not going to go to see her - because she mimes. For me the whole point of going to a 'live' concert is to hear something familiar that is going to be 'fresh' and different each time as it is sung live. If there are great visuals then thats an added bonus. In this instance, Mush and Grim are quite within their rights to condemn her as it is a proven fact that she doesn't sing live at her 'live' shows.

 

Having said that ... you're quite correct in that, having not seen the shows, we are not qualified to comment on her movements and dancing ... but there is something in your write-up there that I can pick at a little. "Her dancing is improving with each show and her moves are getting a lot tighter the more times she performs the songs". I'm sorry - but as she doesn't have to worry about singing - her dancing should have been step-perfect from the very first show ... for the amount of money her fans are paying ... they shouldn't be used for her 'warm-ups' until she gets it spot-on. But then again ... her fans don't mind ... its their money.

 

Norma

Edited June 12, 200916 yr by Norma_Snockers

But the whole point (and I could kick myself for bringing this thread up to the top again) is that Grim, Mush, myself and a lot of other people here are not going to go to see her - because she mimes. For me the whole point of going to a 'live' concert is to hear something familiar that is going to be 'fresh' and different each time as it is sung live. If there are great visuals then thats an added bonus. In this instance, Mush and Grim are quite within their rights to condemn her as it is a proven fact that she doesn't sing live at her 'live' shows.

 

Having said that ... you're quite correct in that, having not seen the shows, we are not qualified to comment on her movements and dancing ... but there is something in your write-up there that I can pick at a little. "Her dancing is improving with each show and her moves are getting a lot tighter the more times she performs the songs". I'm sorry - but as she doesn't have to worry about singing - her dancing should have been step-perfect from the very first show ... for the amount of money her fans are paying ... they shouldn't be used for her 'warm-ups' until she gets it spot-on. But then again ... her fans don't mind ... its their money.

 

Norma

I wasn't talking about the singing live thing :heehee: so there wasn't really any need to bring it up "again" :P I was more aiming it at how Mushy was saying her performances were "robotic" when he hadn't seen anything. :P

 

Yes I see your point about her "not worrying about singing, so her dancing should be step perfect from the get go" or whatever, but this is her first world tour since 2004, it's also the first tour since her "breakdown", losing custody of her kids, the disastrous MTV performance, so her confidence has (understandably) MASSIVELY decreased since 2004. I believe she is now nearly at the level in which she wants to be at, and hopefully this tour is just to give her a major confidence boost and that she tours again sometime, as I really think now she really IS ready to give the live performances that are reminiscent of her past performances.

 

(Hope none of that sounded rude or anything as it's NOT intended in that way what-so-ever LOL - and I also HOPE it made sense to you :heehee:)

(Hope none of that sounded rude or anything as it's NOT intended in that way what-so-ever LOL - and I also HOPE it made sense to you :heehee:)

 

It didn't sound rude at all. In fact it is nice when people can have different points of view without resorting to personal insults and whatever. I trust though, that if this tour does give Britney the confidence boost people believe she needs, then her next tour will see her singing live. If she doesn't ... will excuses still be made for her?

 

Norma

It didn't sound rude at all. In fact it is nice when people can have different points of view without resorting to personal insults and whatever. I trust though, that if this tour does give Britney the confidence boost people believe she needs, then her next tour will see her singing live. If she doesn't ... will excuses still be made for her?

 

Norma

 

No, people will either have to accept that she's a mime act or stop buying her music and going to her concerts, making her not fruitful commercially anymore and therefore making her vanish from music business and entertainment.

No, people will either have to accept that she's a mime act or stop buying her music and going to her concerts, making her not fruitful commercially anymore and therefore making her vanish from music business and entertainment.

 

Now that is an interesting point of view.

 

You could therefore argue that the worst offenders contributing to her success are those who buy her albums, yet sneer at her as a credible artist for miming on tour.

 

I.E. People like me. Then again there are probably more Keri Hilson vocals on Blackout than Britney's... :lol:

 

 

Now that is an interesting point of view.

 

You could therefore argue that the worst offenders contributing to her success are those who buy her albums, yet sneer at her as a credible artist for miming on tour.

 

I.E. People like me. Then again there are probably more Keri Hilson vocals on Blackout than Britney's... :lol:

 

Unfortunately, I didn't understand what you meant there (the part in bold) so I can't reply to this post :(

 

 

Unfortunately, I didn't understand what you meant there (the part in bold) so I can't reply to this post :(

 

Without putting words into his (Rich's) mouth - I think he means that he likes the songs and buys the records. However, as Britney mimes all the time ... is it really her singing on the record? In which case ... he's buying what he thinks is Britney singing ... but it could be some ugly, hairy old hag from Oklahoma for all he knows - as the 'real' Britney has never sung live to prove otherwise!

 

Norma

 

I have had a glass or two of a divine red so my post may not make too much sense!

Without putting words into his (Rich's) mouth - I think he means that he likes the songs and buys the records. However, as Britney mimes all the time ... is it really her singing on the record? In which case ... he's buying what he thinks is Britney singing ... but it could be some ugly, hairy old hag from Oklahoma for all he knows - as the 'real' Britney has never sung live to prove otherwise!

 

Norma

 

I have had a glass or two of a divine red so my post may not make too much sense!

 

Thanks for explaining Norma ^_^ I'm glad I didn't reply cause I completely misunderstood what Rich's said.

