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I don't think it would be as much of a nightmare as people seem to think...to qualify you'd probably only need about 30-35 points and a good enough track could surely garner that many points from 17/18 countries in a semi...it's highly unlikely that an R&B song would be drawn into a semi with 17 indie countries (there aren't even that many of them!)...

 

I know it will never happen, I just think that it actually could work

All that may be true, but it's not about being drawn into a semi with 17 indie countries - it would only theoretically involve being plopped into a semi with the half of voters that don't end up voting for a winner, which is very likely! That's not to say it would be a semi with ALL people who wouldn't vote for it, but it would give greater scope for more unfairness on the matter...

 

And secondly, it wouldn't work as a replacement for this. Without making it distinctly unfair (i.e. having less than half the countries in a semi qualify), you could only go up to 55/56 countries at the very most with three semis, with 3x18 + 1/2 autoqualifiers and 9 qualifying from each semi. At the current rate of growth (at least 3 countries joining per contest, plus a few returning), we would have to revert to the waiting list eventually...I would rather see everyone with a fairer chance of qualifying than it being diluted because we let everyone in, causing ourselves incessant hassle in the process by converting to three semis and the subsequent moans that would occur as a result of doing so, as well as having numbers swell so qualification becomes ever rarer...if there's one thing I've learned, it's that BJSC participants are never happy, as evidenced now with complaints against something we put down to them to decide! :lol:

Can you keep us updated on who can qualify for this contest, because I'm still in the dark how the waiting list works, I know for a fact BaNG is definitely thru, and I can't see Frahliso entering this month, which means cabbage goes thru :drama:
Is Stevinia meant to be "cabbage" as we are second on the waiting list behind Bang?
Is Stevinia meant to be "cabbage" as we are second on the waiting list behind Bang?

No, B-rye is cabbage as his country is Egabbac (cabbage backwards), so maybe this means you will participate :D

Is Stevinia meant to be "cabbage" as we are second on the waiting list behind Bang?

 

oops -_- I meant to say Stevinia, I couldn't remember if you was second or third :drama: , so cabbage is third

 

 

 

Wow i didn't see that. I am a dunce. Hopefully I get in although I don't think I will qualify as Asher Roth isn't exactly BuzzJackish is he.
Could Üürniköök be added to the Waiting List, please? :heehee: :kink: :dancing: :cry:
anselm, I guess u have to wait for another 3 months to qualify for this contest...u just joined this forum 5 minutes ago.
All that may be true, but it's not about being drawn into a semi with 17 indie countries - it would only theoretically involve being plopped into a semi with the half of voters that don't end up voting for a winner, which is very likely! That's not to say it would be a semi with ALL people who wouldn't vote for it, but it would give greater scope for more unfairness on the matter...

 

And secondly, it wouldn't work as a replacement for this. Without making it distinctly unfair (i.e. having less than half the countries in a semi qualify), you could only go up to 55/56 countries at the very most with three semis, with 3x18 + 1/2 autoqualifiers and 9 qualifying from each semi. At the current rate of growth (at least 3 countries joining per contest, plus a few returning), we would have to revert to the waiting list eventually...I would rather see everyone with a fairer chance of qualifying than it being diluted because we let everyone in, causing ourselves incessant hassle in the process by converting to three semis and the subsequent moans that would occur as a result of doing so, as well as having numbers swell so qualification becomes ever rarer...if there's one thing I've learned, it's that BJSC participants are never happy, as evidenced now with complaints against something we put down to them to decide! :lol:

3 x 24...the semis are a perfect size at the moment.

If we had 3 semis...wed be shifting more $h!t out of the final imo. Especially if there are like 24 in the semis. :lol:

It means only songs that TRUELY deserve to qualify...do so. :)

(Unfortunately Juranabaijan would be pushed into non-stop DNQs. But i don't mind that :lol:)

As long as the semis don't get longer than the final...i dont see what the issue is tbhz. (IMO, the final should be 28 (with 3 semis) or 27 (with 2 semis) songs...no more...like Rich, i'm not feelin' this whole 29 song final thing.)

 

And with this waiting list thing. I find it a bit rubbish. Mainly as some months i do not feel like participating...but in order to carry on the next month i'll HAVE to enter. =/ That is more likely to reduce the quality of the competition as people enter rubbish songs purely to guarantee there place in the next competition.

 

With the waiting list...why is the 3 month restriction neccessary??? I mean...if they are put on the waiting list and then just ditch BuzzJack then its hardly causing any harm as they haven't entered the contest. :lol: Plus they'll have to wait to compete...so will be more likely to post in other areas of the forum.

 

I'm gonna stop talking out of my arse now. :lol:

Am I second on the waiting list behind Rivandia? Because I see that Stevinia, Egabbac and Johntopia have all reserved/confirmed songs.
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3 x 24...the semis are a perfect size at the moment.

