Has there ever been a year when neither FSR Rontvia nor Kopečka have finished top three at the end of the year? (Not counting 2007 obv) This is SOMEWHAT SUSPECT and though I'd love to credit our brilliant music tastes I totes suspect unconscious favouring of us. Or at least that people tend to pay more attention to our (obviously amazing) max tracks.

Ey, Freeze! Have you stoped to post the below top 30 list after you came in the top 30!? :P

 

sjøldiggar altså :P

 

*ler* No, it wasn't because of that, I promise! It's only to create some suspense and to trigger curiosity as well as a bit of unpredictablness before the results of the last contest and before I calculate the end rankings.

 

Men ja, det stemmer at jeg er blant de 30 beste, ja B-)

 

Hihi :heehee:

Has there ever been a year when neither FSR Rontvia nor Kopečka have finished top three at the end of the year? (Not counting 2007 obv) This is SOMEWHAT SUSPECT and though I'd love to credit our brilliant music tastes I totes suspect unconscious favouring of us. Or at least that people tend to pay more attention to our (obviously amazing) max tracks.

Most self-absorbed, narcissistic, obnoxious and egocentric post of the year. Congratulations *.*

Has there ever been a year when neither FSR Rontvia nor Kopečka have finished top three at the end of the year? (Not counting 2007 obv) This is SOMEWHAT SUSPECT and though I'd love to credit our brilliant music tastes I totes suspect unconscious favouring of us. Or at least that people tend to pay more attention to our (obviously amazing) max tracks.

 

You have to take into account that neither of us have ever missed a contest, if you take a look at the rest of the top ten of the year it's generally filled only with people who have participated in every contest during the year or have great consistency of reaching finals thus racking up points. Also, I know it was only a one off but you'll recall that we finished 2nd and 3rd respectively in the anonymous contest with Zowie and BC Jean, it seems to be more about sending the tracks that win over the crowd more than anything else.

 

I always appreciate the votes but I do hope that people are voting for FSR Rontvia because they like my entries and not just bumping me up because they like me, it's a song contest! I know that people think that I do the same with the likes of Ashton, Numayania, Kopecka etc... god knows I've been participating long enough to see the voting pact/neighbourly voting accusations rear their ugly head every so often but it's really nothing more than similar music tastes. I've never bumped anybody up for who they are, in fact on the first run through of the songs when I'm marking them out of 10, I listen in a random order and don't write down the country name so that I can't be biased!

 

Anyway, my yearly run will have been something like: 18-02/03-01-02-01 thus far, losing to Mdice (possibly 3rd behind you as well) in 2008 and you in 2010.

Most self-absorbed, narcissistic, obnoxious and egocentric post of the year. Congratulations *.*

Someone completely missed the point of what I was saying. If it was all of those things I'd be attributing it entirely to my taste?

I don't even think by and large that it's ACTIVE friendly voting (i.e. people seeing that we've sent tracks and going 'oh, I really like them' and giving us points), but rather probably momentum - as a result of doing so well in the first couple of years of the contest, people pay greater attention to our tracks and give them more of a chance perhaps. I'm aware that obv we're advantaged by being one of the few guaranteed participants every contest, but certainly it's an incredible statistical quirk that, when you take Mdiče out of the equation, we've finished top two pretty much every year going :lol:

Without intending on giving you a Tyron-esque ego, I think you've pretty much booked your place in the top 5. :D

 

As for Batidas, I'm hoping we can sneak back into the top 10. 2012 will certainly be an interesting year for BJSC - will Kopecka and FSR Rontvia dominate all over again or will another nation overshadow them in the next 12 months?** :o

 

** this statement is in no way directed towards Batidas :P

 

TOO LATE BBZ :smoke:

 

Kidding :) Thanks, you've had a pretty amazing year yourself, I definitely think you will be winning awards aplenty when that starts...

Someone completely missed the point of what I was saying. If it was all of those things I'd be attributing it entirely to my taste?

