I only take it as 'truth' in so far as it's a Palestinian hospital that's been bombed by an Israeli airstrike and this is what's being reported on BBC News and other verified news sources.

BBC and other news outlets are simply quoting "Palestinian sources". They have no way to verify the information, certainly not within 3 hours.

Israel explicitly warned a hospital in Gaza to evacuate earlier today.

No, it did NOT. This was tweeted by Al Jazeera and later removed. Fake news.

BBC and other news outlets are simply quoting "Palestinian sources". They have no way to verify the information, certainly not within 3 hours.

 

True, the IDF claim that it was a militant rocket that misfired is now on the BBC.

 

The huge loss of life in any case is tragic regardless and I'd have hoped international leaders would have been encouraging deescalation rather than going fully behind Israel. At least Sunak, SUNAK, has changed tack and is making sure that Britain provides aid to Palestinian authorities too.

Very sad. :(

 

One of the things I really hate is what a cesspit of misinformation social media has become (not helped by Elon taking over twitter of course). Lots of conflicting posts about who is responsible for the bombing on the hospital with people using old videos and images to claim it was Hamas or Israel. Based on what I can gather, it's looking more likely it was a strike by Israel but I'll wait until things become clearer. I'm sure images of the hospital in the morning will be able to better inform whether it was an air strike or a "misplaced" Hamas rocket.

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I know it's a relatively tiny thing compared to this horrific loss of life but I'm thinking would the Olympics 2024 be OK with all this tension around the World plus being held in Paris of all places which is a bit of a hotspot for terrorist attacks.

 

Several events have started to be cancelled like the MTV Europe event in Paris, again.

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Can't imagine there'd be any issues with the Olympics. The security would be ramped right up, and there's been Olympics in the past which have taken place during highly tense ongoing global conflicts.

So Israel are really stepping up their attack, cutting off electricity and internet in Gaza and doing a full scale bombing attack last night. Gazans can't call for help or be taken to hospital safely. The UN has unequivocally condemned Israel's action and has called for ceasefire but Israel are having none of it. Very few countries are supporting them but USA and their poodle the UK are (despite the public being overwhelmingly for a ceasefire). I'm not the kind of person who is looking for footage of what it is like for the inhabitants of Gaza right now but needless to say it's going to be horrific and genocidal.

 

There's going to be massive demonstrations today in the UK in solidarity with the Palestinians, for which even the tiniest bit of inevitable hijacking by bad actors/extreme Islamists will be used to denounce the valid views of the demonstrators and to smear all of them as antisemites. But there's too many of them who have very strong feelings (including several of my friends who are going) that I'm sure they will continue every weekend for the foreseeable future, until there is a ceasefire. And Bravermann and co might moan about it but there's nothing they can do about it!

So Israel are really stepping up their attack

Fantastic! It's about time. Hamas must be destroyed ASAP.

 

229 men, women, elderlies, children and babies are STILL being held hostage by Hamas.

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^and way more than 20 times that number of Palestinians killed in the IDF's retaliation. Which isn't going to destroy Hamas either, the Israeli disproportionate response will radicalise enough of the surviving Palestinians to keep them alive.

 

I'm starting to notice the more moral of our politicians start to break ranks and show concern. What's happening in Gaza is inhumane, the last 24 hours where the IDF have cut off all communication inside the strip so Palestinians can't stay in contact with their families have been particularly sickening. This isn't how you get justice.

^and way more than 20 times that number of Palestinians killed in the IDF's retaliation.

According to estimations, there are over 40,000 Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

According to estimations, there are over 40,000 Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

 

3,000 of the Palestinian death toll is reported to be children. And for every adult killed who leaves a child behind, that child will hate the Israelis for murdering their parents. Violence breeds more violence.

 

Not to mention the hundreds of thousands wounded or displaced with their homes and livelihoods destroyed, unable to contact their families. There is no moral case for what the IDF are doing at this point. It's just waiting, like with Russia over in Ukraine, to do the ground invasion and actually occupy Gaza.

 

Israel is ignoring the UN secretary-general's calls for a ceasefire, along with a huge number of countries all across the world. They are not in the right.

