I've added a 2nd & 3rd Paragraph to my Post -below - so that all can see everything

that Baby P went through.....

 

The Mother used to go into the Garden - smoking - while Baby P was being tortured.

She said that she could not stand to hear the Baby's screams. She didn't do a thing about any of it.

 

The Step Dad trained his Rottweiler to open its jaws wide, & he'd then put the Baby's head in the Dogs

mouth. He then encouraged the Dog to bite down on the Baby's head. The Coroner found the Dog's teeth

marks on the Baby's head. Basically the Step Dad was just constantly thinking of new ways to torture

the Baby - Baby P - Peter Connolly. So he trained the Rottweiler to attack the Baby. He also sliced off

the tips of some of the Baby's fingers - using a Stanley Knife. It is better that these things are known

- so that all can see what they did to that Baby. Even though it makes me want to vomit. Even though

I see his face when I go to sleep every Night, & feel haunted by his pain, & his fate.

 

A Woman in the USA has very recently been given 99 Years in Jail, for cutting her Baby Boy's genitals off

- whilst she was off her head on Drugs. But, the 3 Savages who tortured Baby P, get next to nothing, for what

they did to that little Baby. He was 17 Months old when he Died, & he'd been tortured for at least the last

3 to 5 Months of his short life. He never knew love - just torture & pain. Even Satan would not want such

vile, Sub-Human creatures in Hell. I want all 3 of them to be cast down so far, that even Satan has to

look down, to see where they are - using a telescope. And I hope that if there is an Heaven, that Baby P

is being loved & looked after, as if he is the most precious Baby in the entire Universe. I am not Religious, but

I can only find comfort in this matter, by the thought that Baby P is in a better place - & that his 3 tormentors

have a fate worse than Hell waiting for them, when they die.

 

 

The Baby was made to do 'Sieg Heils' by his Step Dad - or he got beaten up. If his Step Dad

clicked his fingers, the Baby had to get into a pose, where he was sat on the floor with his head

touching the ground. He was not allowed to lift his head again until his Step Dad clicked his fingers.

He was made to stay in that pose for 20 Minutes at a time - sometimes longer.

 

 

The Step Dad also lay him on his back, naked, & would punch the Baby in the testicles - over and over.

He would sit him on a Computer Chair, & whirl it around - punching the Baby, as it turned. The Baby

would fall off, & be put back on the Chair, for more torture.

 

The Baby's ribs were broken, & his finger nails were pulled out with Pliers. His toe nails were also

tortured. The Baby would scream & scream & scream, & not one of those 3 'People' gave a damn.

 

His real Father had custody of him, every Weekend or so. The last time the Father saw him, he delivered

him back to the 'Mother', & the Baby screamed 'Daddy! Daddy! Daddy!', because he did not want to go back.

He knew that as soon as that evil Bitch got him indoors, he'd be beaten & tortured again - and that even his

real Father did not seem to care. Baby P would scream - in terror - everytime the Step Dad came into the Room.

 

One of the 2 Brothers in the House, broke the Baby's back. The Coroner said that the Baby had either

been put over someones knee, & had his back bent like a twig - or he'd had his back slammed down on

something like a Bannister on the Stairs. (So, even had he lived he'd have never been able to walk again).

 

He was finally killed, when one of the 'Men' punched him in the face so hard that one of his teeth was

knocked down his throat. He slowly Died - in his Cot - that Night. There was blood over his clothes.

Someone had also swung him about - by his Ears - so that one of them was hanging off.

 

I do not like violence, but I cannot bear what they did to that Baby, & I think that all 3 of them deserve

to Die - slowly.

 

It is even said that the Step Dad filmed himself torturing the Baby, via his Mobile, & that he's buried

the 'phone in some Woods - hoping that no-one ever sees what he filmed.

 

There are not enough tears on Earth to weep enough for Baby P - and not enough pain in the World for

the 3 'People' behind it, to endure.

Edited August 23, 200915 yr by zeus555

Absolutely terrible. Can't believe what I'm reading. Just enforces my view that all three should be locked up for the rest of their lives with nothing but bread and water. No TV, DVD, music, nothing.

