It was inevitable, taking into account the general health of Labour and their relentless campaign to dupe "everyday people" as a credible party. They earned 3 seats, which out of over 1000, seems unremarkable, however they have made 3 from a previous 0 and battered Labour into 2nd place in various parts of the UK.

 

This is bad.

 

This writer for The Guardian makes a direct and bull$h!t-free account of these vile right-wing arseholes while making a plea for a confused minority to open their "thick heads".

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/jon...ody-susan-boyle

 

What are people's views? Is this something we need to be worried about, or merely a reflection of the current times which will die off?

Edited June 6, 200916 yr by ScottyEm

makes me physically ill that even one person would vote for this facist party, who are basically mirroring the Nazi party, history is repeating itself,

 

 

i don't see how people can vote for a party who are unnessarcarily violent and just plain racist.

The general failings of Labour before the election made it inevitable that both BNP and UKIP would gain more seats. I'm not sure whether it is something to worry about if I'm honest, we'll just have to see what happens in the BNP councils. I can't ever see the BNP ever getting into power, but I can see them being this "4th party" which constantly gets enough support to still pose a threat.

Edited June 6, 200916 yr by Jonny

The BNP have absolutely ZILCH chance of ever getting control of the country, purely because of the way we vote. If it was done by proportional representation then maybe. The thing is the BNP have had so much going their way - economic meltdown, MPs expenses, Labour being shyte etc. so it's no wonder they're taking advantage of it. The places where they're making grounds though is where there is real tension and very bad problems. We are a democratic country, so it'd be wrong to ban the BNP. What would this achieve? There are more extreme political parties than the BNP running in the UK. It's only because Nick Griffin is a good speaker and very well educated that they get so much attention.

 

Obviously the paralles between Nazi Germany and the BNP in our country are well, extremely similar, the doings of Hitler and the Nazis are an event that lessons have been learned from in Western Europe, at least I hope so. We're always going to get extreme people and politicians, as that's their views. Of course their views are compeltely off the wall, but what can we do about it? Unfortunately we have Neo-Nazis in every country.

Of course their views are compeltely off the wall, but what can we do about it? Unfortunately we have Neo-Nazis in every country.

 

well, frankly, we can BAN them under anti-terrorist legislation.... They have links the groups such as Combat 18, and Loyalist terrorists such as Johnny Adair.... We banned Abu Hamza and various Islamic organisations under the very same caveats... to NOT ban the BNP is a case of absolute double standards in my book.... Just because you dress in a nice Armani suit and pretend to be a politician, doesn't make you a legit politician.... I view the BNP in the same way I view the Bosnian Serb ultra nationalists tbh.... I really dont think that we should be pussyfooting around with these people and giving them legitimacy..

 

makes me physically ill that even one person would vote for this facist party, who are basically mirroring the Nazi party, history is repeating itself,

i don't see how people can vote for a party who are unnessarcarily violent and just plain racist.

I can.

 

The BNP's support in my view is split into three categories.

 

1) The "die-hard". These are the people that either

a) are attracted to extreme politics. They'd vote for the Communists if they had a strong enough party just as much as they'd vote for the BNP. B) the same folks that voted for the National Front etc, the people who actually hold the racial views that the BNP do.

 

2) The protest vote. These are the people who are disaffected with politics. Perhaps they don't agree with them at all, but it's a change from the neo-liberal policies that all the major parties hold. The centrist ground that "nu labour" took us into. The BNP are a better protest vote because, it might help the politicians actually shape up.

 

3) The ones who have no choice. These the unemployed or low wage workers, who feel abandoned by Westminster. In the past, even in this country, but more so in places like Russia. These working class people would go towards the left, but now "the left" are just the same as the Conservatives, or hardly exist at all. The BNP provide ample examples for scapegoats. Looking back into history, Jews, the Irish, Black people, Mexicans have all been used as scapegoats. Hell, for my coursework in History A-Level I managed to blabber on about "scapegoating" for ages! This time it's Eastern Europeans, and soon the BNP will use Turks if they get admitted to the EU. People who have lost their job, or wages have been driven down need someone to blame. BNP come along with their messages, the unemployed worker on the dole "puts 2 and 2 together" and there you go, another potential supporter. It's another thing them getting off their backsides and voting, but it's a start.

 

The "anti-BNP" campaign that has been spread about by the media, and groups like Unite Against Fascism, also I think help the BNP more than hinder. Giving vague statements like "Vote anyone but BNP" surely encourages people to have a look at why they're "so bad"? When you were a kid, when someone in authority said "don't do that", you would think about doing it?

 

I don't like the British National Party, as in the "politicians" who make the policy, spout racism and the like, but I could not for any moment share the same "hatred" a lot of the people who vote for them. Lifelong Labour voters, whose family have voted Labour since they were given the vote doesn't just turn "fascist" overnight...

a) are attracted to extreme politics. They'd vote for the Communists if they had a strong enough party just as much as they'd vote for the BNP.

