Hardly, if they only had the time and money to invest in one of the finalists they've picked the right one because Olly is still doing rather well. His second album will almost certainly match "Classic"'s sales, and he's selling singles on top of that.

I don't think shortage of money is something Cowell is going to have to worry about any time soon.

I have to say I find it a bit sad that Joe stans are soooooooo obsessed with Simon Cowell. I swear I can't remember the last time I read a post from a Joe fan that didn't say "Simon/Syco must look pretty stupid now!". Move on.

 

Its not a matter of being obsessed, I certainly am not and havent watched anything relating to Cowell for a good 18 months. It was a valid point that he chose not to market or invest any time in Joe but Universal have proven if you bother and believe in an artist the market is there. I think 5 weeks in the top 5 where most albums plummet after charting high in the first week proves that. Also there are a lot of people that are not fans of Joe pleased hes doing well just because of how Cowell treated him. I've seen many posts of that ilk here and other forums. Syco are a terrible label thats what Cowell should worry about its reputation, not losing whatever Joe may or may not sell.

Just to be proven right!

 

Isn't he still the 'living shame' of XF? :lol: He must be the winner with the least sucessful 1st era.

 

I think Steve Brookstein holds that 'honour'. Leon Jackson probably 2nd. At least Joe had another (very) minor hit after Ambitions, Leon just vanished after Don't Call This Love! I suspect 'Wide Awake' sold more than 'Right Now' (or at least close) as well.

 

Its not a matter of being obsessed, I certainly am not and havent watched anything relating to Cowell for a good 18 months. It was a valid point that he chose not to market or invest any time in Joe but Universal have proven if you bother and believe in an artist the market is there. I think 5 weeks in the top 5 where most albums plummet after charting high in the first week proves that. Also there are a lot of people that are not fans of Joe pleased hes doing well just because of how Cowell treated him. I've seen many posts of that ilk here and other forums. Syco are a terrible label thats what Cowell should worry about its reputation, not losing whatever Joe may or may not sell.

 

Simon doesn't give a shit about Syco's reputation as long as he's still making money. :P

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I have to say I find it a bit sad that Joe stans are soooooooo obsessed with Simon Cowell. I swear I can't remember the last time I read a post from a Joe fan that didn't say "Simon/Syco must look pretty stupid now!". Move on.

People always like to see someone with a large ego proved wrong. Cowell has an ego the size of a galaxy so the sense of schadenfreude is bound to be equally large.

I don't think shortage of money is something Cowell is going to have to worry about any time soon.

 

Exactly my point. Its not about sales or money. Its about reputation.

Exactly my point. Its not about sales or money. Its about reputation.

 

Not when we're talking about Syco it isn't. Simon will continue to treat his less popular acts like shit for as long as he's earning loads of money (which will be unlikely to stop any time soon).

However what Universal have also done is ruin his chances of ever having a chance at being a pop star, which he himself has said is what he really wanted.

 

When did he say this? The treasure trove of information that is Wikipedia says Joe wanted to do more ballads on his debut so I get the feeling Classic is more in line with what he wants to record.

 

I agree Universal are being quite manipulative making him do an album of classical/opera stuff quickly off the back of PSTOS but ultimately I think this is better for him. I can see him actually lasting for a while longer if he stays with this style of music instead of reverting back to average electropop.

Not when we're talking about Syco it isn't. Simon will continue to treat his less popular acts like shit for as long as he's earning loads of money (which will be unlikely to stop any time soon).

A lot of people who become very wealthy still want to make even more money. Many of them are bankers. Cowell is one letter different. And I don't mean he's a backer.

I think Steve Brookstein holds that 'honour'. Leon Jackson probably 2nd. At least Joe had another (very) minor hit after Ambitions, Leon just vanished after Don't Call This Love! I suspect 'Wide Awake' sold more than 'Right Now' (or at least close) as well.

Simon doesn't give a shit about Syco's reputation as long as he's still making money. :P

 

Yes people should do some research instead of believing what they read in "newspapers" Wide Awake sold almost 100,000 copies with NO AIRPLAY and very little promotion, I for one think that is quite impressive. Its a lot easier to sell when your record is played on the hour every hour on all commercial radio stations. How is Cowell proven right, ridiculous statement. He was hardly given a chance. Something he has been given now and look..he sold that total of his 2nd album in 3 weeks.

A lot of people who become very wealthy still want to make even more money. Many of them are bankers. Cowell is one letter different. And I don't mean he's a backer.

 

:lol: I got that one

Not when we're talking about Syco it isn't. Simon will continue to treat his less popular acts like shit for as long as he's earning loads of money (which will be unlikely to stop any time soon).

 

Yes I understand what you are saying I just meant it doesn't say much for them as a label that Joe can sell as many albums with Universal in 3 weeks (and a lot more since) than he did with them in over a year. They Know Joe's strengths. His voice. Simple.