Edited August 23, 200915 yr by Crazy Chris

I am anti death penalty but cases like this weaken my resolve all the time

I am anti death penalty but cases like this weaken my resolve all the time

 

 

Agreed B.A. String the buggers up. :angry:

I am anti death penalty but cases like this weaken my resolve all the time

 

Too quick... Let the other prisoners slowly torture these three b'astards to death....... Just like they did with the poor wee bairn they killed.... No mercy for these vicious scum..... They're totally and utterly irredeemable..... Just reading over these grim, horrific details of what happened to that child just fills me with shock, anger and I'm honestly verging on fukkin' tears.....

 

Society shouldn't sully its hands on these two, their peers should decide their fate (ie, their fellow prisoners.....).

As upsetting as that all is to read Zeus, do you have any legal sources evidencing it? For example, we have the stories of the Bulger case doing the rounds with mention of sexual assault and inserting batteries into his anus when no such thing happened...

 

I do however agree that in the case of the two men involved in this case a life tariff without parole is justified. It's rare that I believe rehabilitation to be unlikely to succeed, but especially in the case of the paedophile where he is still in complete denial over everything I just don't think there is a hope of these people being able to be reformed into decent members of society...and it is very, very rare that I come to that conclusion about a person.

As upsetting as that all is to read Zeus, do you have any legal sources evidencing it? For example, we have the stories of the Bulger case doing the rounds with mention of sexual assault and inserting batteries into his anus when no such thing happened...

 

I do however agree that in the case of the two men involved in this case a life tariff without parole is justified. It's rare that I believe rehabilitation to be unlikely to succeed, but especially in the case of the paedophile where he is still in complete denial over everything I just don't think there is a hope of these people being able to be reformed into decent members of society...and it is very, very rare that I come to that conclusion about a person.

 

Frankly Tyron, it's enough for me to know that this slime raped a two year old girl, so, yeah, I'd say totally irredeemable, and frankly, why should I pay my taxes for the upkeep of people who I frankly wouldn't pish on if they were on fire..... Well, unless I pished rocket fuel or hydrochloric acid of course.... I dont believe in State sanctioned murder, which is why I think their fellow inmates should have 'em..... I mean, there's absolutely no shadow of doubt as to their guilt.... They did it..... Which is why in this case, it would be perfectly alright for us just to 'look the other way', and let the natural law of the jungle take its course.....

 

Frankly Tyron, it's enough for me to know that this slime raped a two year old girl, so, yeah, I'd say totally irredeemable, and frankly, why should I pay my taxes for the upkeep of people who I frankly wouldn't pish on if they were on fire..... Well, unless I pished rocket fuel or hydrochloric acid of course.... I dont believe in State sanctioned murder, which is why I think their fellow inmates should have 'em..... I mean, there's absolutely no shadow of doubt as to their guilt.... They did it..... Which is why in this case, it would be perfectly alright for us just to 'look the other way', and let the natural law of the jungle take its course.....

So you support the same sort of mob rule which would have seen the likes of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six being beaten to death before they could prove their innocence? I'm not for one moment suggesting that these two are innocent. I'm just pointing out where your kind of "justice" will lead.

 

If what zeus has posted is anywhere near the truth then these two should indeed remain behind bars for the rest of their lives. Like Tyron I believe that should be reserved for very rare cases but this is probably one of them.

 

As for Peter's mother, that isn't quite so simple. Of course she was wrong just to stand aside while these two evil men tortured the poor lad. But it's still possible that she did that because she was frightened. It seems pretty likely that they threatened to kill her if she did anything. Having read about her background she should have been removed from her own mother when she was a child. However, even if that had happened, she would probably have ended up in a care home and they have a pretty rotten record when it comes to looking after children.

 

It's easy to blame social workers. But just look at the sort of press they get. When did you last read a positive story about social workers? Whenever a social worker gets it right (i.e. most of the time) it doesn't make the news. So how does that encourage anyone to choose that as a profession? As a result some people who could be very good social workers do something else instead.

 

Again, nothing excuses what these two men did. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at some of the general failures in society which leads to terrible events like this.

So you support the same sort of mob rule which would have seen the likes of the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six being beaten to death before they could prove their innocence? I'm not for one moment suggesting that these two are innocent. I'm just pointing out where your kind of "justice" will lead.

 

If what zeus has posted is anywhere near the truth then these two should indeed remain behind bars for the rest of their lives. Like Tyron I believe that should be reserved for very rare cases but this is probably one of them.

