A lot of people like the sound of a big final - but a lot of people also don't. Some people are warming to the idea of a second chance round - some people don't like the idea.

 

I know this is only an experiment anyway, but maybe it's best to leave the contest how it is - everyone should be happy that way. Because at the moment, it seems that a lot of people will be unhappy whichever way it goes

I pretty much agree with all of this. As far as I can see, it would be;

 

1. Banlist nominations

2. Banlist results

3. Artist reservation

4. Artist confirmation

5. Semi voting

6. Semi results

7. Second chance voting

8. Second chance results

9. Final voting

10. Final results

 

Or the other way there would only be stages 1,2,3,4,9 and 10 - which is still a fair amount of work for a host in my opinion. Collating three sets of votes would be a strain on the hosts inbox to say the least and I know I wouldn't be keen on making three separate scoreboards on Excel with maybe 150 sets of votes (+ banlist nominations) to take into account all said and done! I'm only saying this from a former hosts point of view, maybe other people enjoyed the work, but I found it a massive overload, particularly in XVIII and that was without the banlist or any of these other proposed stages. What some people see as fun, others will see as a drag (particularly those who struggle to find time to vote in the semis until the last minute who will now have another stage to have to find time to vote in).

 

I know it sounds like I'm dramatically in favour of the one big final option but honestly, I do quite like the second chance idea too - it would definitely bring a different twist to proceedings. But as for adding more fun, I'm not sure it would be fun to find out that your song would have qualified beforehand but missed out after the second chance round had taken place.

 

You choose wether to host or not? Some might like it, but I do understand if it gets too much. Very much it seems =/

 

But if we have a final of two weeks, and excluding the semi finals. Would it still be a monthly contest? It doesn't seem to last long enough then for us to really get to know every months contest well enough. Every contest gets a bit more special/fun/interesting/etc by the semi finals and the predictions thread and the odds thread and all the activity leading up to the final results. As Botanikka explained earlier there would be more fun out of this. And no Mdice, it's not all about discovering music. It's a big/important part of it, and an essential ingredient in the making of Bjsc in the first place, and why we keep doing this - but not all of this contest (read: contest) is about the discoveries on it's own.

Edited April 9, 201015 yr by Freeze

I'm just going to second/third/fourth/fifth what Ben said.

 

Sure, I suppose a two week voting period could create a dull period, lacking activity. But I think the idea of a big final is just a really good one. We'd probably lose the cheapness factor as people like me won't have to worry about getting a safe qualifier and we might get better entries as a result.

 

I feel like there's so much to say, but it's already been said. Basically I can't see how it's so close. The second chance idea sucks. Seriously. If you get the wrong semi, poor you, fate wasn't on your side that month. No need to create an extra stage to chuck out the 'weak links' that rightfully qualified over you. If anything I think it'll cause more strops when a song that would have qualified before doesn't make it.

 

Oh and for those saying they'd leave if we did one big final, as cruel as it sounds, lower partipcation levels only makes it easier on those who stay. It's always sad to see people leave, but I think we'll manage, especially if we open registration again.

A lot of people like the sound of a big final - but a lot of people also don't. Some people are warming to the idea of a second chance round - some people don't like the idea.

 

I know this is only an experiment anyway, but maybe it's best to leave the contest how it is - everyone should be happy that way. Because at the moment, it seems that a lot of people will be unhappy whichever way it goes

 

It's pretty even really, there are strong arguments for and against each one. I wouldn't like to be the person implementing the winning vote (if it's not a draw) because there will be some serious backlash for both of them, particularly when either

 

1) It transpires that not everyone is willing to/has time to vote in 'second chance' or if people become disgruntled when their 'would have been qualifiers' get knocked out (if 'second chance' goes ahead)

2) The contest becomes boring, people find they have too many songs to listen to, don't like voting for so many etc...(if the 'one big final' goes ahead)

 

Either way, there will be a lot of people unimpressed.

Sorry, it's all about discovering new music for people who aren't sad enough to legit care whether they win an online song contest or not. Winning is fun but I'm not going to send a song I'm not crazy over just to do it.

 

I do understand that a lot of people enjoy BJSC for its frills though. Still, we could still have all the fun optional things with just a final: odds, green room, predicta, etc. They'd all still apply. We just wouldn't have semi finals. I don't see the big deal? );

Why can't we just keep it the same?

Experiment blah blah blah.

Oh and for those saying they'd leave if we did one big final, as cruel as it sounds, lower partipcation levels only makes it easier on those who stay. It's always sad to see people leave, but I think we'll manage, especially if we open registration again.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if others left if 'Second Chance' was implemented, just because of there being another compulsory stage to find time to vote for.

 

If anything, this thread seems to suggest that maybe the contest is best left unchanged? There will be anger, walkouts and upheaval at either of these options going through by the looks of it.

Experiment blah blah blah.

 

Or, maybe (just maybe!), trying to make the contest more successful / manageable?

I'm just going to second/third/fourth/fifth what Ben said.

 

Sure, I suppose a two week voting period could create a dull period, lacking activity. But I think the idea of a big final is just a really good one. We'd probably lose the cheapness factor as people like me won't have to worry about getting a safe qualifier and we might get better entries as a result.

