But I can understand if someone for some reason find it somewhat difficult finding an original song, or just feels like entering a song they love more which happens to be on one of these lists. And if they so wish, I agree with Bang that all there is to do is boycott the song (don't give it points) - but if we love this song just as much, of course we would want to support it! It's just uninspirational and you contribute with NOTHING to this contest in sending a song you know almost everyone have heard/will probably hear very soon..

I think people just disliked the lack of tension/excitement/trhill as "Hollywood was going to win from the moment it was entered". And it definitely seemed so during the final show.

I don't see it as a big deal if some songs are banned, as it's not all that difficult finding a song which is likable and not on these lists.

 

IT'S ACTUALLY QUITE EASY!

They couldn't have disliked it THAT much if most of them voted for it :mellow:

 

God Casey is epic with words. This is what I've been trying to say but cant form coherant paragraphs. :P

 

So to conclude: THIS.

 

:lol:

Also, a few people had said, I think Jonjo did, that they did in fact DISCOVER 'Hollywood' via this contest, I think a few other people said they did as well. So, 'Hollywood' has actually fit the criteria of "discovering new music." Also, I know a lot of people say as long as ONE person has fallen in love with their song due to them sending it then it's deemed a success, so therefore people can't complain about 'Hollywood' if people haved discovered through this contest.

God Casey is epic with words. This is what I've been trying to say but cant form coherant paragraphs. :P

 

So to conclude: THIS.

You've changed your tune! :P

Actually I didn't discover Hollywood via BJSC, I saw a thread topic in the Indie forum, that's how I came across it. And to be fair I knew Hollywood was going to smash it, I gave other tracks a chance, with the high points. I love the track don't get me wrong as its my #1 track in my personal chart, but I did like other tracks in the final, without sounding brutal.

They couldn't have disliked it THAT much if most of them voted for it :mellow:

 

I mean, I gave Hollywood an 8 because it's actually a really good song. (and partly a discovery for me). When it is entered, I would like to support it if I truly love it. But what if it didn't get sent, and maybe he'd send another song I would have considered a great discovery?

 

Quotosibb chose it when he knew it would do extremely well, which is quite unneccessary when the foundation of this contest is about.. yeah.. "discovering new music". The ban of these songs is a supplement to that. And then it seems like you're supporting the sending of songs which actually contributes less to what this contest is really about?

Also, a few people had said, I think Jonjo did, that they did in fact DISCOVER 'Hollywood' via this contest, I think a few other people said they did as well. So, 'Hollywood' has actually fit the criteria of "discovering new music." Also, I know a lot of people say as long as ONE person has fallen in love with their song due to them sending it then it's deemed a success, so therefore people can't complain about 'Hollywood' if people haved discovered through this contest.

 

You're right about this. I'm really for the most of it just talking about generally hyped/known songs being entered. I don't care either way about the ban all that much, but if it contributes more to the discoveries/constant high/good quality finals/a worthy unknown musical act winning and given the respect it deserves etc, then I'm all for it.

 

 

And besides, we don't know how this will turn out for the next contest. We should give it a go for at least one contest..

To me personally, it's not just about "Discovering new music". I take part in this competition as I thought it was a bit of fun (how wrong was I at the moment :lol: :() and just to introduce people to the styles of music I really like and love, discovering new music is just an added bonus. (A pleasent one at that most of the time).

 

And I'm pretty sure Aaron didn't choose 'Hollywood' just because it was going to win (he's already won 2 times (? - before 'Hollywood') and has a 100% qualification record) so why would he need to? :lol:

I mean, I gave Hollywood an 8 because it's actually a really good song. (and partly a discovery for me). When it is entered, I would like to support it if I truly love it. But what if it didn't get sent, and maybe he'd send another song I would have considered a great discovery?

 

Quotosibb chose it when he knew it would do extremely well, which is quite unneccessary when the foundation of this contest is about.. yeah.. "discovering new music". The ban of these songs is a supplement to that. And then it seems like you're supporting the sending of songs which actually contributes less to what this contest is really about?

 

Yes, I am supporting it and so are you by saying you're willing to give a song, you've not actually discovered through this contest but love anyway, points. Which is then contradicting your point... :mellow:

 

I'm supporting it because people should be allowed to send what they wish and not dictated by a list of songs where probably quite a few really aren't that cheap, especially the C-List on Radio 1 and a list I don't think anyone has even heard of before this rule was made :lol:

 

I really don't see why this rule is being enforced when it's probably four people who have complained, which probably three of them have voted songs in the past which would be 'banned' now, or sent a song that would be 'banned'.

It's just anything off 100%

 

If you want to send Bev you'll just have to find another Black Butta that isn't on 100%

Yeah, but my point is that I wouldn't have been able to send "Black Butta" either if the rule was in place at the time. It was an album track from her current era during VI. I wouldn't even be able to send my 'contest redifining' entry, one TIP has always mentioned as his reason for joining. (after seeing it beat the demo of "The Fear" and "Bring Me To Life" - two entries which would still be permitted. :rolleyes:) Maybe you'd let it go because it was a live rendition but still, how many of the participants in VI would have had "Music City Soul" and heard "Black Butta" if I wanted to send the album version instead.

 

Anyway, I don't really want to send anything else from her current era, I'm just sad I can't return to her if/when she puts out her next record. :(

 

While I can see songs like "The Spell", "Under The Sheets" and "Hollywood" being the sorts of winner we get lately isn't a good thing, I think this rule is a bit of a step over the mark. It just seems like certain people pulling their weight around make the rules. One year it's arguing for freedom to send whatever they like (in defense of Eurovision NF entries) and now it's about clamping down on entries deemed uninspired. Meh.

