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post Jan 5 2016, 07:17 PM
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Has anyone else watched this?

Seen it advertised on Netflix, but I have yet to watch (it's next on my list!) - seems to be getting some great reviews. No spoilers please! But really interested if anyone else has watched it yet.
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post Jan 7 2016, 02:00 PM
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I've heard great things about this, it's next on my list following Jess Jones!
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post Jan 7 2016, 02:10 PM
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Based on my Facebook timeline, this show's been getting hype (in Ireland at least) like nothing I've ever seen before. ohmy.gif

I saw the first two episodes when I was back home and loved it. Utterly incredible story that leaves you with so many questions and wanting to see how everything turned out. Really have to get around to watching the rest!
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post Jan 7 2016, 02:19 PM
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I really like it, but I think it could easily have been condensed into 5 episodes instead of 10, it goes round in circles with a lot of repetition. It's still excellent, interesting and quite frightening.
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It is, of course, very biased towards Steven Avery, but even if so, it's obvious that even if he did do it, the events that his nephew Brendan told is not anywhere near close of what happened (and he changed his story a lot!). At least the car keys seems to have been planted by someone in his bedroom as it seems completely unbelievable that it would take four months and several house searches for the police to find them! The impossibility of them being able to clean up the crime scene that would've happened in that bedroom to the point where even a forensic expert couldn't manage it is also ridiculous, as both Steven and Brendan have been tested to have an IQ of ~70 which is just above being considered being "intellectually disabeled".

The police interviews with Brendan are shocking - the kid is clearly guessing at what the police wants him to say and has no real idea what kind of trouble he's in and just wants to get home. After they arrest him he thinks it'll be for a day or two! How on earth they could give any credit to anything he said is beyond me.


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Reason for edit: this is a Netflix show so spoilers are required, especially since it's been less than a month since the release. thanks
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post Jan 7 2016, 09:00 PM
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heard a lot of people talking about this earlier- will definitely give it a try!
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post Jan 7 2016, 09:24 PM
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Definitely need to watch this, exactly the kind of thing I love.
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post Jan 10 2016, 09:35 PM
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Been watching this the last couple of days. Up to episode 4 now and I'm getting really wound up. But stuff like this really fascinates me and tbh, this sort of documentary couldn't have come at a better time.
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post Jan 12 2016, 04:44 PM
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I'm getting so mad lmao!

Ken Kratz is a repulsive man and Mike Halbach (?) is somehow horrendous too! :/
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post Jan 12 2016, 04:55 PM
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Watched the first episode and really enjoyed it! wub.gif I do wonder how they're gonna stretch it to 10 episodes?
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I'm just starting episode three, this is a really interesting story and I'm interested in seeing how it all pans out, I saw lots about it online and a couple of my friends have been going on about how good it is so I thought I'd see what all the hype is about happy.gif I do agree with Klumzee about how they can get ten episodes out of it as the first few have seemed to drag a bit but I hope it picks up soon.
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post Jan 27 2016, 11:52 PM
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Great series, would seriously recommend this to anyone - takes a couple of episodes before it gets really interesting.

Fascinating documentary and for me, it really shows a major flaw in the American legal system. Props to the defence lawyers for Steven - now they are proper lawyers.

For what it's worth I think it's 10% likely that Steven killed her. What I do know is there is no way Steven or Brendan should ever have been found guilty on that evidence, it was pathetic. As has been theorised recently in detail, the key was a spare key. I think the brother had something to do with that. There is absolutely no way that that was not planted there. Same for the blood - the prosecution presented a fair argument, but not all the blood was tested and it was pushed through under suspicious circumstances.

What is most frustrating overall is how Steve can be convicted of killing Teresa in one place, but Brendan in another. Just honestly baffling.

There was no evidence whatsoever for Brendan killing Teresa, yet he was still convinced. Absolutely treacherous.

I think rightly, both will get off within the next few years.

But it still presents the question of who actually did kill Teresa.
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post Jan 29 2016, 12:51 AM
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Some of the theories online about who killed Teresa are insane! There's one pointing in the direction of a notorious serial killer and another theory pointing itself in the way of Bobby Dassey (Brendan's brother) and the guy he supposedly went hunting with (was it her ex or Bobby's mums ex or something?)! I think it's more likely to be the latter two, but all the theories are interesting. It's when I LOVE the internet the most.

Her brother is such a sleazebag though. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him! He at least knows something.
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oh god that was an incredible series, I've literally just finished the last episode, I actually cried laugh.gif

It's so awful that something like that can happen, it makes you really think about things regarding the legal system, not just in America but everywhere... I wavered in my opinion over whether I thought Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey were involved, actually I was pretty sure of Brendan's innocence from the get-go but those last couple of episodes, I just can't even put the idea that Steven did it in my mind, it seems so obvious that it's a set up. I think it was probably someone in his family, like mentioned above - Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych seem like the most likely to me, I mean they were both going hunting and are each others alibis etc. I also find it weird how Teresa's brother was the one always representing their family, especially when it's clear she was closer to her sisters. I hope something gets done soon, all this attention the series has given the case has to be good for something, right? I'm sure they will test all the blood in the car, since it seemed likethey only did three swabs worth before and with a test that isn't all that reliable.