If we had 3 semis...wed be shifting more $h!t out of the final imo. Especially if there are like 24 in the semis. :lol:

It means only songs that TRUELY deserve to qualify...do so. :)

(Unfortunately Juranabaijan would be pushed into non-stop DNQs. But i don't mind that :lol:)

As long as the semis don't get longer than the final...i dont see what the issue is tbhz. (IMO, the final should be 28 (with 3 semis) or 27 (with 2 semis) songs...no more...like Rich, i'm not feelin' this whole 29 song final thing.)

 

And with this waiting list thing. I find it a bit rubbish. Mainly as some months i do not feel like participating...but in order to carry on the next month i'll HAVE to enter. =/ That is more likely to reduce the quality of the competition as people enter rubbish songs purely to guarantee there place in the next competition.

 

With the waiting list...why is the 3 month restriction neccessary??? I mean...if they are put on the waiting list and then just ditch BuzzJack then its hardly causing any harm as they haven't entered the contest. :lol: Plus they'll have to wait to compete...so will be more likely to post in other areas of the forum.

 

I'm gonna stop talking out of my arse now. :lol:

The thing is though, we don't exactly HAVE much $h!t in the final at the moment! People say basically every contest how hard it is to vote and that we have the best final yet etc...to have 24 in a semi but only 9 qualifying would be ridiculous. If anything would give greater scope to the problem of being in an unfavourable semi, it would be that...I know people say 'oh, but if a song's a winner it should be universal', but the thing is it ISN'T (a winner only gets half the votes on average - theoretically at the moment we could end up losing a winner at the semi stages, but it is probably a very rare occurence. Just watch when we get three semis though - you'll have finalists decided by only 33% of the voters, so it could be very likely we could end up losing a winner - not necessarily with nul points remember, it would only have to be enough to just miss out!), and we're not just on about winners here - Cadbury sent the Yeah Yeah Yeah's with Heads Will Roll in XV, and qualified by a mere two points. They then went on to finish top ten in the final, so it's not just about winners - and if that's happening with TWO semis, just imagine how much of a problem it would be with three! Every contest would be an absolute bloodbath, and I don't think it would at all be good for the contest if you had 73 or so countries participating and only 27-9 getting through.

 

And re: the waiting list thing, if you genuinely can't enter a contest, just talk to one of the mods and we'll sort you out a place for the next one. Or we could run a system whereby you can reserve a place for the next contest if you don't want to take part in this one? I can't imagine many people would want to forgo one contest for the next...again, people say we'll end up with bad entries as a result, but think about it - not that many people tend to pull out for a contest for non-necessary reasons :lol:

 

The waiting list is for two reasons - primarily to avoid aliases, as under the previous system it was far too easy for someone to sign up straight away and jump into the contest. Now they'll have to be very determined aliases...and think about it, isn't it fairly suspiscious in itself that someone seems to understand the whole contest from the get-go? :lol: Especially when there are loads of people who've been here over a year who are afraid to sign up as they don't understand? (I hear all the time people reminiscing that they had seen the BJSC but didn't join up until months later as they didn't understand) Secondly to reduce the pressure on the contest that we have at the moment in terms of participating numbers...

 

Does that answer your questions? ^_^

you make very valid points, many of which I agree with, I just hate this waiting list :( and I can see that there is a strong fear of putting the winning song into the wrong semi but we are potentially turning away the winning song by not letting the country compete in the first place

 

I'd hate to have to sit on a potential winner for 3 or more months if I was on the waiting list...I'd get bored of it in that time :heehee: timing is key with some winners, I can't see I Kissed A Girl/Love Song winning if they was entered now :lol:

 

Obviously I know that we can't change things as the contest has got far too big now, and there is no easy way around it, I'm just voicing my concerns...in an ideal world everybody would participate, but none of us have time to listen to 60 new songs in one week :lol:

There needs to be limits on the amount of countries becuase of the amount of votes there would be. Rich said after the last contest it's much harder to host now than when he previously did it because of the sheer volume of work you get through so many participants. If it goes over 50 countries it can't be much over 50 as it'd be too much work.

 

3 semis just wouldn't work. If you had 53 countries, with 2 semis you have 1 autoqualifier, and then 2 semis of 26 songs with 14 going through from each and 12 going out giving you just over 50% chance of going through.

 

For 3 semis you'd have 2 autoqualifiers with 3 semis of 17 songs. Of which 9 would qualify to give 29 in the final again. 9/17 chance is again, just over 50% chance of qualifying.

 

So by having another semi all you've done is reduced the chance of your song being in with people who love it, and reduced the chance of being in the same semi as songs you love yourself! It just doesn't make any sense!

this is very true actually Mark, doing the prep for 70 odd countries would take forever, and the results would take a ridiculosly long time to get through :drama:

 

I no there's no realistic way to solve the problem of people having to miss contests, it just seems a shame

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RFC sums up EXACTLY my thinking on this in a manner slightly different from mine which all too clearly shows another reason why having three semis is neither viable nor desirable.

 

Is it too late to change mod? :kink:

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