 

There's no way that Socialists, Direct Action groups or Anarchists (who dont vote for anyone) would vote BNP.... I think you'll find that they'd tend to be anti-BNP..... Although I think you're right, there needs to be a strong leftist party like Militant or a resugence of the British Communist Party to counteract the BNP and give disillusioned working classes a REAL party of the Workers to vote for, because is sure aint Labour anymore....

 

There's no way that Socialists, Direct Action groups or Anarchists (who dont vote for anyone) would vote BNP.... I think you'll find that they'd tend to be anti-BNP..... Although I think you're right, there needs to be a strong leftist party like Militant or a resugence of the British Communist Party to counteract the BNP and give disillusioned working classes a REAL party of the Workers to vote for, because is sure aint Labour anymore....

I'm not really talking about the Socialists/Anarchist who are set in their beliefs. More about the sort of people, usually lower-class from my experience that has a "rebellious streak" as such and is attracted to the extremes of politics, maybe "just to be different". These sort of people could probably swallow any sort of daft propaganda from either side. I dunno what percentage of people this would take up, maybe it would be small but it's definitely there.

 

The problem with left-wing parties today is that they're horrifically divided. There is no sort of organised left-wing movement now. Respect were slowly getting there, and they then split. These factions do nothing apart from divide. This is the problem. Yes, the BNP also have internal strife, but they manage to keep the structure of the party united. I can only see the Greens really being a viable left-wing alternative to Labour, hopefully they will have got a decent percentage this European election.

 

The one other issue with attracting voters for the left is the fact that by it's nature, socialism/communism is more complicated. To potential supporters, you'd have to explain an ideology and terms that are far from simple. The BNP have a much easier job really, they can just blame whoever, government, immigrants, minorities. It's much more simple, and unfortunately, much more effective to do. And I'm not even going to go onto the fact that the left will always struggle to get finance, especially with this electoral system where an election is won or lost on how much is spent. I'm quite worried about the BNP winning a seat or two tonight, which will most definitely help them push on with the money received for the next election.

 

 

The BNP has won its first two seats in the European Parliament meaning that for the first time in UK history a far right party has been elected to a parliament.

 

They gained enough votes in the NW for their leader Nick Griffin to become a euro mp while they gained 10% in Yorkshire and Humberside including 17% of the vote in Barnsley.

 

Their two seats mean they can hire numerous ‘researchers’ and produce literature/propaganda at taxpayer’s expense.

 

TBH the amount of people in this country who have racist views is likely to be significantly more than the 6% who voted for the BNP. Their success has come not because more people voted for them, in fact they got less votes than in 2004, it is the collapse in the traditional hardcore working class Labour vote.

 

Labour’s policies under Gordon Brown such as scraping the 10p-starting rate for income tax etc now we’re in a recession have come back home to roost and alienated their core support. The BNP’s more moderate overtures for this campaign have unfortunately resonated with poor people in council squalor in the North who feel betrayed by the party which was set up to protect their interests.

 

Combating extremism is going to be a tad more complicated than simply banning the far right. Who incidentally have done much better in the Netherlands, which is traditionally one of the most Liberal tolerant countries in Europe, not to mention the anti gypsy votes in Eastern Europe…

as Charlie Brooker put it on twitter....

 

BNP voters have ruined the Anniv. of D-Day by metaphorically p***ing on the graves of all who died fighting the Nazis.

 

as Charlie Brooker put it on twitter....

 

BNP voters have ruined the Anniv. of D-Day by metaphorically p***ing on the graves of all who died fighting the Nazis.

 

Indeed. I've seen on Facebook groups and other places that a reason BNP voters are voting for them is because they're the only party that still wants the war heroes of this country to be remembered. They don't realise that these people would be turning in their graves at the thought of their grandchildren voting for the BNP, they were who they were fighting AGAINST!

 

Although Nick Griffin is a complete arsehole he, and the rest of the people who campaign for the party are very clever in the way they do so. They've use the local issue that the other parties haven't and the things that people care about. They're good with the local issues that are specific to a certain area (better than any of the major parties campaign), their "British Jobs For British Workers" message is going to work in places where there's high immigration and people are unemployed. Fletch is right about Scapegoating, I go to Uni in Sheffield and live right next to a fairly poor area and there a lot of foreigners there (I walked past the local school at hometime once and I saw one white kid, who spoke to his parents in a language I didn't recognise) and people have probably lost their jobs in the area. They're not particularly educated or informed and see these people as part of the reason and do use them as a scapegoat.

