Just wondering something. Have any of you who are so against the BNP actually ever looked at their website to see what their policies are? They actually have some quite decent policies on there. I'm sure I read that it's the most visited site of all the political parties.

The Nazi party had some good policies too, like building Autobahns across Germany and building Volkswagen beetles that people could afford, oh and what were some of their other ones, oh I remember racism, totalitarianism, antisemitism, anti-communism, and world domination. Sounds like the BNP to me. Crazy Chris you are some guy.

How about this Chris? Instead of responding inanely to an inconsequential remark from Brian, why don't you actually attempt to muster some response to the points I made on the previous page?

How about this Chris? Instead of responding inanely to an inconsequential remark from Brian, why don't you actually attempt to muster some response to the points I made on the previous page?

 

 

I intend to in due course.

 

Oh and Rob I'm replying to a direct question put to me above look so no need for you to delete this post!

You'd think someone with nothing else to do would have managed a response after three days :(

Exactly. Patience is a virtue, but LAZINESS is not Chris, and neither is an inability/unwillingness to actually back up your opinions.

Exactly. Patience is a virtue, but LAZINESS is not Chris, and neither is an inability/unwillingness to actually back up your opinions.

 

The editor of The Sun has not given his opinion on the subject I guess so Chris has no one to copy ;)

i think he may have heeded my threats both here and via pm.... GOOD.

You'd think someone with nothing else to do would have managed a response after three days :(

 

he cant, because ive warned him about posting one line wind up posts and thats all he can muster so a reasoned account to support his 'opinion' will not be forthcoming.

Gordon Brown is sending a cabinet minister to face Nick Griffin apparently. I read it in the Sun yesterday.

 

Thank god GB isn't going, Nick Griffin maybe a dickwank, but like Alex Salmond he's smooth, slimy and great on stage. He'd bury Brown, both of them would tbh.

The Nazi party had some good policies too, like building Autobahns across Germany and building Volkswagen beetles that people could afford, .

 

You missed out that they got the trains running on time as well..... :lol:

 

I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed on question time. If you have a political platform for one party it needs to be avaliable to them all, no matter how twisted others thing their views are, because as far as i am aware we still live in a democracy.

 

People at my uni wanted to ban the BNP from having a platform for disucssion at the uni during local elections recently, and although i don't agree with what the BNP stand for, i don't agree with them not being given a platform for discussion, as if you want to be in a democracy you have to be willing to listen to people who have diffrent views to you. Even if it is just to argue your own point against them.

 

If you want us to be in a democracy, then everyone has a voice no matter if you don't agree with the voice is saying. Otherwise it starts to be, you can say what you want but aslong as you limit what your saying, which isnt a true democracy.

I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be allowed on question time. If you have a political platform for one party it needs to be avaliable to them all, no matter how twisted others thing their views are, because as far as i am aware we still live in a democracy.

 

People at my uni wanted to ban the BNP from having a platform for disucssion at the uni during local elections recently, and although i don't agree with what the BNP stand for, i don't agree with them not being given a platform for discussion, as if you want to be in a democracy you have to be willing to listen to people who have diffrent views to you. Even if it is just to argue your own point against them.

 

If you want us to be in a democracy, then everyone has a voice no matter if you don't agree with the voice is saying. Otherwise it starts to be, you can say what you want but aslong as you limit what your saying, which isnt a true democracy.

 

Well, you've just hit an important point there, for the past 7 or 8 years now, it's become apparent to me that we dont live in a Democracy... Why the hell should the BNP have a platform to spew forth their bile when innocent, peaceful war protestors have been arrested in Parliament Square and the Cenotaph for attempting to exercise what SHOULD be their "democratic rights"....? The Govt as (ab)used anti-terrorist legislation to silence their critics, and yet the establishment lacks the moral courage to deal with an organisation which would bring back the concentration camps and basically round up anyone non-white or non-Christian; there is really precious little difference between the BNP and the KKK or Aryan Brotherhood in the US.... You cannot possibly be serious about giving such amoral people an actual legitimate platform....

 

 

This isn't the start of me posting again in here but as I started the thread just thought I'd update it as the BNP ARE appearing soon.

 

Justice Secretary Jack Straw has agreed to take part in a debate alongside the British National Party on the BBC's Question Time programme.

 

Mr Straw told the BBC he would join a panel which will include BNP leader Nick Griffin, the Tories and Lib Dems, in London on 22 October.

 

He said the BNP were defeated when Labour "fought them hard".

 

Labour has previously refused to debate with the BNP, and some activists have branded the policy change "a disgrace".

 

The Conservatives and Liberal Democrats had already said they would take part in the programme.

 

Speaking on the Politics Show in the North West, Mr Straw said: "Wherever we have had BNP problems in my area and when we have fought them hard, we've pulled back and won the seats back.

 

"And that's what we have to do. We've got to make the argument for people and I am delighted to do so."

 

The BBC had already confirmed that it may invite Mr Griffin, who was elected as an MEP in June, to appear on a future edition of the Question Time, saying it was bound by the rules to treat all political parties with "due impartiality".

 

No BNP representatives have yet appeared on the BBC's flagship panel show.

 

But the corporation reviewed its position following the party's success in last June's European elections, in which Mr Griffin was one of two BNP candidates to be elected as an MEP.

 

A Labour spokesman said the party had reviewed its policy of refusing to share a platform with the BNP: "Following the BBC's decision to allow Nick Griffin to appear on Question Time, the Labour Party has agreed we should take on the disgusting politics of the BNP by participating in the programme."