3,000 of the Palestinian death toll is reported to be children.

The Ministry of Health in Gaza is 100% controlled by Hamas. I don't believe them and neither does Biden, as he himself said this week. They inflate numbers for their propaganda.

 

And I haven't even started talking about the infamous Palywood industry:

 

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Half of the population of Gaza is children. It’s sadly not an unbelievable statistic at all. What’s your interpretation, that every Palestinian killed is a terrorist? Because that’s what you seem to be dancing around saying and it’s obviously not true.

 

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UK MP Layla Moran there. Her and Humza Yousaf have stood steadfast throughout this as much of the UK and US political establishment give implicit permission for the places where their families live to be bombed.

What’s your interpretation, that every Palestinian killed is a terrorist?

No, but many of them are terrorists. Since Hamas use civilians as human shields it's unrealistic to expect that no civilian will be killed. This is war.

Fantastic! It's about time. Hamas must be destroyed ASAP.

 

229 men, women, elderlies, children and babies are STILL being held hostage by Hamas.

 

What do you think will be the predominant response of Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed, along with the possessions they had to leave behind? Will it be

 

a) "Well done Israel"

b) "It's a bit of a blow, but life goes on"

c) "I hate Israel and I'm more determined than ever to get them to leave the Occupied Territories"

d) "I hate Israel and I want to see it wiped off the face of the Earth"?

 

I suspect the predominant feeling will be c). However, a significant number will go for d) which is a route to further suffering and disaster.

 

 

According to estimations, there are over 40,000 Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

 

Which leaves approximately 2.3 million people (including 1 million children) who are not Hamas.

 

The Ministry of Health in Gaza is 100% controlled by Hamas. I don't believe them and neither does Biden, as he himself said this week. They inflate numbers for their propaganda.

 

And I haven't even started talking about the infamous Palywood industry:

 

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Previous figures from the ministry (which are accompanied by lists of the dead) have been accepted as broadly reliable by, among others, the UN.

What do you think will be the predominant response of Palestinians whose homes have been destroyed,

First of all, Gaza is not an occupied territory.

 

Secondly, how did you expect Israel to react to the murder of 1400 Israelis on October 7th? Should it just wait for the next terror attack? :coffee:

 

Hamas is responsible for what it's happening in Gaza. Hamas started this war. The people of Gaza support Hamas. End of.

 

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First of all, Gaza is not an occupied territory.

 

Secondly, how did you expect Israel to react to the murder of 1400 Israelis on October 7th? Should it wait for the next terror attack? :coffee:

 

Hamas is responsible for what it's happening in Gaza. Hamas started this war. The people of Gaza support Hamas. End of.

I didn't say that Gaza was an occupied territory. However, Israel's occupation of Palestinian territory helped to lead to the disaster that is Hamas.

 

Israel's response amounts to collective punishment. That is a war crime and will only serve to increase Palestinian resentment against Israel. If an election had been held in the Palestinian territories last month, Hamas may well have been defeated. Now they would probably win a landslide.

Israel's response amounts to collective punishment. That is a war crime and will only serve to increase Palestinian resentment against Israel. If an election had been held in the Palestinian territories last month, Hamas may well have been defeated. Now they would probably win a landslide.

No, it is NOT a war crime. Unlike Hamas, Israel is operating according to the international law. The USA, the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Cyprus, etc. fully support Israel in its fight against Hamas.

 

As for your second statement, it's simply not true. There's a reason why Abu Mazen refuses to hold elections:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-72-of-pa...s-in-west-bank/

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No, it is NOT a war crime. Unlike Hamas, Israel is operating according to the international law. The USA, the UK, France, Germany, Italy, Cyprus, etc. fully support Israel in its fight against Hamas.

 

As for your second statement, it's simply not true. There's a reason why Abu Mazen refuses to hold elections:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-72-of-pa...s-in-west-bank/

Collective punishment IS a war crime. Both sides in this latest conflict have committed numerous war crimes.

Collective punishment IS a war crime. Both sides in this latest conflict have committed numerous war crimes.

Are you a judge? This is not a collective punishment.

 

There is no symmetry here. Hamas is the aggressor.