 

I do think that had these elections taken place on May 4th and June 4th that the BNP would not have gained any MEPs. There are two (slight) positives to take out of last night. One is that they didn't gain any votes, they only gained seats because of Labour's failings and the expenses scandal people didn't vote for them or transfer to another major party. The 1600 votes or whatever it was Labour needed to take Nick Griffin's seat, they would've got that a month ago. The other thing is that it's not a British problem, I watched all of the BBCs coverage last night and they kept saying that all over Europe that parties of the far-right were gaining seats, it's a pan-European failure of the left to offer any viable alternative.

Indeed. I've seen on Facebook groups and other places that a reason BNP voters are voting for them is because they're the only party that still wants the war heroes of this country to be remembered. They don't realise that these people would be turning in their graves at the thought of their grandchildren voting for the BNP, they were who they were fighting AGAINST!

 

Exactly.... My own Grandad was a life-long Trade Unionist, a dyed-in-the-wool old-skool Labour/Workers' Party man, fought in the war against Hitler, and also against Franco in Spain.... When Thatcher got into power, he remarked, "Christ, I killed people like her during the war, now they're putting them into power...." :lol: It's a good thing in a way that he died 15 years ago before he could see what his Party turned into under Tony fukkin' B-liar and Broon..... It would probably have killed him..... :(

 

I'm just very curious to know one thing here, if the BNP are so keen on giving the respect to the WW2 generation and people who fought and died for this country, er, what's their position on the Ghurkas.....? :thinking:

 

The BNP are an insult to that generation, and anyone who votes for them on that principle is an ignorant idiot as far as I'm concerned who knows absolutely nothing about that honourable generation and what they stood for and believed in.... They clearly read no history books either... Christ, what am I saying, they can probably barely even READ, period..... :rolleyes: inbred, Knuckle-dragging monkeys the fukkin lot of them... I wonder that if the Chartists or the Suffragettes could see the future would they have even BOTHERED to fight for the rights of these fukkin' chav morons to vote....? The idiot mantra of "British Jobs for British Workers" is particularly hilarious when you consider that there are loads of these maggots who are perfectly content to sit on the dole their whole lives or spit out litters of feral brats at the taxpayers expense, while it's the "bloody immigrants" who do all the jobs that these bone-idle c/unts are too lazy to do..... <_<

 

Given the choice of who I'd chuck out the country, hard working Poles or Czechs or bone-idle chav scum, it's a no-brainer.....

 

The BNP claim that the Gurkhas are 'mercenaries' and support the claim that they shouldn't get housing rights here as there isn't enough room :manson:

IMO the Gurkhas have far more right to housing and support than lazy layabout chav scum and the workshy w*n**rs hiding behind an 'illness'.

 

I would give my taxes to a Gurkha over Crazy Chris any day of the year.

 

They have fought for our country, and over the years help us remain a free country, and they have helped in many of our wars Illegal or not, they have helped us greatly. They deserve more of a reward than thanks and a free flight to the country they originated from. They deserve to be treated with dignity and respect. They deserve the right to stay in the UK if they so wish. Our government should be bending over backwards to help them and our servicemen instead of creating a system of state spongers, career parents and lazy chav scum.

Thankfully no right wing parties seem to make much inroad in Scotland where the protest vote still seems to go to the SNP although they're the governing party and they beat Labour vote share by over 8%. Labour retained their 2 MEPs.

Edited June 8, 200916 yr by Baytree

Everyone needs to look at the positive side of the BNP's results. This election had probably the most advantageous conditions they're ever going to get (recession, huge anger at political establishment, an election where people feel they can protest vote), and yet, they still only got 2 seats. That's definitely 2 more seats than they should've done, but it affirms the belief that they will never become a force.

The BNP leaflet I received had a doctor saying he was going to vote BNP because he'd seen the effect of immigration on the NHS. Yes, immigrants provide a rather large proportion of the staff. Without them, the NHS would collapse.

The BNP leaflet I received had a doctor saying he was going to vote BNP because he'd seen the effect of immigration on the NHS. Yes, immigrants provide a rather large proportion of the staff. Without them, the NHS would collapse.

 

Exactly. Although is is largely down to the fact of how SHOCKINGLY BAD the pay is to become a nurse for example, especially taking into consideration what they do. I do think the goverment need to realise this.

 

If anything the BNP getting elected into the EU, could actually be seen as a good thing. I've seen/read so much outrage over the past 24 hours, from younger people especially, that maybe the message is getting through. The naivety of the British public, and the actions of the Libs, Labour and the Torries have allowed BNP to get elected. It takes two to tango afterall.

About the doctor thing, I thought that it was 'made up'; they had just taken a random photo of a doctor and added a quote, I think it's mentioned here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2...15875-21365018/

About the doctor thing, I thought that it was 'made up'; they had just taken a random photo of a doctor and added a quote, I think it's mentioned here http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2...15875-21365018/

That wouldn't be a big surprise