I agree with this, about US music being better in general.

 

Let's put it this way, Love the Way You Lie by Tinchy Stryder and Amelle from the Sugababes would not be a million seller. :(

 

It would have been a big flop, Tinchy can't rap for $h!t and Amelle is from the Flopbabes.

 

If "What's My Name" was sung by Ellie Goulding/Katy B/Jessie J feat. Example it would never have been top 2 and I wouldn't of liked it that much. And there's not enough UK female artists to have a Rihanna substitute, so any of the three above would be rubbish

Edited January 7, 201114 yr by *xmasG*

It would have been a big flop, Tinchy can't rap for $h!t and Amelle is from the Flopbabes.

 

If "What's My Name" was sung by Ellie Goulding feat. Example it would never have been top 2 and I wouldn't of liked it that much.

 

Well, not necessarily because I think Tinchy and Amelle aren't very talented (Never Leave You is one of my favourite songs), but because radio would've been more reluctant to play them, they'd be in the media less, they wouldn't be invited to perform on massive TV award shows and stuff, they wouldn't have got Megan Fox in their music video, they wouldn't have gotten to #2 on iTunes without 0 promotion, etc.

The fact that the Top 3 British acts on the list have X-factor connections is very alarming and shows that something is not going right with pushing and promoting homegrown talent away from the X-factor.The fact that American music is currently getting far more attention than British and European music put together is very sad.US music is not better but they do manage to ensure thier acts get hits in the UK whether they promote or not whereas a UK act would need to be seen and heard from television, radio promo, to gigs and tv ads.

USA defo! Uk music is in a dire state when Ellie Goulding and Diana Vickers are some of the top UK acts

It would have been a big flop, Tinchy can't rap for $h!t and Amelle is from the Flopbabes.

 

If "What's My Name" was sung by Ellie Goulding/Katy B/Jessie J feat. Example it would never have been top 2 and I wouldn't of liked it that much. And there's not enough UK female artists to have a Rihanna substitute, so any of the three above would be rubbish

Umm, I don't think you quite realise that American and British music sound completely different/have their own identities. Making these kind of stupid comparisons is pointless.

 

Just like no American rapper could do 'Pass Out' and make it sound as good as Tinie Tempah does... etc etc. Countless other examples could be made.

 

As for the topic: American pop music is better than British pop music right now, sadly. Ours is indeed in a pretty poor state with terrible reality TV acts, useless boybands, personality-free zones making bland music all over the place. Don't think things will get much better until the record labels push through better acts.

 

It's also very true that American music is much more in line with current trends, and thus it gets more rewarded as such. They're the ones fulfilling the demand that is obviously there for certain kinds of music.

 

And for all the talk about not supporting British talent, Radio 1 do try. In fact their playlist has a lot of British acts on it. I just don't think people are that interested in a lot of cases. If British acts grow stronger on the charts than they will on commercial radio too. That's obvious...

Edited January 7, 201114 yr by superbossanova

Voted UK because it's nice in theory to have more of our own acts supported - if they don't have success here, where well they? Unless you're Hard-Fi, who had a #1 hit in Peru. Remember Hard-Fi? Good band.

 

Saying that, I'm more interested in whether UK acts can break through in the US. Mumford & Sons and Florence are both on the verge of it, Tine Tempah could well do and Cher Lloyd oddly has a better chance than any X Factor product since Leona - although I wonder if she'll even do that well over here now Jessie J's around.

Don't worry. Tinie might make it big in the US one day. :wub: He's off to a promising start: http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/dance-cl...Date=2011-01-01

 

But we don't know if any US rappers could ever do a song like Pass Out. I'm sure some could, but they never will (in the near future), because a song like Pass Out wouldn't sell so much in the US. Invincible is probably Tinie's most US-friendly song so far, with a similar-sounding song currently doing well there in the charts, and others having done well in the past. Plus is features Kelly Rowland. :D

UK. It bothers me that US Dance/Urban gets overplayed, when there are GREAT songs out there by british acts which recieve little airplay. For Example... "Nothing" By The Script. I would also LOVE it if one day stations would play COUNTRY music. Seriously, it would bring more variety and meaning to radio. (There have been some really good country songs this year, but alas, most are ignored).

