May 7, 201015 yr Keep in mind that The Sun is one of the most popular newspapers in the UK, (I believe it's also the best selling?).. It's the best-selling daily and has been a propaganda sheet for Cameron for months. So it's good to see it fail to get a Tory majority. That and Ashcroft's millions.
May 7, 201015 yr Oh come on, he's just Tony Blair Verson 2.0 FFS... More spin, more empty words, more bullsh!t.... I agree with the BBC 3 interviewer - "Same sh"t, different suit"... Absolutely. This was my point in the "personality politics" thread. I think I was more turned off from voting Conservative, not by the Tories themselves as much as I was by Cameron. He IS the Blair spin machine in a different colour suit, and I can't believe in less than 3 years, people have already forgotten that lesson.
May 7, 201015 yr Oh come on, he's just Tony Blair Verson 2.0 FFS... More spin, more empty words, more bullsh!t.... I agree with the BBC 3 interviewer - "Same sh"t, different suit"... Exactly. I greatly admire Tony Blair - indeed that is one of the reasons why I voted for Labour in the previous three elections, much better than Gordon "The Moron". Oh and I supported the War In Iraq. (Just as I would have supported an invasion of Zimbabwe). As Saddam Hussain was wrong for bluffing that he had WMDs; just in the same way that (great Conservative/Liberal politician) Winston Churchill lied about the UK's stockpile of warplanes in service during WW2, which convinced Adolf Hitler to stop the Battle of Britain, and attempt to invade Russia instead which saved us losing the war.
May 7, 201015 yr Some fascinating (but ultimately very speculative) poll information from the Guardian. It asked how certain each respondent was of their voting intentions, and if they weren't certain, who they were thinking of voting for, producing maximum and minimum possible eventual voting numbers. CONSERVATIVES Current poll rating: 33% Unlikely to change: 83% Minimum possible outcome: 27% Maximum possible outcome: 37% LABOUR Current poll rating: 28% Unlikely to change: 68% Minimum possible outcome: 18% Maximum possible outcome: 33% LIBERAL DEMOCRATS Current poll rating: 30% Unlikely to change: 69% Minimum possible outcome: 23% Maximum possible outcome: 40% So we can see that the Lib Dems are the only party with the potential of hitting 40% - although even that probably wouldn't give them a majority. The Tories face a near-impossible task to get a majority as their maximum outcome would be unlikely to give them a majority. The same poll also shows that Cameron is seen as the most competent PM, but also as representing spin over substance more than the other two. So for all the talk of last night's result being a shocker, the poll I've quoted actually kind of saw it coming. The Tories pushed near to their maximum (meaning that pretty much everyone who was even considering voting for them a few weeks ago did end up voting for them) and the Lib Dems sadly fell to their minimum (meaning their only votes came from people who said a few weeks ago that they were 100% certain to vote for them, with all the people who had been seriously considering it abandoning them in the end). Labour came somewhere between the two. Edited May 7, 201015 yr by Danny
May 8, 201015 yr Daily Mirror, Liverpool Echo, Daily Record and Sunday Mirror supported Labour Guardian and Sunday Observer supported LibDems. More on the Tory side however. Daily Express, Daily Telegraph, Sun, Times, Sunday Times, Sunday Telegraph, Evening Standard and News of the World. One that you omitted that no ties as such but was very much against the Tories... The Independent on Wednesday made a big spread about which constituencies you should have voted Labour and those you should have voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. I'm still reasonably confident that the blue scum won't be able to form a deal with Clegg and co, they've got too little common ground and the Lib Dems are practically obliged by law to talk to Labour after these unofficial talks.
May 8, 201015 yr One that you omitted that no ties as such but was very much against the Tories... The Independent on Wednesday made a big spread about which constituencies you should have voted Labour and those you should have voted Lib Dem to keep the Tories out. I'm still reasonably confident that the blue scum won't be able to form a deal with Clegg and co, they've got too little common ground and the Lib Dems are practically obliged by law to talk to Labour after these unofficial talks. I think if talks break down between Cameron and Clegg that there should be a fresh election as opposed to an alliance between Brown and Clegg, 2 parties who failed miserably compared with 2005 should not be able to lock out a party that gained in the region of 100 seats I am confident with a fresh election that the public would realise their mistake and elect a Conservative administration with a working majority
May 8, 201015 yr It's the best-selling daily and has been a propaganda sheet for Cameron for months. So it's good to see it fail to get a Tory majority. That and Ashcroft's millions. I think it is pretty clear now that the papers have a lot less influence over their readers than even I thought Almost all the tabloids did a complete hatchet job on Brown and Clegg and told everyone Cameron's $h!t smelt of roses and yet we still never got a working majority so the influence of the press is very little now
May 8, 201015 yr I am confident with a fresh election that the public would realise their mistake and elect a Conservative administration with a working majority :lol: ive heard that one before....