 

I really don't see why this rule is being enforced when it's probably four people who have complained, which probably three of them have voted songs in the past which would be 'banned' now, or sent a song that would be 'banned'.

Exactly "Never Leave You", "Riverside" and "Break Your Heart" (when James was on the for side for this rule) spring to mind. -_-

To me personally, it's not just about "Discovering new music". I take part in this competition as I thought it was a bit of fun (how wrong was I at the moment :lol: :() and just to introduce people to the styles of music I really like and love, discovering new music is just an added bonus. (A pleasent one at that most of the time).

 

Compeltely agree with this. :wub:

Yes, I am supporting it and so are you by saying you're willing to give a song, you've not actually discovered through this contest but love anyway, points. Which is then contradicting your point... :mellow:

 

I'm supporting it because people should be allowed to send what they wish and not dictated by a list of songs where probably quite a few really aren't that cheap, especially the C-List on Radio 1 and a list I don't think anyone has even heard of before this rule was made :lol:

 

 

I actually discovered it through the posts in this forum of "Buzzjack song contest" - and if it hadn't been entered, it would still be a discovery for me. Hence me giving the song decent points. But if the song was banned, then this could have opened for something else - and adding on a new discovery is actually a good thing.

 

On an equal note, I love Alejandro enough to give it a 12, but didn't. What I'm trying to say is that if "cheap" songs can be entered, people will enter them, and people will most likely support the songs too. But I'm just open for this ban thing in might making the contest somewhat better.

 

I don't know, but if banning "pushes" people to get more original and inspired, and it would actually turn out fine - then this would be better. Don't you agree?

 

 

And I'm pretty sure Aaron didn't choose 'Hollywood' just because it was going to win (he's already won 2 times (? - before 'Hollywood') and has a 100% qualification record) so why would he need to? :lol:

 

I never said he chose it because he "knew" it was going to win. I said he knew it would do very, very well, and he also knew that it would be uninspired and somewhat cheap. It seemed obvious that most of us in here had heard it..

Edited January 18, 201015 yr by Freeze

You've changed your tune! :P

 

No I haven't, I said the contest was too predictable now. But I wouldnt ban Marina because I did half discover it via BJSC, and it was a worthy winner, but like I said earlier, as annoyed as i was to be beaten by Alejandro, people clearly WANTED it to beat me so I cant really have sour grapes..

No I haven't, I said the contest was too predictable now. But I wouldnt ban Marina because I did half discover it via BJSC, and it was a worthy winner, but like I said earlier, as annoyed as i was to be beaten by Alejandro, people clearly WANTED it to beat me so I cant really have sour grapes..

And your dissent at the previous few contests was what? :P

And your dissent at the previous few contests was what? :P

 

That it was too predictable and the winners have become so from the beginning, but you dont seem to be getting me.

 

I still think that and I do see some positives in this ban but there are alot of elements of the way it's been written up that I disagree with. What I'm saying is not that cheap is great, but that people have different definitions of cheap and if people WANT to vote for predictable/cheap things they will, and if they dont then they wont. Hell, I gave Marina 8 points because I love it so much, because it deserved high points even though it was already a predictable winner.

 

Its just the way the contest has gone, it's got bigger and bigger and it's a song contest for people to enter what THEY want, not what the mods want. Whilst I may not be HAPPY about cheap/predictable winners, this isnt the way I'd tackle it, imo there is no way to tackle it because it clearly doesnt bother people or they wouldnt vote it, hence why I agree with Casy.

I agree with what Casey has posted before too. And for the record, the last few winners were discoveries completely from the BJSC for me and 'Hollywood' is my new obsession so I'm glad it was entered into the contest!

 

In my opinion, this contest is going more away from being about fun which is supposed to be the point of it right? Yeah, I know people also enjoy discovering music during the contest but when has that not been the case?

 

I think the contest is made a bit more interesting if so-called uninspired entries are entered, which I'm sure is a discovery to at least one member anyways so what's the problem with that?

 

Like Mikey said earlier, if it's not broken why fix it?...

Edited January 19, 201015 yr by Music Maniac

That it was too predictable and the winners have become so from the beginning, but you dont seem to be getting me.

 

I still think that and I do see some positives in this ban but there are alot of elements of the way it's been written up that I disagree with. What I'm saying is not that cheap is great, but that people have different definitions of cheap and if people WANT to vote for predictable/cheap things they will, and if they dont then they wont. Hell, I gave Marina 8 points because I love it so much, because it deserved high points even though it was already a predictable winner.

 

Its just the way the contest has gone, it's got bigger and bigger and it's a song contest for people to enter what THEY want, not what the mods want. Whilst I may not be HAPPY about cheap/predictable winners, this isnt the way I'd tackle it, imo there is no way to tackle it because it clearly doesnt bother people or they wouldnt vote it

 

Well said. This containes much of what I was trying to say earlier. :cheer:

lol so much drama :drama:

 

and I am on mod side...I'm tired of knowing the winner song right after reservations are open which it has happened since XVIII.

Exactly "Never Leave You", "Riverside" and "Break Your Heart" (when James was on the for side for this rule) spring to mind. -_-

 

How was I on the side for this rule when I entered it? Fool.

As a side-note, is one of the strongest issues here the threat of disqualification? Because I think I have potentially seen room for compromise...