Don't worry. Tinie might make it big in the US one day. :wub: He's off to a promising start: http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/dance-cl...Date=2011-01-01

 

But we don't know if any US rappers could ever do a song like Pass Out. I'm sure some could, but they never will (in the near future), because a song like Pass Out wouldn't sell so much in the US. Invincible is probably Tinie's most US-friendly song so far, with a similar-sounding song currently doing well there in the charts, and others having done well in the past. Plus is features Kelly Rowland. :D

 

I guess their equivalent is someone like Drake - he only really made an impact over here with "Find Your Love" which isn't really similar to most of his music so it doesn't surprise me that "Miama 2 Ibiza" is doing better for Tinie than any of his previous singles in the US.

UK. It bothers me that US Dance/Urban gets overplayed, when there are GREAT songs out there by british acts which recieve little airplay. For Example... "Nothing" By The Script. I would also LOVE it if one day stations would play COUNTRY music. Seriously, it would bring more variety and meaning to radio. (There have been some really good country songs this year, but alas, most are ignored).

 

You're right about that - I'm no fan of country but it's clear that the UK peak for Lady Antebellum's "Need You Know" was wildly disproportionate to the US sales it got, especially considering how strong a link there usually is between the two. The only logical explanation is that the UK just doesn't react well to country - did Radio 1 even playlist NYK?

Artists like Diana, Alesha & Nadine haven't made enough effort to produce something high quality or promote their songs and albums enough, along with the likes of Tinchy Stryder & Roll Deep I can't see them doing anything spectacular from now on.

 

I don't know so much about Alesha and Nadine, but I can say Diana really works hard to get promotion. With Once and MWH, she did radio tours for both of them as well as premiering both on radio 1. But unfortunately for MWH, even though she premiered the song on there, that was probably the only time they played the song :( She didnt have much time to promote TBWML as she was supporting JLS on tour for most of the month, but 2 out of 3 is good :)

 

Nevertheless, I agree that American music does have it's place here, but it would be nice to hear more Uk acts like Diana, Marina and Ellie to some extent promoted more by the radio :)

Don't worry. Tinie might make it big in the US one day. :wub: He's off to a promising start: http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/dance-cl...Date=2011-01-01

 

But we don't know if any US rappers could ever do a song like Pass Out. I'm sure some could, but they never will (in the near future), because a song like Pass Out wouldn't sell so much in the US. Invincible is probably Tinie's most US-friendly song so far, with a similar-sounding song currently doing well there in the charts, and others having done well in the past. Plus is features Kelly Rowland. :D

Umm, that wasn't really the point at all. I was countering his (stupid) post that British acts wouldn't sound as good singing American songs with the idea that it also works vice versa, as American and British music have very different identities. I mean, there are a few British acts that are totally wannabe American *coughTaioCruz* but the likes of Tinie Tempah, Professor Green, Dizzee Rascal, Devlin, Example, Plan B, Tinchy Stryder etc. are totally different to American rappers. Not worse, just different.

Edited January 7, 201114 yr by superbossanova

As for the topic: American pop music is better than British pop music right now, sadly. Ours is indeed in a pretty poor state with terrible reality TV acts, useless boybands, personality-free zones making bland music all over the place. Don't think things will get much better until the record labels push through better acts.

 

It's also very true that American music is much more in line with current trends, and thus it gets more rewarded as such. They're the ones fulfilling the demand that is obviously there for certain kinds of music.

 

And for all the talk about not supporting British talent, Radio 1 do try. In fact their playlist has a lot of British acts on it. I just don't think people are that interested in a lot of cases. If British acts grow stronger on the charts than they will on commercial radio too. That's obvious...

Breakthrough acts (or not so famous) try to get first the attention from media (if they make it) and then get into the charts! Without radio support they will flop most likely! How do you expect them to grow stronger on the charts when nobody knows their existence or their new materials?

 

 

 

 

Breakthrough acts (or not so famous) try to get first the attention from media (if they make it) and then get into the charts! Without radio support they will flop most likely! How do you expect them to grow stronger on the charts when nobody knows their existence or their new materials?

 

I think he was building on what previous posters (such as me) were saying. He wasn't saying that he expects British artists to go high in the charts with no/very little airplay, and then have commercial radio stations playlist them, because, as we all know, that rarely happens, due to the difficulty of getting like 10,000 people to buy a song in one week without the help of radio.