 

Anyways, I've never defended Britney's miming and I never will. It's still a mystery to me as of why she's still in the business if people really don't believe in her and there's plenty of lack of credibility. Other acts would disappear without a doubt if they couldn't sustain their career proving live what they can do at a recording studio.

 

In the particular cases of Britney Spears and Michael Jackson, I personally don't think they lack of talent, they simply don't care/can't be arsed about singing live because the fans have shown them support through the years no matter what. Also, I think they're aware that their voices are weak and wouldn't be able to deliver amazing vocals.

Without putting words into his (Rich's) mouth - I think he means that he likes the songs and buys the records. However, as Britney mimes all the time ... is it really her singing on the record? In which case ... he's buying what he thinks is Britney singing ... but it could be some ugly, hairy old hag from Oklahoma for all he knows - as the 'real' Britney has never sung live to prove otherwise!

 

Norma

 

I have had a glass or two of a divine red so my post may not make too much sense!

 

Makes perfect sense to me, all this talk of her miming reminds of this article....Talk about dejavu

 

“And while Spears’ mouth moved along to the recorded verses and choruses, it was hard to understand why someone like Ashlee Simpson can be vilified for lip-synching on a free episode on “Saturday Night Live” while Spears can charge $750 and be congratulated for doing the same thing.”

 

Appears that for some its ok, and others get crucified, looks like because she had a hard time last year people are making excuses for her, whereas anyone else gets slated for being a fake.

 

But we shouldn't really be surprised by her singingmiming, as this article shows..........no its not the current tour, but one from 2004.

 

"At Wembley Arena POP babe BRITNEY SPEARS stunned a sell-out UK crowd last night by MIMING through her entire set. Britney, 22, looked sensational in a skin-tight PVC catsuit as she kicked off her tour in London. But the 12,000-strong Wembley Arena crowd ? who had paid at least £30 each for tickets ? could not believe it when she started lip-synching to a backing track. One angry fan said: “If I wanted to see somebody mime to music, I would have gone to Top of the Pops.” Britney ? who had a No 1 with Hit Me Baby One More Time ? began her hi-tech show with a dazzling display of pyrotechnics.

 

She then launched into her latest hit Toxic.

With her figure-hugging suit showing off her curves, fans were looking forward to a raunchy show to outdo rival Christina Aguilera.

But they were shocked when they realised the star had ducked out of singing live.

 

 

They hoped for more with her second track Overprotected ? but again were left disappointed as Britney continued to mime and kept it up throughout the show.

The fan added: “I’ve saved up to see Britney ? and I’m extremely disappointed.”

 

* BRITNEY raked in £17MILLION from the sale of T-shirts and posters during her latest American tour ? beating Madonna’s record.

 

She's cheating fans

 

SHOWBIZ Editor Victoria Newton writes: I’ve no idea why Britney felt she had to mime. She is one of our biggest, brightest and sexiest stars, she has a great voice and a great body to match ? but why cheat fans with a mimed performance?

Some of her biggest devotees have waited for years to see her perform live and are devastated that she has sold out.

I’m sure that Britney is going through a tough time in her life, but there’s no excuse for not performing at the highest level when you are being paid millions of pounds.

 

Published: 27 Apr 2004

 

Source: The Sun

 

I haven't got time to reply in full now but just couple of things there that grabbed my attention

 

In terms of diving it is socially acceptable in football now among kids, the 2 most popular footballers in this country are Steven Gerrard and Cristiano Ronaldo, they are both also at the same time the 2 most notorious divers in world football probably along with Emannuele Eboue so when kids see Gerrard and Ronaldo dive they are going to dive themselves, I have seen it in family kickarounds mate, I have seen it in school games where I have gone to support my nephews, diving is rife but instead of being shamed and frowned upon it is considered the norm in football now whereas when I gre up watching football in the mid to late 70's someone dived they would have been dealt with by their own team mates in very firm fashion

 

In terms of the cheating in essays while I was not implying that everyone does it a very sizeable minority do do it and the reaction from fellow youngsters seems to be "good on you mate, nice one ^_^ " where it should be "you cheating c**t you should be expelled", cheating in exams and stealing work off Google is considered socially acceptable whereas in my day it was unheard of, probably because Google didn't exist lol but even if it had previous generations had more values

 

So in a society where cheating is considered acceptable almost to the point of hero worship in large sections of the young it is not surprising that they in turn turn a blind eye to performers like Britney Spears cheating

 

I know you're trying to make an example Craig, but Steven Gerrard the SECOND biggest diver in the world?!?!! He's done it a few times i'll give you that, but comparing him to some of the foreign players such as Robben, Morten Gamst Pedernsen etc. etc. The only notable time he's ever done it was that time against Athletico Madrid.

I don't think she even gives a sh!t about any of the songs she's made anyway, its not like shes ever written her own unless that dire 'Mm Papi' counts.

 

 

Songs she has written or co- written:

 

Dear Diary

Anticipating

(I've Just Begun) Havin My Fun

And Then We Kiss

Everytime

Someday (I Will Understand)

That's Where You Take Me

Me Against The Music

Ooh Ooh Baby

Everybody

The Hook Up

Mona Lisa

Showdown

Touch Of My Hand

Mannequin

Mmm Papi

My Baby

Brave New Girl

Rebellion

State Of Grace

Let Go

Freakshow

Little Me

 

That's off the top of my head.

Edited June 13, 200916 yr by Tyler