December 17, 200916 yr It is corrupt, if you only have a basic interest in music you are already being fed with the song 24x a day at least. Next to that, 100k of the single has been bought by Simon Cowell himself as no one can stand the dross. Lol, the sarcasm in your posts always amuses me :rofl:
December 17, 200916 yr Lol, the sarcasm in your posts always amuses me :rofl: ...and the support of communism in yours makes me tear, my dawl :teresa:
December 17, 200916 yr Am I right in saying Rage are pretty much guaranteed to break the record for downloads in one week? I think the record is with Alexandra last year with 280k atm? Either way, really am pulling for Rage to pull it off!
December 17, 200916 yr And an X Factor performance in front of 13 million.... X Factor is only what TOTP was in its day. That too only gave a small number of acts a platform every week, but the influence on the charts is much greater here because people don't have to trek to a shop to own the song. It may give artists like Journey who wouldn't be in the charts anyway a boost as a result of a contestant performing their song, but the bigger problem for me are songs that are overplayed on radio and stay in the charts for weeks because stations stick to the same playlist. Stations offer very little in the way of diversity in the fear that people will turn off if they're not hearing a familiar artist or song every five minutes. No. RATM will have a DESERVED number of sales if it stops Cowell using the Xmas No1 as his personal play thing. ^_^ WHIT??? DESERVED??? People downloading the same song three times from each online retailer, repeating that process across several sites, blatantly carrying it out because they have been told that they can get away with it, and that is "deserved"? Sorry, but it is chart-rigging whatever way that you look at it. I wouldn't have so much of a problem if the 800,000 people who actually joined the Facebook group downloaded the song just the once to prove a point. The physical market has as much validity as downloads, if not more because the price to purchase is more. Why scrap a the traditional, and perfectly valid way of purchasing music? I, for one, cannot see a reason? (perhaps because you didn't give one...) I agree. At least with a physical single it is off the shelves within a couple of weeks, but a download enables people to buy the same song week after week and it still counts towards the chart. The Xmas re-entries are a blessing to what would otherwise be a very boring chart, but they have been bought by the same people a year earlier. Downloads are more susceptible to chart-rigging because no-one has any way of knowing who is buying what, and how many - you would be found out pretty easily if you tried to buy dozens of the same single from shops across town. There needs to be more sharing of sales figures and where they come from across download sites, so that people aren't allowed to manipulate the charts to this extent. Edited December 17, 200916 yr by Alcohol_Prone
December 17, 200916 yr after seeing todays midweeks it seems the big question is how will joes cd sales hold up, today will probably be less than yesterday so if he drops to 60k and rage keep their downloads lead i would say sales will be even tomorrow, thus rage taking a 35k+ lead into the last 2 days. does anyone have alex's cd sales from last year to compare, did she go down on thursday compared to wednesday?
December 17, 200916 yr I think I found the exact sales for today's Top 2. Not sure though if it's a reliable source... Edited December 17, 200916 yr by Hapinuyir FM11
December 17, 200916 yr X Factor is only what TOTP was in its day. That too only gave a small number of acts a platform every week, but the influence on the charts is much greater here because people don't have to trek to a shop to own the song. It may give artists like Journey who wouldn't be in the charts anyway a boost as a result of a contestant performing their song, but the bigger problem for me are songs that are overplayed on radio and stay in the charts for weeks because stations stick to the same playlist. Stations offer very little in the way of diversity in the fear that people will turn off if they're not hearing a familiar artist or song every five minutes. WHIT??? DESERVED??? People downloading the same song three times from each online retailer, repeating that process across several sites, blatantly carrying it out because they have been told that they can get away with it, and that is "deserved"? Sorry, but it is chart-rigging whatever way that you look at it. I wouldn't have so much of a problem if the 800,000 people who actually joined the Facebook group downloaded the song just the once to prove a point. I agree. At least with a physical single it is off the shelves within a couple of weeks, but a download enables people to buy the same song week after week and it still counts towards the chart. The Xmas re-entries are a blessing to what would otherwise be a very boring chart, but they have been bought by the same people a year earlier. Downloads are more susceptible to chart-rigging because no-one has any way of knowing who is buying what, and how many - you would be found out pretty easily if you tried to buy dozens of the same single from shops across town. There needs to be more sharing of sales figures and where they come from across download sites, so that people aren't allowed to manipulate the charts to this extent. you think people didn't buy multiple copies of physical singles, i know i did in the past (only for the spice girls and alanis morissette), also back in the day there were cd 1 and cd 2 so most fans purchased 2 copies. fans have always tried to manipulate the charts and if someone wants to buy 5 copies of something, then thats upto them and it is still 5 copies sold. as for songs sticking around in the charts longer it is a good thing, thinking back to the days when cd sales were in decline and downloads weren't counted yet, songs would peak in the top 10 and be out of the charts in 3 or 4 weeks. giving a consumer the choice to buy whatever he wants whenever he likes, not just whats stocked in shops when they stock them is surely fairer and gives a more true representation of what music people are listening to/buying.