 

It was just people like me saying that some radio stations will be playing as many British artists accoroding to their presence in the charts, and he was saying "Well, yeah, that's obvious".

I think he was building on what previous posters (such as me) were saying. He wasn't saying that he expects British artists to go high in the charts with no/very little airplay, and then have commercial radio stations playlist them, because, as we all know, that rarely happens, due to the difficulty of getting like 10,000 people to buy a song in one week without the help of radio.

 

It was just people like me saying that some radio stations will be playing as many British artists accoroding to their presence in the charts, and he was saying "Well, yeah, that's obvious".

Well if i misunderstood, i'm deeply sorry :rolleyes:

 

One of the artists with lack of radio support is Marina and the Diamonds and she feels "more like a failure than a success"! She gave an interview and she refers how hard is to push her music to the media. And how her label didn't promote her right!

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Article on NME site

Hollywood is a fantastic song. It should've done better. The only other songs I've heard of her's are I Am Not a Robot and Oh No!, but they're both fantastic again (although they sound very similar to each other, but they're good, so it doesn't matter). But come to think of it, I wouldn't know of her if I didn't follow the charts tbh. The only time outside the charts I've ever heard of her was when someone I knew was playing one of her songs on a piano.

 

Marina likes Stronger by Kanye West!!! Gosh, I love her even more now. :wub: She has great taste in music. :)

 

Having watched that now, she comes across as quite bitter and whiney about it all tbh. It's like "My music is so good. People must be crazy not to buy/promote my songs. All the songs that are popular are generic, void of talent. And autotune and dance beats are a bad thing, but my songs are better because of my lyrics". I still love her songs, but she shouldn't be so down on herself, and critical of those who have success/the current taste of the general music-buying public, however demotivating it must all be for her. Plus, Hollywood has quite dancey beats, as does a remix of I Am Not a Robot which I heard (which also uses computerized vocals, may I add).

 

I do think her songs deserve more success, but it's not because the public are stupid, and only tolerant of one genre of music (the charts suggest the public are tolerant of about 5 genres of music, under which Marina easily fits into), it's because they haven't heard her songs.

 

Also, I saw I Am Not a Robot in the top 20 in another country. I can't remember which country it was, and which week, but Written In the Stars by Tinie Tempah was also top 20, as was S&M by Rihanna, if anybody else might recognize it. I remember wishing that could be our chart. :lol:

Edited January 8, 201114 yr by Eric_Blob

I gave a yes to 'more UK acts', but that would be meaningless if they merely swapped US urban acts for British ones...

US music is "better" is a complete absurdity. Music is a matter of personal taste so broad sweeping judgements like that are ridiculous. I think we get back into success vs. quality debate where a lot of people only judge the quality of music on its success which is by no means the only yard stick. Cheryl Cole has been successful but her music isn't of a high quality, obviously in my opinion.

UK. It bothers me that US Dance/Urban gets overplayed, when there are GREAT songs out there by british acts which recieve little airplay. For Example... "Nothing" By The Script. I would also LOVE it if one day stations would play COUNTRY music. Seriously, it would bring more variety and meaning to radio. (There have been some really good country songs this year, but alas, most are ignored).

 

The Script are Irish.

Don't worry. Tinie might make it big in the US one day. :wub: He's off to a promising start: http://www.billboard.com/#/charts/dance-cl...Date=2011-01-01

But we don't know if any US rappers could ever do a song like Pass Out. I'm sure some could, but they never will (in the near future), because a song like Pass Out wouldn't sell so much in the US. Invincible is probably Tinie's most US-friendly song so far, with a similar-sounding song currently doing well there in the charts, and others having done well in the past. Plus is features Kelly Rowland. :D

 

 

What bothers me is if he really makes it in USA he'll have to completely change to appeal to american public and he'll probably ignore UK, something like natasha bedingfield.

Taio and Jay made it because they made records that appeal to american public, there's nothing british in it, it's so american.

 

is there any law that obligates radio stations to play certain amount of UK music, isn't there some rule in french that says 70%or50% of all music played on radio has to be french?

 

Historically, UK music is the one that's been making changes and has revolutionized music like no other nation, UK has had some of the best and most important artists in the history of music.

It's sad radio is ignoring UK acts and that some UK acts americanize themselves.