Yeah, I got the point. But I'm not sure why you're placing your success history on the same level with Rich's. You never take any risks, go the same safe boring route. I don't even remember what you sent this year apart from Carew, Sisse Marie and Jody (the latter because it was so goddamn awful). Obviously sending essentially the same BJ-friendly song once per half a year will result in long-term success.

 

edit: Forgot Loreen! YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? :lol:

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Claws out Pavel :o

 

Like I said in another thread recently, I'd like to HOPE that the reason people continue to vote for my entries is because I give them a reason to, by switching up the type of song that I send regularly. Some countries stick to the same 'sound' fairly religiously, and hence attract a limited number of votes from the same countries every month - the ones that love that 'sound'.

 

I don't ALWAYS get votes from exactly the same people, Elsiane and Lykke Li got votes from completely different people to Lise Karlsnes and Chart Music or Katie Cole and Eric Amarillo. I guess what I'm saying is that doing well consistently is not about appealing to the same group of people all the time by sending the same sorts of songs, as they'll just end up with 'Rontvia fatigue' and the law of diminishing returns will kick in :lol:

 

I have no problem when people say that they don't like my entries, when you're leaping from one genre to another it's pretty impossible for everyone to like everything that you send. Maybe they'll like the one I send the following month instead but the person who gave me 12 last time will give me nothing next time! I'd rather every country make a couple of great discoveries from me per year as opposed to one or two people making 10 great discoveries.

I'm firmly in the Rontvia camp of switching up the entries month on month. It's a great strategy and usually works (Although not quite as well as Rontvia I am 3rd in the year rankings and did pretty well the past two years thanks to a little renaissance.) with the occasional mis-fire.

I feel like I'm sort of following the Rontvian way of doing things, only all of my entries revolve around the pop genre so to a lesser extent.

I've been following the Rontvian strategy lately but given the odds for my latest song and the increased success for the last couple of Scandipop songs I sent I wonder if a return to golden era Numayania is in order...

If all else fails you can't go wrong with some glorious Scandipop to fall back on!

 

By and large though, Sweden just haven't been delivering the goods during the latter half of this year :(

Has there ever been a year when neither FSR Rontvia nor Kopečka have finished top three at the end of the year? (Not counting 2007 obv) This is SOMEWHAT SUSPECT and though I'd love to credit our brilliant music tastes I totes suspect unconscious favouring of us. Or at least that people tend to pay more attention to our (obviously amazing) max tracks.

I do think this does play a part in it - but not people voting because it's Kopecka or FSR Rontvia. I must admit, I do go in to a track sent by FSR Rontvia and think 'ooh, I wonder what this will sound like', there's no doubt there's more anticipation behind hearing a song sent by FSR Rontvia than there is a song sent by... idk, N-Lazone?

 

However, this could also have a reverse effect? The fact I sometimes go into a song sent by FSR Rontvia (more so, than with Kopecka, I wouldn't say there's quite as much momentum there), means that if it's not as good, I may think it's worse than if it was sent by someone else, because I'm disappointed based on expectations. So, it could have the opposite effect, therefore, credit to both you and Rich.

I do think this does play a part in it - but not people voting because it's Kopecka or FSR Rontvia. I must admit, I do go in to a track sent by FSR Rontvia and think 'ooh, I wonder what this will sound like', there's no doubt there's more anticipation behind hearing a song sent by FSR Rontvia than there is a song sent by... idk, N-Lazone?

 

However, this could also have a reverse effect? The fact I sometimes go into a song sent by FSR Rontvia (more so, than with Kopecka, I wouldn't say there's quite as much momentum there), means that if it's not as good, I may think it's worse than if it was sent by someone else, because I'm disappointed based on expectations. So, it could have the opposite effect, therefore, credit to both you and Rich.

 

Indeed, expectation brings hype and hype can lead to disappointment. It's a double edged sword. Nobody's going to like all of my entries and I don't like all of anybody's entries, it's the way it goes - but I'm the same - I always wait with expectation to see what the likes of Ashton, Kopecka, Ojnoj and Numayania send purely based on how they've done in my voting history. However, although I may look forward to them more, ultimately I judge them just as I judge anybody else's entries. I sometimes feel an irrational sense of guilt if I don't like their entries enough to vote for them but not enough to encourage me to do so, it's a song contest at the end of the day after all and I always award my points to my ten favourite songs.

