Posted July 19, 201014 yr There have been protests outside my work for the past few days after someone in my work was sacked fortelling kids that they should sing 'The Sash'. Each evening at around 6pm, the crowd shuts the gate, barracades themselves in front and stops anyone from going in. Any staff attempting to go in are sworn at by the protesters, with one worker having her car attacked by one of them. Apparantly if he isn't reinstated tomorrow, the mob are going to ransack the shop. What are your thoughts on this issue?
July 19, 201014 yr Instant dismissal seems a bit extreme even if the remarks were rather unwise. That said, violence is hardly a sensible way of trying to resolve the issue.
July 19, 201014 yr whats 'the sash'? i can guess but id sooner know Read the story in the link BB was good enough to provide.
July 20, 201014 yr i dont get it .... if it was a 'throwaway remark' why are those protesters holding plackards supporting the playing of 'the sash'? so whats the issue? unfair dismissal, or people wanting the sash to be played?
July 20, 201014 yr "The Sash" is a pretty disgusting, sectarian "song", and if Northern Ireland is ever going to find peace with itself, things such as this and the Orange Parades really have to be consigned to the dustbin of history, why should people living in Catholic areas be forced to have a parade which basically glorifies killing their own people going on outside their front door....? It's kind of rubbing their faces in it, and glorifies Sectarianism.... I mean, you dont exactly see the Germans going to Auschwitz to "celebrate" gassing millions of Jews do you....? How would this guy know if the people he was making this remark to weren't from a Catholic background...? If they were, it's a downright insensitive thing to say, at best ....
July 20, 201014 yr Author i dont get it .... if it was a 'throwaway remark' why are those protesters holding plackards supporting the playing of 'the sash'? so whats the issue? unfair dismissal, or people wanting the sash to be played? If the protest had been about unfair dismissal, then perhaps I would've had more sympathy for it, given that whilst most the work collegues agree the remark was inappropriate, it was not something to get sacked over. However, the protest has been hijacked by a bigoted lot (including a leader of the UVF), and has led to a great deal of intimidation for everyone involved. One person in my work had to take off his name badge because he was being abused for having an Irish sounding name. And whilst the song in question, The Sash, isn't bigoted, the sentiment behind it sure is.
July 20, 201014 yr If the protest had been about unfair dismissal, then perhaps I would've had more sympathy for it, given that whilst most the work collegues agree the remark was inappropriate, it was not something to get sacked over. However, the protest has been hijacked by a bigoted lot (including a leader of the UVF), and has led to a great deal of intimidation for everyone involved. One person in my work had to take off his name badge because he was being abused for having an Irish sounding name. And whilst the song in question, The Sash, isn't bigoted, the sentiment behind it sure is. It makes references to the Battles of the Boyne, Enniskillen, the siege of Derry, etc..... These idiots still think it's 1689 FFS, and they dont seem to realise that Ireland was itself INVADED and COLONISED by the Brits, or that the potato famine was deliberately exacerbated by the British Govt to quote Jeremy Rifkin - "The Celtic grazing lands of... Ireland had been used to pasture cows for centuries. The British colonized... the Irish, transforming much of their countryside into an extended grazing land to raise cattle for a hungry consumer market at home... The British taste for beef had a devastating impact on the impoverished and disenfranchised people of... Ireland... Pushed off the best pasture land and forced to farm smaller plots of marginal land, the Irish turned to the potato, a crop that could be grown abundantly in less favorable soil. Eventually, cows took over much of Ireland, leaving the native population virtually dependent on the potato for survival..." So, basically, about a million Irish starved to death while the Brits were fed off of goods imported from Ireland... Disgusting, and a really shameful episode in history and definitely, I would argue, tantamount to genocide and as bad as anything the Yanks did to the Native Americans... If these fukkin' Orangemen had any sense of shame or guile, they'd put away their sashes and never march again.... On a lighter not - it really does make me laugh that all these "orangemen" who go around with their Union Jack flags and so on, frankly, they have no sense of irony whatsoever... If they did, they'd realise that they should really be flying DUTCH flags, as William of ORANGE was from the Netherlands...... :lol: :lol: :lol: He probably wouldn't have been sacked for saying that on the mainland, or even in Scotland (where unfortunately in certain parts, such as Glasgow, we seem to have this "orange" disease), but a remark like that in NI is really just looking for trouble and takes on a whole different dimension surely....
July 20, 201014 yr If the protest had been about unfair dismissal, then perhaps I would've had more sympathy for it, given that whilst most the work collegues agree the remark was inappropriate, it was not something to get sacked over. However, the protest has been hijacked by a bigoted lot (including a leader of the UVF), and has led to a great deal of intimidation for everyone involved. One person in my work had to take off his name badge because he was being abused for having an Irish sounding name. And whilst the song in question, The Sash, isn't bigoted, the sentiment behind it sure is. if it was for unfair dismissal i think the world would be behind it! lol..
July 20, 201014 yr if it was for unfair dismissal i think the world would be behind it! lol.. This "protest" has really nothing to do with unfair dismissal though, it's basically a bunch of "Loyalist" thugs just looking to cause trouble... And, tbh anyway, the guy should've kept his gob shut, making statements like that in Northern Ireland has been known to get you a knee-capping in the past, not saying that's right, but it is a fact... Things are still somewhat of a powder-keg over there anyway, you've just had Catholic residents staging violent protests against Orange Marches in their neighbourhoods on the 12th of July anway, a "throwaway" comment such as this is like chucking a match into a lake of petrol....
July 21, 201014 yr Author The worker was reinstated in his job yesterday as the dismissal was viewed as unfair. However, a new twist has emerged, as the man who was sacked has been revealed as a loyalist UVF murderer who killed two Catholics back in the 70s. Just goes to show that the protests were about bigotry rather than unfair dismissal.
July 21, 201014 yr Morrisons would have sacked him on the spot for that as well. It's Gross Misconduct, especially seeing as what he said was to customers. Big companies have a reputation to protect and if someone at my store said something racist or bigoted to a customer they'd be out the door so fast their feet wouldn't touch the ground. I wouldn't say it was unfair dismissal, as long as company procedure is followed i would say it's a very fair dismissal on grounds of gross misconduct.
October 18, 201212 yr Sash were great back in the 90's Encore une fois and Stay were great tracks ;) Didn't they have loads of No.2 hits but never a No.1?
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