December 17, 200916 yr It's incredible that RATM have sold a quarter of a million downloads in four days.
December 17, 200916 yr Author Why Thrusdays mids is not on the first page?? We do have a Part 3 :o http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=104531
December 17, 200916 yr you think people didn't buy multiple copies of physical singles, i know i did in the past (only for the spice girls and alanis morissette), also back in the day there were cd 1 and cd 2 so most fans purchased 2 copies. fans have always tried to manipulate the charts and if someone wants to buy 5 copies of something, then thats upto them and it is still 5 copies sold. I never said people didn't buy multiple copies of physical singles, but I don't think it would be to the same extent of buying if the RATM song was only available on physical. It is easy for someone to just sit there at a computer and download the same track dozens of times than actually go out and buy it in a shop. There should be measures in place to stop people who buy more than one copy of something having all the sales contribute to the chart, and download sites should share sales data so that people aren't able to download the same track dozens of times. People supporting the RATM campaign go on about the charity when they are confronted about mass downloading, so can they not just download the track the once and donate what they would have spent on other downloads to Shelter, or is that not rebellious enough for them? as for songs sticking around in the charts longer it is a good thing, thinking back to the days when cd sales were in decline and downloads weren't counted yet, songs would peak in the top 10 and be out of the charts in 3 or 4 weeks. giving a consumer the choice to buy whatever he wants whenever he likes, not just whats stocked in shops when they stock them is surely fairer and gives a more true representation of what music people are listening to/buying. I'm not saying downloads are all bad, but people will only buy what they are listening to, and that is pretty much the same thing as stations continue to play the same music over and over again - at least with X Factor there is a variety. The Big Top 40 manipulates people into thinking that those 40 songs are the most popular and highest bought songs of the week, but it only gets its data from one source (Itunes), physicals aren't included (to stop uncool acts getting in the chart rundown) and airplay stats are included (surely not an indication of what people are buying?). Edited December 17, 200916 yr by Alcohol_Prone
December 17, 200916 yr my thoughts on Joe's 'song' :kink: http://poplovedance.blogspot.com/2009/12/n...ded-caesar.html I agree with almost every word :D
December 17, 200916 yr I never said people didn't buy multiple copies of physical singles, but I don't think it would be to the same extent of buying if the RATM song was only available on physical. It is easy for someone to just sit there at a computer and download the same track dozens of times than actually go out and buy it in a shop. There should be measures in place to stop people who buy more than one copy of something having all the sales contribute to the chart, and download sites should share sales data so that people aren't able to download the same track dozens of times. People supporting the RATM campaign go on about the charity when they are confronted about mass downloading, so can they not just download the track the once and donate what they would have spent on other downloads to Shelter, or is that not rebellious enough for them? I'm not saying downloads are all bad, but people will only buy what they are listening to, and that is pretty much the same thing as stations continue to play the same music over and over again - at least with X Factor there is a variety. The Big Top 40 manipulates people into thinking that those 40 songs are the most popular and highest bought songs of the week, but it only gets its data from one source (Itunes), physicals aren't included (to stop uncool acts getting in the chart rundown) and airplay stats are included (surely not an indication of what people are buying?). There's nothing like as much variety in the songs played on X-Factor as there used to be on TOTP. For a start, nearly every week saw some ex-contestant plugging their latest single or album.
December 17, 200916 yr i think saturday sales will help the xfactor win the battle unfortunately - tomorrows dloads for rage will be the clincher - will they sell around 75k again or more than likely less?if its less again you can expect this to cintinue until sunday therefore the xfactor will probably sell more. rage imo will need to sell around 400k or more to take the no1 spot - KEEP DLOADING IT PEOPLE!!!
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