May 8, 201015 yr :lol: ive heard that one before.... Not so sure tbh A lot of people liked the novelty of a hung parliament but now the reality has kicked in already of the chaos and instability a hung parliament really brings the novelty has already quickly worn off and a fresh election would have a very different result I think
May 8, 201015 yr Not so sure tbh A lot of people liked the novelty of a hung parliament but now the reality has kicked in already of the chaos and instability a hung parliament really brings the novelty has already quickly worn off and a fresh election would have a very different result I think ...indeed , the lib-dems will pick up alot of votes, the country wants change but they dont want the tories who should have won by a landslide.
May 8, 201015 yr I think if talks break down between Cameron and Clegg that there should be a fresh election as opposed to an alliance between Brown and Clegg, 2 parties who failed miserably compared with 2005 should not be able to lock out a party that gained in the region of 100 seats I am confident with a fresh election that the public would realise their mistake and elect a Conservative administration with a working majority Well Labour didn't lose as much as people thought they would so maybe if there is another election in 18 months with a new leader (Ed Milliband would be my choice as much as none of them are Obama-like) then Labour could re-take the marginal seats like my one in which Labour basically lost because people don't like Brown. A lot of Lib Dem voters may vote Labour but maybe Lib Dem may get more votes because more 'Clegg-surge' people would vote. Who knows? Thing is if the Tories CAN get the Lib Dems to side with them then they'll have to be on their best behaviour so they won't be able to do quite a lot of things they wanted so they won't be quite as unpopular as they would have been if they had a majority.
May 8, 201015 yr It's the best-selling daily and has been a propaganda sheet for Cameron for months. So it's good to see it fail to get a Tory majority. That and Ashcroft's millions. The Scottish Sun has been pushing them down our throats, yet they still only have one seat up here. They were 4th in the Scottish vote.
May 8, 201015 yr I actually wouldn't be too displeased with a Tory minority, because there'd be enough Centre-Left politicians for them to pass some of their laws, I'd expect a 'vote of no confidence' to come within a year or so :P. Although, if they don't do too badly the election might just lead to another Hung Parliament :lol:.
May 8, 201015 yr Even though I hate the idea of a Lib Dem/Conservative alliance, I think the longer it goes without another election, the more it favours Labour to a degree. Unless Clegg sides with Brown, Gordon is unfortunately gone so that could boost their vote, and I can also see people deserting the Lib Dems in droves as Labour got 5% more of the vote and 200 more seats. All the people who voted against Cameron will come back to Labour, preferably after they see how disastrous a Conservative government is (especially if Osborne is Chancellor, my gran could do a better job). If a deal goes ahead and we get some kind of nightmare five years, I'll revel in using my first vote to send Cameron down. It'll be great to see Labour come storming back to power after outrage at the Tories, especially after Cameron couldn't do the opposite this time ^_^
May 8, 201015 yr Even though I hate the idea of a Lib Dem/Conservative alliance, I think the longer it goes without another election, the more it favours Labour to a degree. Unless Clegg sides with Brown, Gordon is unfortunately gone so that could boost their vote, and I can also see people deserting the Lib Dems in droves as Labour got 5% more of the vote and 200 more seats. All the people who voted against Cameron will come back to Labour, preferably after they see how disastrous a Conservative government is (especially if Osborne is Chancellor, my gran could do a better job). If a deal goes ahead and we get some kind of nightmare five years, I'll revel in using my first vote to send Cameron down. It'll be great to see Labour come storming back to power after outrage at the Tories, especially after Cameron couldn't do the opposite this time ^_^ Yup I'm thinking same way now tbh. If Clegg goes with Cameron, I can't see it working for long-term period. Changes for Labour, LibDem voters anger at them joining Conservatives etc - could all work in Labour's favour in the end.
May 8, 201015 yr its going to be a very delicate situation if they do work together... there may be some areas of agreement but theres other areas they are totally opposed to. it wouldnt surprise me if any coalition was brought down with disenting tories or lib-dems siding with labour.
May 8, 201015 yr Alex Salmond has called for the SNP and Plaid Cymru to side with Labour and the Lib Dems (and the Greens obviously)... if that works out the Tories are up $h!t creek!
May 8, 201015 yr The thing you have to remember is that Alex Salmond is about the single most irrelevant $h!t streak in Westminster.
May 8, 201015 yr The thing you have to remember is that Alex Salmond is about the single most irrelevant $h!t streak in Westminster. True, but he hates the Tories so should be granted at least a morsel of respect, although I suppose I'm not affected by what he does nortth of the border so it's hard to judge.
May 8, 201015 yr $h!tstain would sell his soul and what ever he has left of his questionable morals for power. The c**t'd jump at a chance for power and independence.
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