 

As for Peter's mother, that isn't quite so simple. Of course she was wrong just to stand aside while these two evil men tortured the poor lad. But it's still possible that she did that because she was frightened. It seems pretty likely that they threatened to kill her if she did anything. Having read about her background she should have been removed from her own mother when she was a child. However, even if that had happened, she would probably have ended up in a care home and they have a pretty rotten record when it comes to looking after children.

 

It's easy to blame social workers. But just look at the sort of press they get. When did you last read a positive story about social workers? Whenever a social worker gets it right (i.e. most of the time) it doesn't make the news. So how does that encourage anyone to choose that as a profession? As a result some people who could be very good social workers do something else instead.

 

Again, nothing excuses what these two men did. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't look at some of the general failures in society which leads to terrible events like this.

I agree...while the mother's actions were disgraceful, I'm pretty certain she is capable of being redeemed and becoming a useful member of society, regardless of how the right-wing media would portray her likely fear-induced actions which would not have been helped at all by her screwed background...

The 'Mother' has no chance of 'redemption', in my view. She watched as the Baby Boy was tortured.

She watched as his 2 Year old Sister was raped. (She has admitted these things). No matter how scared

you are, you do not watch Babies being tortured & raped, & do nothing except smoke, leave the room,

cover your ears, go on The Internet, seeking sex chats on Face Book, & so on. It is well documented

that she did those things.

 

She helped hide Baby P's Torture, by covering the wounds on his face with chocolate.

She deliberately did that to stop Social Workers seeing that he'd been punched in the

face.

 

She is as bad as the 2 'Men' who beat the Child. I'm not a 'Barbarian', but I cannot forgive

how she neglected her duties as a Mother, & how - by hiding the Baby's wounds - she made

sure that the stupid 'Authorities' would remain clueless - and that the 2 'Men' would carry on

terrorising a little Baby Boy, who could hardly talk, could not fight back, had harmed no-one,

& must have been in pain, & fear every Second of every Day, for the last few Months of

his Life.

 

I'd have rather given my life, than allow such abuse & cruelty to go on - & she just helped

to cover up the Baby's wounds.

 

It is well documented what torture that Baby went through - the Media took it from Coroners

Reports, what the 3 'People' admitted' in Statements, & what a 15 Year old Girl witnessed, whilst

she was staying at the House, as the 'Lover' of the Step Dad's Brother. She admitted that she was

too scared to tell the Police what was going on. 15 or not, she SHOULD have told the Police.

 

Too many people are scared by Savages in this Country - scared of doing the right thing.

Too many people are so Barbaric, that they no longer even know what the 'right thing' is.

Like those Yobs who set a Female Swedish Teacher's hair on fire, on a Train the other day - in THIS

Country, & the 2 Boys who held a 5 Year Old Girl down - who has Cancer - the other Day, &

tried to set her face on fire with an Aerosol Can, & matches or a lighter. Yes! These things

happen in THIS Country - every Day - and the World knows - it can read our 'Papers on The

Internet. At least Americans have Sentences to fit these Crimes - we don't!

 

Baby P was so tortured - and so let down by 'The Authorities' - that it is a wonder that all

the Stars in the Sky did not turn red - as they wept tears of blood. It was as if all the pain &

torture on Earth were visited on one 17 Month Old Baby. I can never, ever forgive

his 'Mother', or the 2 'Men' who put him through that. Why should we care if the 'Mother' is

'Redeemed'? She showed no care, or mercy to the Baby - so why should we be 'Civilised',

& care a damn, that she becomes a 'Better Person'? Just keep her locked up - and throw

away the key. She has given up her right to mix in Society. And the 2 'Men' are 100%

evil, cruel, cowardly, worthless, pieces of excrement, & I hope that their Souls suffer

for Eternity for what they did to Baby P, & his Sister.....Both 'Men' are Sub-Human Slime......

Edited August 23, 200915 yr by zeus555

Why do I think there is a chance that the mother can be redeemed? Because I have seen no evidence that there were any real problems with her abilities as a mother before these two thugs came into her life. It looks like her relationship with the father of her children was the first vaguely stable relationship she'd ever had in her life. For the first time in her life there was someone who actually cared for her.

 

And none of the people involved can be said to have received light sentences. They have all received indeterminate sentences so there remains the possibility that none of them will ever be released. And surely the fact that the 15-year-old has admitted to being too scared to say anything adds to the possibility that the mother was also scared. Of course both of them should have told the police. But none of us can put ourselves in the position those two were in.