The series was super biased towards the Avery's but it had to be tbf, I think I liked it so much because it was so interesting and it made you think about things on a more personal level, like how much you take for granted, all Steven wants is his freedom and his family and really when you think about it, there isn't much more any of us need in life. I can't imagine spending half my life in prison the way he already has done and if Brendan isn't released, he'll have spent pretty much his whole life there. I really hope we're all correct and this is an incredible injustice unsure.gif

I feel conflicted on where to put spoiler tags laugh.gif


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post Jan 29 2016, 05:36 PM
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QUOTE(Jonjo @ Jan 29 2016, 12:51 AM) *
Some of the theories online about who killed Teresa are insane! There's one pointing in the direction of a notorious serial killer and another theory pointing itself in the way of Bobby Dassey (Brendan's brother) and the guy he supposedly went hunting with (was it her ex or Bobby's mums ex or something?)! I think it's more likely to be the latter two, but all the theories are interesting. It's when I LOVE the internet the most.

Her brother is such a sleazebag though. I don't trust him as far as I could throw him! He at least knows something.


Agreed the brother came across horribly. In a way I can't blame him though, I think from the get go the police told him it was Steven, and he helped push that agenda. You can tlel in some of his early interviews he is really uncomfortable, my theory is that he did provide the key with the police allegedly planted (well of course it was planted. laugh.gif). And iehter him or her ex-boyfriend deleted phone messages for whatever reason. That's weird.

QUOTE(ℒ𝓲𝓷⻤ @ Jan 29 2016, 02:16 AM) *
oh god that was an incredible series, I've literally just finished the last episode, I actually cried laugh.gif

It's so awful that something like that can happen, it makes you really think about things regarding the legal system, not just in America but everywhere... I wavered in my opinion over whether I thought Steven Avery and Brendan Dassey were involved, actually I was pretty sure of Brendan's innocence from the get-go but those last couple of episodes, I just can't even put the idea that Steven did it in my mind, it seems so obvious that it's a set up. I think it was probably someone in his family, like mentioned above - Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych seem like the most likely to me, I mean they were both going hunting and are each others alibis etc. I also find it weird how Teresa's brother was the one always representing their family, especially when it's clear she was closer to her sisters. I hope something gets done soon, all this attention the series has given the case has to be good for something, right? I'm sure they will test all the blood in the car, since it seemed likethey only did three swabs worth before and with a test that isn't all that reliable.

The series was super biased towards the Avery's but it had to be tbf, I think I liked it so much because it was so interesting and it made you think about things on a more personal level, like how much you take for granted, all Steven wants is his freedom and his family and really when you think about it, there isn't much more any of us need in life. I can't imagine spending half my life in prison the way he already has done and if Brendan isn't released, he'll have spent pretty much his whole life there. I really hope we're all correct and this is an incredible injustice unsure.gif

I feel conflicted on where to put spoiler tags laugh.gif


It will be some time yet, but the case has been picked up by a lawyer that specialises in getting wrongly convinced people out of jail. I suspect he will be released eventually, but it will take a couple of years. Like I said, I think there's a chance that Steven killed her, but on that evidence - absolutely not. I do suspect it was probably one of the (many) Avery's that killed her, as they obviously knew that pointing the finger at Steven would be good.
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post Jan 29 2016, 06:09 PM
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DONE. I do agree with the comments that it could've easily been condensed, plus episode 10 was a bit of a non-event but otherwise it's been an interesting watch! My guess is the duo of Bobby and Scott(?) but I'm not too sure what the motive what have been? Brother Teresa was shifty af also, maybe he knows more then he's let on but I couldn't imagine him committing the crime. I feel like I've learnt much more about the American judicial system than I thought I would laugh.gif
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post Jan 29 2016, 06:46 PM
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QUOTE(Klumzee @ Jan 29 2016, 06:09 PM) *
DONE. I do agree with the comments that it could've easily been condensed, plus episode 10 was a bit of a non-event but otherwise it's been an interesting watch! My guess is the duo of Bobby and Scott(?) but I'm not too sure what the motive what have been? Brother Teresa was shifty af also, maybe he knows more then he's let on but I couldn't imagine him committing the crime. I feel like I've learnt much more about the American judicial system than I thought I would laugh.gif


It's hard to pin down a motive, but what's Steven's motive? There is none also. But there is a motive from the police to frame him.
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I was reading a lot of different theories last night and one that came up for the Bobby/Scott theory is that they simply didn't like Steven, didn't like having him around, preferred their lives when he was behind bars, sometimes a dislike or jealousy for someone is all it takes I guess. To me it makes sense that someone within the family or someone who was close to them and knew their property well did it. Like where the truck was found, the Avery's would know exactly where to hide it in plain sight, they would also have known that there was plans for a bonfire that night as well probably and who would be on the property around the time or Teresa's death. Scott also apparently has a history of being violent and has had past run-ins with the law.

I think the key found was a spare, most people tend to carry a bunch of keys with them rather than just the one, I'm sure I saw something about the picture used often in the series of Teresa showed her holding a bunch of keys. Her DNA also wasn't on them and they were found in Steven's room, his DNA will be everywhere so it would be easy enough for it to be transferred onto the key. I don't think she was killed on the Avery property at all, probably in the woods where Bobby and Scott were going hunting. Maybe Bobby killed her after she left the Avery's, when he was on his way hunting or whatever, put her in the back of her own car, planned to get rid of it, passed Scott on the way, he found out, wants to protect his step-son and helps him cover it up. It makes you think why he'd let Brendan go through all of that though if that was what happened.
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post Jan 31 2016, 08:56 PM
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I have finally started this and watched the first episode biggrin.gif Interesting so far...
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