 

He added that future programmes would be treated "on a case-by-case basis".

 

Minister Margaret Hodge, whose Barking and Dagenham constituency saw 11 council seats won by the BNP in 2006, told a Labour conference fringe meeting: "I'm really pleased to hear that Jack has decided to go up against the BNP.

 

"My constituents in Barking would not understand if we refused to engage in [a debate] with the BNP ....We need to have the confidence to be in that place."

 

She also said people turned to the BNP when they felt Labour was not listening to them and urged activists to "get off their backsides" and reclaim those votes.

 

But Tony Kearns, assistant general secretary of the Communication Workers' Union, said it was a "disgrace" the BBC was going ahead with offering the BNP a Question Time seat.

 

He urged government ministers and MPs to join protests against the decision.

 

Jon Cruddas, Labour MP for Dagenham, who has led campaigns against the BNP, said it was difficult for Labour to know how to respond to sharing a platform with the anti-immigration party.

 

He told a fringe meeting at the Labour conference: "It's a high wire act. I don't know what the precise solution to this is.

 

"Over the years we've had a no-platform thing with the BNP but that offers diminishing returns now because they're in forms of electoral representation that they never were when we devised that policy."

 

He added: "You have to respect the office that they hold and that's the dilemma we now have."

 

He said: "We need to raise our game in confronting them because we've allowed them to eat into slices of the electorate in the last few years."

 

There is no real difference between Griffin and Abu Hamza apart from skin colour, both spread race hate and violence yet Griffin gets a free pass and Hamza gets prison and deportation, kind of unfair really and stinks of racism in a way that Labour outlaw Hamza but allow Griffin to deny the holocaust and preach racial hatred, if Griffin is going to be allowed on Question Time so should Abu Hamza

There is no real difference between Griffin and Abu Hamza apart from skin colour, both spread race hate and violence yet Griffin gets a free pass and Hamza gets prison and deportation, kind of unfair really and stinks of racism in a way that Labour outlaw Hamza but allow Griffin to deny the holocaust and preach racial hatred, if Griffin is going to be allowed on Question Time so should Abu Hamza

 

Spot on... After all, we, apparently, live in a "democracy", don't we.....? :rolleyes:

 

Freedom and democracy with THEIR (ie, the powers-that-be) exceptions..... I certainly dont remember ever being balloted on whether I thought Hamza or Al-Moujharoun should be outlawed or incarcerated, and I certainly wasn't balloted as to whether I though a young Muslim girl should be charged with an offence merely for posting poetry and song lyrics in a blog, I guess I should be arrested for wearing a Cradle of Filth T-shirt that says "Jesus is a C/unt" on the back.... :rolleyes: DEMOCRACY??? Don't make me laugh... Those decisions were made behind closed doors, by a political elite who claim to be acting in our best interests.... If Hamza supposedly represents this massive threat to our democracy and liberty, what the hell do they think that Griffin's lot are gonna do if, god forbid, they get into a position of power.....?

He said the BNP were defeated when Labour "fought them hard".

 

This would be back in the day when Labour actually had some credibility though.... :rolleyes: Who the hell is gonna listen to Broon & Co these days...? The world-wide economic recession, the absolute chaos in our own system and rampant unemployment continuing unabated, as well as the wars in Afghanistan/Iraq has completely shattered Nu Labor's credibility... The only ones who can effectively fight off the BNP with any credibility are really the Lib Dems tbh....

There is no real difference between Griffin and Abu Hamza apart from skin colour, both spread race hate and violence yet Griffin gets a free pass and Hamza gets prison and deportation, kind of unfair really and stinks of racism in a way that Labour outlaw Hamza but allow Griffin to deny the holocaust and preach racial hatred, if Griffin is going to be allowed on Question Time so should Abu Hamza

 

i dont agree with your comparison.... griffin has not preached 'kill people who dont agree with us' in the way abu hamza has...

i dont agree with your comparison.... griffin has not preached 'kill people who dont agree with us' in the way abu hamza has...

 

He is too smart and versed in playing the media game to publicly do so same as Hitler never talked about wiping out the jews in his manifesto when he got elected but Griffin gets any taste of power then there would be blood on the streets as his henchmen kill/terrorise/deport anyone with a non white face, at least Hamza has the balls to publicly say it whereas Griffin just thinks it and says it at dinner parties but he is every bit as evil as Hamza maybe even more

Griffin and Abu Hamza are obviously both vile. But there's obviously a clear distinction between them: Griffin has never called for ethnic minorities to be killed, while Hamza has called for deaths. The day that Griffin publicly calls for a mass killing of minorities, he will presumably be arrested. Until then, although he and his party will remain disgustingly racist, he is not breaking the law and SHOULD be allowed to function as a normal political party.

Griffin and Abu Hamza are obviously both vile. But there's obviously a clear distinction between them: Griffin has never called for ethnic minorities to be killed, while Hamza has called for deaths.

 

Oh please Danny, DO try to read between the lines..... :rolleyes: It's pretty bloody obvious to me that the words and deeds of Nick Griffin and his minions have been directly responsible for hate crimes, racist attacks and at least TWO acts of terrorism that took place in London during the 90s..... Sinn Fein didn't exactly go out and EXPLICITLY declare "Kill All the Brits" either, and they were effectively banned from the airwaves for years mate....