I do not like him but he was at least better than Joe :lol: (it was a bad year for XF totally)

 

To be fair his songs are better than the average XF release anyway and he is doing very good (exeeded my expectations at least) saleswise. I believe it may have more to do with his genre rather than him being a great singer... Having said that I am not sure what his target group really is. This means a) he doesn't have a strong loyal fanbase but b) he could generally appeal to more people without nessecarily brainwashing them.

 

"He may be successful now but I don't think he has enough to sustain it beyond another couple of years. Only my opinion of course just based on all the songs sounding so similar and people may tire of it."

 

;) Assuming the rest of the XF bunch will?

 

EDIT: why do people keep mentioning Joe's classics as a success? If it does a 300K total will you still consider it a success?

 

Yes of course a Platinum album is a success is it not? I read earlier that Britney Spears last album and also Jlo's havent broken 100k yet in the UK. No-one saying they arent a success anymore are they. It was a more general point I was making that people think far too short term when they say who is more successful than who. That kinda talk is far too premature IMO. If Joe were to train as an opera singer down the line like he's been advised to do maybe he could have a career doing that. His album may not sell a million switching to that genre but he could have a steady career in music. That was the point.

When did he say this? The treasure trove of information that is Wikipedia says Joe wanted to do more ballads on his debut so I get the feeling Classic is more in line with what he wants to record.

 

I agree Universal are being quite manipulative making him do an album of classical/opera stuff quickly off the back of PSTOS but ultimately I think this is better for him. I can see him actually lasting for a while longer if he stays with this style of music instead of reverting back to average electropop.

 

Why is it so important to be a pop star anyway Most artists with longevity aren't. The pop market is very fickle. I believe there are plans for Joe to start recrding his third album in January. Will be interesting to see what they do. I think a mixture of some great covers and a few new songs probably.

People always like to see someone with a large ego proved wrong. Cowell has an ego the size of a galaxy so the sense of schadenfreude is bound to be equally large.

 

But I'm so bored of reading about it! Every time something marginally positive happens to Joe 10 fangirls post YET AGAIN about how stupid Simon/Syco must look/feel. We get it! You're happy, and feel free to be happy, but it gets boring. Every time something positive happens to one of my faves I don't drone on about the people who have wronged them in the past!

Why is it so important to be a pop star anyway Most artists with longevity aren't. The pop market is very fickle. I believe there are plans for Joe to start recrding his third album in January. Will be interesting to see what they do. I think a mixture of some great covers and a few new songs probably.

 

So, Wide Awake 2.0 then? :P

Yes of course a Platinum album is a success is it not? I read earlier that Britney Spears last album and also Jlo's havent broken 100k yet in the UK. No-one saying they arent a success anymore are they. It was a more general point I was making that people think far too short term when they say who is more successful than who. That kinda talk is far too premature IMO. If Joe were to train as an opera singer down the line like he's been advised to do maybe he could have a career doing that. His album may not sell a million switching to that genre but he could have a steady career in music. That was the point.

 

People are saying Britney isn't a success any more to be fair :P JLo's album has sold fairly poorly but she's more than made up for it with how big On The Floor was.

So, Wide Awake 2.0 then? :P

 

Wide Awake was a good album I wouldn't mind :)

 

Actually I meant similar to this album (meaning ballads), promoting his voice but with some new material as well as some well chosen covers :) I don't really mind. I love Joes voice and as long as he continues to record and sell enough to do so thats all I care about. There are a few so called more popular artists selling less albums than Joe right now as well.

People are saying Britney isn't a success any more to be fair :P JLo's album has sold fairly poorly but she's more than made up for it with how big On The Floor was.

 

Just don't understand why a platinum album is being talked about as maybe not being a success. .Maybe coz its looking like Joe might acheive it and certain people thought he'd never get there.

 

I was shocked at Jlos album figures with all the airplay she gets, even more so as she sells singles.

Hardly, if they only had the time and money to invest in one of the finalists they've picked the right one because Olly is still doing rather well. His second album will almost certainly match "Classic"'s sales, and he's selling singles on top of that.

 

Olly is not with Syco. Like JLS as well.

 

However, Joe has proven how horrible they were. Clearly, Syco does look stupid.

But I'm so bored of reading about it! Every time something marginally positive happens to Joe 10 fangirls post YET AGAIN about how stupid Simon/Syco must look/feel. We get it! You're happy, and feel free to be happy, but it gets boring. Every time something positive happens to one of my faves I don't drone on about the people who have wronged them in the past!

But have any of your favourite artists been written off so comprehensively before staging a successful comeback? Joe has been on the defensive since he failed to go straight to number one with The Climb. The fact that it was partly down to a dreadful choice of song was wasn't his fault. Neither was it his fault that his Fix Factor win coincided with a well coordinated campaign against the programme.

 

I'm not a fan. However, he's got a decent voice and I'm pleased to see him doing well. The fact that he's proving Cowell wrong makes it even better.