 

As for the "stupid authorities" I refer you to my earlier points about social workers. One of the problems in this case was that there was no proper relationship between the family and a single social worker. Several different social workers visited and were duped. It is rather less likely that a single social worker would have fallen for the lies every time. But Haringey has a high turnover of social workers partly for the reasons I gave earlier. They do a bloody difficult job. Apart from the odd exceptional case they deserve our support not our contempt.

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Zeus... All three of these people are absolutely wicked and irredeemable, INCLUDING the "mother"... She is guilty of an absolutely depraved indifference to the suffering of her own children... She has no right to bear any more children... I'd sterilize this bitch.... And never allow her to see her other children again...

 

As for the comparison to the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6... Ridiculous..... They were political prisoners, not a bunch of fukkin' NONCES who raped two year olds and beat babies to death.... What the hell are you on Suede....? The two just cannot be compared, even IF the Guildford 4 or Birmingham 6 were guilty..... There is actually a political point to Terrorist action, no matter how you may feel about it, there is NO point to the senseless butchering or rape of an innocent child.. That is absolutely without any kind of justification or reason... It is entirely evil and wicked beyond belief.... Hell, I can even understand one adult killing another, there can be reasons for it.. What possible, earthtly reason is there for an adult to kill a child....? For fukk's sake..... :huh:

 

Nah, fukk em, I'm prepared in this instance to allow "mob rule" to have sway.... If some gang of prisoners want to tie these c**ts down and torture them to death, I say, we let them....

The 'Mother' has no chance of 'redemption', in my view. She watched as the Baby Boy was tortured.

She watched as his 2 Year old Sister was raped. (She has admitted these things). No matter how scared

you are, you do not watch Babies being tortured & raped, & do nothing except smoke, leave the room,

cover your ears, go on The Internet, seeking sex chats on Face Book, & so on. It is well documented

that she did those things.

 

She helped hide Baby P's Torture, by covering the wounds on his face with chocolate.

She deliberately did that to stop Social Workers seeing that he'd been punched in the

face.

 

She is as bad as the 2 'Men' who beat the Child. I'm not a 'Barbarian', but I cannot forgive

how she neglected her duties as a Mother, & how - by hiding the Baby's wounds - she made

sure that the stupid 'Authorities' would remain clueless - and that the 2 'Men' would carry on

terrorising a little Baby Boy, who could hardly talk, could not fight back, had harmed no-one,

& must have been in pain, & fear every Second of every Day, for the last few Months of

his Life.

 

I'd have rather given my life, than allow such abuse & cruelty to go on - & she just helped

to cover up the Baby's wounds.

 

It is well documented what torture that Baby went through - the Media took it from Coroners

Reports, what the 3 'People' admitted' in Statements, & what a 15 Year old Girl witnessed, whilst

she was staying at the House, as the 'Lover' of the Step Dad's Brother. She admitted that she was

too scared to tell the Police what was going on. 15 or not, she SHOULD have told the Police.

 

Too many people are scared by Savages in this Country - scared of doing the right thing.

Too many people are so Barbaric, that they no longer even know what the 'right thing' is.

Like those Yobs who set a Female Swedish Teacher's hair on fire, on a Train the other day - in THIS

Country, & the 2 Boys who held a 5 Year Old Girl down - who has Cancer - the other Day, &

tried to set her face on fire with an Aerosol Can, & matches or a lighter. Yes! These things

happen in THIS Country - every Day - and the World knows - it can read our 'Papers on The

Internet. At least Americans have Sentences to fit these Crimes - we don't!

 

Baby P was so tortured - and so let down by 'The Authorities' - that it is a wonder that all

the Stars in the Sky did not turn red - as they wept tears of blood. It was as if all the pain &

torture on Earth were visited on one 17 Month Old Baby. I can never, ever forgive

his 'Mother', or the 2 'Men' who put him through that. Why should we care if the 'Mother' is

'Redeemed'? She showed no care, or mercy to the Baby - so why should we be 'Civilised',

& care a damn, that she becomes a 'Better Person'? Just keep her locked up - and throw

away the key. She has given up her right to mix in Society. And the 2 'Men' are 100%

evil, cruel, cowardly, worthless, pieces of excrement, & I hope that their Souls suffer

for Eternity for what they did to Baby P, & his Sister.....Both 'Men' are Sub-Human Slime......