Indeed, expectation brings hype and hype can lead to disappointment. It's a double edged sword. Nobody's going to like all of my entries and I don't like all of anybody's entries, it's the way it goes - but I'm the same - I always wait with expectation to see what the likes of Ashton, Kopecka, Ojnoj and Numayania send purely based on how they've done in my voting history. However, although I may look forward to them more, ultimately I judge them just as I judge anybody else's entries. I sometimes feel an irrational sense of guilt if I don't like their entries enough to vote for them but not enough to encourage me to do so, it's a song contest at the end of the day after all and I always award my points to my ten favourite songs.

I long for the day I can give you big points again :( The Last Time got 10pts, All My Life got like 7 points from me, I think - but that's it all year.

 

I REMEMBER THE DAYS OF 'DONT WAIT FOR ME' AND 'MUSIC EVERYWHERE' AND 'BY MY SIDE' - I gave you like 8pts+ every contest in a row :( Come back GENERIC RICH!

I'd like to say I never vote for a country because of the person behind it. Judging from my monthly "Batidas Most Voted For" list, each month there's been a different #1.

 

If I like a song, it'll get points off me. For eg; I really didn't like 'Strawberry Shake' so FSR Rontvia got nothing from Batidas in that contest (which was my debut iirc?). So proof is there that I vote for the song, not the person who sent it.

 

Like GD rightly put, it's a song competition. Not a "fave poster" competition. Otherwise it's a glorified BuzzR8 all over again. :D

But having a strong presence like FSR Rontvia can also be positive. Say if someone liked 2 songs equally but had to choose only 1 song to vote for or one song with more poitns and the other with less, this is where nation preference steps in sometimes.

I long for the day I can give you big points again :( The Last Time got 10pts, All My Life got like 7 points from me, I think - but that's it all year.

 

I REMEMBER THE DAYS OF 'DONT WAIT FOR ME' AND 'MUSIC EVERYWHERE' AND 'BY MY SIDE' - I gave you like 8pts+ every contest in a row :( Come back GENERIC RICH!

 

Sorry Rob, but there are more than enough generic pop countries in the contest nowadays for you to vote for, I don't need to add to it (maybe every once in a while I don't mind :P)

 

2010 and XXI-XXX wasn't my most inspired era so I went back to the XI-XX drawing board this year of switching things up more regularly and I've returned to #1 in the yearly chart! :D Obviously that means I've lost a lot of support from countries that loved all of my generic pop entries but I feel happier with the songs that I'm sending at least :lol: That said, Music Everywhere is still one of the best songs I've ever sent!

 

I'd like to say I never vote for a country because of the person behind it. Judging from my monthly "Batidas Most Voted For" list, each month there's been a different #1.

 

If I like a song, it'll get points off me. For eg; I really didn't like 'Strawberry Shake' so FSR Rontvia got nothing from Batidas in that contest (which was my debut iirc?). So proof is there that I vote for the song, not the person who sent it.

 

Like GD rightly put, it's a song competition. Not a "fave poster" competition. Otherwise it's a glorified BuzzR8 all over again. :D

 

I can't say for certain but I'm pretty sure that the country I've given most points to this year is Espen, an 'indie country', go figure! I very very rarely award either my 12 or 10 to generic sounding songs, and Espen never send them hence why they've tended to do very well with me this year. Obviously plenty of other countries send non-generic songs but Espen's I find to be more accessible than some of the more underground alternative offerings from other countries. They so often find the perfect mix of a unique and/or original sounding song that stands out from the pack coupled with a great melody and that's more or less what I look for in this contest these days.

But having a strong presence like FSR Rontvia can also be positive. Say if someone liked 2 songs equally but had to choose only 1 song to vote for or one song with more poitns and the other with less, this is where nation preference steps in sometimes.

 

I wonder if other posters think the opposite way, if they like my entry as much as somebody else's, they'd prefer to vote for the underdog instead? Generally if I like two songs absolutely equally then I'll give the more original/inspired of the two the higher support.