 

I feel like there's so much to say, but it's already been said. Basically I can't see how it's so close. The second chance idea sucks. Seriously. If you get the wrong semi, poor you, fate wasn't on your side that month. No need to create an extra stage to chuck out the 'weak links' that rightfully qualified over you. If anything I think it'll cause more strops when a song that would have qualified before doesn't make it.

 

Oh and for those saying they'd leave if we did one big final, as cruel as it sounds, lower partipcation levels only makes it easier on those who stay. It's always sad to see people leave, but I think we'll manage, especially if we open registration again.

TBH anyone who enters anything with sole aim of qualifying and doing well can gtfo imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if others left if 'Second Chance' was implemented, just because of there being another compulsory stage to find time to vote for.

 

If anything, this thread seems to suggest that maybe the contest is best left unchanged? There will be anger, walkouts and upheaval at either of these options going through by the looks of it.

 

I don't know; I think that the fact that so many people have strong opinions suggests maybe things should be changed. Experimenting is good. A lot of people (including myself) were skeptical of the banlist but it's quite brilliant now imo. And I think that people have put forward a quite good argument for the removal of semi finals. I'm not sure anyone has given a real practical reason for the second chance option besides 'semis are fun'.

I wouldn't be surprised if others left if 'Second Chance' was implemented, just because of there being another compulsory stage to find time to vote for.

 

If anything, this thread seems to suggest that maybe the contest is best left unchanged? There will be anger, walkouts and upheaval at either of these options going through by the looks of it.

True, either that or people just won't vote in this second chance stage, making it less reliable than the old method.

 

I'm inclined to agree, I can't believe how close it is really. But if we have to go with one, I know which method works best with less members. (I really don't understand the objection to letting everyone in?)

Or, maybe (just maybe!), trying to make the contest more successful / manageable?

THIS

 

except you can do that in BJSC without getting the loons in a tizzy and being accused of ruining the contest. :manson:

I'm not sure anyone has given a real practical reason for the second chance option besides 'semis are fun'.

*nod*

 

The only argument I've seen that I agree with is that it might make the forum a bit quieter. Losing the speculation over who'll qualify and the actual results, but that's about it. I suppose we could always try and think of alternative ideas to keep things going over that two week period.

*nod*

 

The only argument I've seen that I agree with is that it might make the forum a bit quieter. Losing the speculation over who'll qualify and the actual results, but that's about it. I suppose we could always try and think of alternative ideas to keep things going over that two week period.

 

That's ok, I could do with losing about 100 posts a week anyway :heehee:

 

I think it would be busy enough what with odds/speculation/predictas - the only quiet time might be the week in between the early voters and the last minute voters voting, but I'm not sure it would be a bad thing - I for one do get a bit too involved in some of these things and it would be nice just to step back and digest the new music without worrying whether my semi draw is the worst thing ever and if all of the jazz fans are in the other semi :lol:

One big final:

 

Two weeks of fun and getting the musical discoveries 'out of the way' and moving on to the next one.

 

 

Semi finals:

 

Several weeks of fun, getting to know the contest as a whole/getting to know the songs, more time to discuss the contest, the entries..

 

 

With an AC:

 

Not sure if it would be more fun with an extra week. Probably too many stages for many people. Not everyone would vote in the AC as well? But if everyone did, in theory it would give us a final with the songs that are liked the most by the most of us. Fair quality, great final experience etc..

 

 

I'm all for trying either one, and mostly the AC, but I'd prefer everything staying as it is.

Edited April 9, 201015 yr by Freeze

One big final:

 

Two weeks of fun and getting the musical discoveries 'out of the way' and moving on to the next one.

Semi finals:

 

Several weeks of fun, getting to know the contest as a whole/getting to know the songs, more time to discuss the contest, the entries..

With an AC:

 

Not sure if it would be more fun with an extra week. Probably too many stages for many people. Not everyone would vote in the AC as well? But if everyone did, in theory it would give us a final with the songs that are liked the most by the most of us. Fair quality, great final experience etc..

I'm all for trying either one, and mostly the AC, but I'd prefer everything staying as it is.

One big final and semi finals will run for the same amount of time?

 

The time period from where we'd announce semis to the final result show should be the same amount as we'd allow you to vote in the big final. Rather than the week to vote in the semis, you get that extra week to vote in the final. All the reservation/confirmation/banlist stages would remain.

We can already see that this is no way in hell gonna work :lol:

LMAO. Has a person in 4th place ever hosted before? :lol:

One big final and semi finals will run for the same amount of time?

 

The time period from where we'd announce semis to the final result show should be the same amount as we'd allow you to vote in the big final. Rather than the week to vote in the semis, you get that extra week to vote in the final. All the reservation/confirmation/banlist stages would remain.

 

That's true. Sorry, I guess it just feels bigger with the semis. And with several stages it gives more of that 'contest' feeling.

 

Having a good result means you've managed to find a likable song/a good discovery to a lot of people. I do treasure that :)

Why can't we just keep it the same?

 

Either way, there will be a lot of people unimpressed.

 

If anything, this thread seems to suggest that maybe the contest is best left unchanged? There will be anger, walkouts and upheaval at either of these options going through by the looks of it.

 

We can already see that this is no way in hell gonna work :lol:

 

I don't mind experimenting, but is their need to experiment when we already know the result?

 

Oh, and I'm all for being proved wrong - taking part in a big final and loving it. Don't see that happening, though