 

 

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Zeus... All three of these people are absolutely wicked and irredeemable, INCLUDING the "mother"... She is guilty of an absolutely depraved indifference to the suffering of her own children... She has no right to bear any more children... I'd sterilize this bitch.... And never allow her to see her other children again...

 

As for the comparison to the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6... Ridiculous..... They were political prisoners, not a bunch of fukkin' NONCES who raped two year olds and beat babies to death.... What the hell are you on Suede....? The two just cannot be compared, even IF the Guildford 4 or Birmingham 6 were guilty..... There is actually a political point to Terrorist action, no matter how you may feel about it, there is NO point to the senseless butchering or rape of an innocent child.. That is absolutely without any kind of justification or reason... It is entirely evil and wicked beyond belief.... Hell, I can even understand one adult killing another, there can be reasons for it.. What possible, earthtly reason is there for an adult to kill a child....? For fukk's sake..... :huh:

 

Nah, fukk em, I'm prepared in this instance to allow "mob rule" to have sway.... If some gang of prisoners want to tie these c**ts down and torture them to death, I say, we let them....

 

i agree with both of these posts, no mother should have stood by and watched this happen, there are ways of escaping, she is an adult and must take the consequences of her (in) actions.

 

another programme that 'got' me all emotional yesterday was 'teenagers with cancer'... on more 4 or summut, relating the heartbreaking stories of youngsters who through no fault of their own have been stricken down with this evil, pernicious disease. all one girl wanted was "to live a day without pain", she never got her wish :( .... now im thinking, why tf should we as taxpayers pay for those utter scumbags to have protection and new identities for the rest of their lives when innocent kids need more money for better care?...... FCUK THESE BSTRDS, i want MY money to go towards something worthwhile..... theres gotta be summut we can do to stop them ever getting out (alive).

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Zeus... All three of these people are absolutely wicked and irredeemable, INCLUDING the "mother"... She is guilty of an absolutely depraved indifference to the suffering of her own children... She has no right to bear any more children... I'd sterilize this bitch.... And never allow her to see her other children again...

 

As for the comparison to the Guildford 4 and Birmingham 6... Ridiculous..... They were political prisoners, not a bunch of fukkin' NONCES who raped two year olds and beat babies to death.... What the hell are you on Suede....? The two just cannot be compared, even IF the Guildford 4 or Birmingham 6 were guilty..... There is actually a political point to Terrorist action, no matter how you may feel about it, there is NO point to the senseless butchering or rape of an innocent child.. That is absolutely without any kind of justification or reason... It is entirely evil and wicked beyond belief.... Hell, I can even understand one adult killing another, there can be reasons for it.. What possible, earthtly reason is there for an adult to kill a child....? For fukk's sake..... :huh:

 

Nah, fukk em, I'm prepared in this instance to allow "mob rule" to have sway.... If some gang of prisoners want to tie these c**ts down and torture them to death, I say, we let them....

All too predictably you've missed the point of my argument. The only similarity between the Birmingham and Guildford pub bombings and the Baby Peter case is the public revulsion which has followed. In the 1970s that public revulsion put pressure on the police to secure convictions and was one of the reasons why ten innocent men were stitched up. That same sense of revulsion would have put their lives at risk if they hadn't received protection. The fact that the real bombers acted for political reasons is irrelevant. After all, there were plenty of people making the same sort of comments about them as you are making here.

 

The law says that anyone who tortures these two in prison are likely to have their sentences increased. The law is absolutely right to say so. Or are you saying that we should become a pariah state by withdrawing from the UN Declaration of Human Rights and other similar treaties? If you want Britain to be on a par with Burma or Zimbabwe then you're free to say so. I'd rather be on a par with more civilised nations.

The case just makes me want to leave this fooked up country and emigrate. :o

Oh don't be so bloody stupid, there is no other country in the world stupid enough to give you anything in benefits.

 

:mellow:

 

THE POINT OF REHABILITATION IS TO TURN THEM INTO USEFUL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY, NOT USEFUL MEMBERS OF JAIL CELLS. WHAT PART OF THAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND YOU THICK FUCK?

:rofl: Post of the year.

All too predictably you've missed the point of my argument. The only similarity between the Birmingham and Guildford pub bombings and the Baby Peter case is the public revulsion which has followed. In the 1970s that public revulsion put pressure on the police to secure convictions and was one of the reasons why ten innocent men were stitched up. That same sense of revulsion would have put their lives at risk if they hadn't received protection. The fact that the real bombers acted for political reasons is irrelevant. After all, there were plenty of people making the same sort of comments about them as you are making here.

 

The law says that anyone who tortures these two in prison are likely to have their sentences increased. The law is absolutely right to say so. Or are you saying that we should become a pariah state by withdrawing from the UN Declaration of Human Rights and other similar treaties? If you want Britain to be on a par with Burma or Zimbabwe then you're free to say so. I'd rather be on a par with more civilised nations.

 

do you think then that the killers here got a fair sentance? do you think its fair to spend thousands upon thousands of pounds on them to protect them once they are out? cos i dont.

 

im against the lynch mob mentality, always have been, but in this case id find it very hard indeed to uphold that view. they ARE guilty...

do you think then that the killers here got a fair sentance? do you think its fair to spend thousands upon thousands of pounds on them to protect them once they are out? cos i dont.

 

im against the lynch mob mentality, always have been, but in this case id find it very hard indeed to uphold that view. they ARE guilty...

As I said before, I think the two men involved may well never be suitable for release. That is an option available under their current sentence. If the mother testifies against them then at least one of them could probably be successfully charged with murder so I hope she does that. Should she ever be released? Again, as I have already said, I think there there is more chance of rehabilitation in her case. If that means she has to be given a new identity then so be it. I'd rather live in a country where that wasn't deemed necessary but it seems that I don't. Ever since Myra Hindley died the tabloids have been looking for a new female hate-figure. Tracey Connelly is their latest candidate.

As I said before, I think the two men involved may well never be suitable for release. That is an option available under their current sentence. If the mother testifies against them then at least one of them could probably be successfully charged with murder so I hope she does that. Should she ever be released? Again, as I have already said, I think there there is more chance of rehabilitation in her case. If that means she has to be given a new identity then so be it. I'd rather live in a country where that wasn't deemed necessary but it seems that I don't. Ever since Myra Hindley died the tabloids have been looking for a new female hate-figure. Tracey Connelly is their latest candidate.

I thought Maxine Carr was their hate figure? Obviously a large difference in the culpability of the two but either way...

I thought Maxine Carr was their hate figure? Obviously a large difference in the culpability of the two but either way...

 

A VERY large difference... Maxine Carr wasn't even there when Ian Huntley did what he did to those girls... She was just deluded idiot, Tracey Connolly on the other hand has far more responsibility... I'd put her more in the Rose West or Myra Hindley category tbh.... ie, just as bad and rotten as the person she was with.... Maxine Carr, on the other hand, can be redeemed.... There is no redemption or forgiveness for Tracey Connolly in my book....

 

All too predictably you've missed the point of my argument. The only similarity between the Birmingham and Guildford pub bombings and the Baby Peter case is the public revulsion which has followed. In the 1970s that public revulsion put pressure on the police to secure convictions and was one of the reasons why ten innocent men were stitched up. That same sense of revulsion would have put their lives at risk if they hadn't received protection. The fact that the real bombers acted for political reasons is irrelevant. After all, there were plenty of people making the same sort of comments about them as you are making here.

 

The law says that anyone who tortures these two in prison are likely to have their sentences increased. The law is absolutely right to say so. Or are you saying that we should become a pariah state by withdrawing from the UN Declaration of Human Rights and other similar treaties? If you want Britain to be on a par with Burma or Zimbabwe then you're free to say so. I'd rather be on a par with more civilised nations.

 

Nope, I didn't miss the point at all, I just dont agree in anyway that the two cases are similar at all... I repeat - The Guildford Four/Birmingham 6 weren't nonces... They weren't kiddie rapists or child abusers.... Child abuser/child killers are the lowest scum of humanity, end of story... They dont deserve to live.... This is the ONE circumstance where the level of public revulsion fits the crime being committed.... Terrorism has a reason, the murder/torture/rape of a child is utterly senseless... You know Suede, maybe YOU'RE missing the point and need to take off the Liberal/PC blinkers every once in a while when something really IS so heinous and as unforgiveable as this..... Because, frankly, you're totally out of step on this issue, IMO....

 

You know, perhaps if you'd actually known someone who'd been sexually abused as a child, and then killed themselves because they couldn't live with the guilt, emotional pain and shame it made them feel, and the absolute clinical depression they suffered, then you'd have a different take on this whole sh!te.... <_<