'Give Me Everything' is the only song in the YTD top 20 I'd describe as predominantly rap/hip-hop. Price Tag, Party Rock Anthem, On The Floor, Changed The Way You Kiss Me, Sweat, Do It Like A Dude (that's greatly stretching 'rapping') and Yeah 3X all have rapping in them but I'd describe them as predominantly either pop (PT, OTF, DILAD) or dance (PRA, CTWYKM, Sweat, Y3X). I'd go so far as to say 'I Need A Dollar' and the two Adele entries are the closest thing to urban in the top 20 aside from GME, because they're at least true to an 'urban' genre (namely soul) without much crossover. Even GME has dance/pop crossover.

 

So I count 11 there stretching the term 'urban' as far as I possibly can. Assuming you don't have Adele as urban and since you've already said you've excluded JLo and Aloe, I don't see how you've got up to 11...

 

And I only see 3 'urban' albums in the albums top 20 and that's being incredibly tenuous with Cee Lo Green :huh: (Tinie and Beyoncé being the other 2 - again I can be even more tenuous and include the two Adele albums to make it up to 5 but 7?!)

 

I know someone would ask, so...

 

Singles :

 

Jessie J ft B.o.B. Price Tag

LMFAO Party Rock Anthem

Pitbull Give Me Everything

Bruno Mars Grenade

Rihanna S&M

Bruno Mars Lazy Song

Chris Brown Ft Benny Benassi Beautiful People

Example Changed The Way You Kiss Me

Snoop Dogg & David Guetta Sweat

Jessie J Do It Like A Dude

Chris Brown Yeah 3x

 

Strictly speaking, I *should* include J-Lo - OTF, since Pitbull was the featured artist...

 

Albums :

 

Bruno Mars Doo-Wops & Hooligans

Rihanna Loud

Jessie J Who You Are

Cee-Lo Green Lady Killer

Plan B Defamation Of Strickland Banks

Beyonce 4

Tinie Tempah Disc-Overy

 

Let the arguments begin! :P

 

Anastacia?

 

Is that because you don'r know her, or because you don't count her in the category?

 

I'm sure they're not. It's to because they're shipped through Jersey. It may have changed but 2-3 years ago this was definitely the case, and they did not count towards the chart.

 

AIUI, it's where the purchase is *made* from, not where it is shipped from, that counts.

Edited October 21, 201113 yr by vidcapper

The fact that Adele has sold over 3 million copies of her album this year, proves there is still life in the album format. I think the problem has been a lack of credible new artists coming out of the woodwork. Instead, we have seen an endless number of X factor releases which borrow songs heavily and are poorly produced. The albums contain little in the way of any effort or imagination. If record companies really want to invest in an artist for the long term, they need to start thinking outside of the box and investing in them by working with a good production and song writing team.

Okay, I'm going to actually give a sensible suggestion this time. :lol:

 

Don't know if it would help much, but having a 3 hour album chart show on Radio 2 (to match what we get with the singles on Radio 1) might help sales a little bit. So they'd countdown the top 40 rather than the top 5, and play a track from each album or something.

 

And as I said before aswell, simply making better albums would help. I think there've been good albums the past couple of years, but they simply don't have the wide mainstream appeal that an album like Adele's has.

 

And urban music is NOT dominant this year at all. Not at all. Pop music is the big thing at the moment. If you think RnB and hip hop are dominating the charts, you're probably still living in 2007 I'm afraid. :lol:

 

Even Give Me Everything is not predominantly rap/hip hop. The beat changes too much in it, there's no percussion, it has a tempo of 130 bpm or something ridiculous. It's produced by Afrojack. Give Me Everything is nothing more than a europop song with rapping on. Infact, Ne-Yo was originally going to have the song on his own album with no rapping on.

 

Price Tag and Grenade are the only remotely urban songs in the YTD top 10.

Edited October 21, 201113 yr by Eric_Blob

I'm sure they're not. It's to because they're shipped through Jersey. It may have changed but 2-3 years ago this was definitely the case, and they did not count towards the chart.

 

Yes they are included.

 

"retailers representing more than 3,500 over the counter shops, home delivery retailers and a wide range of digital stores. These stores span independent retailers (such as Rough/mail order Trade, Jumbo, Chalky's and many others, all around the country), high street chains (such as HMV, Fopp and WH Smith), supermarkets (such as Sainsbury's, Tesco, Asda and Morrisons), internet mail order (such as Amazon, Play.com and Recordstore.co.uk) and download services (iTunes, 7Digital, Amazon MP3, HMV, and others). As a result, we estimate that we capture around 99% of all singles sold, 98% of all albums and 90% of all videos/DVDs".

 

Source: theofficialcharts.com FAQS

 

You can also add QVC to the list as well (who only sell physical albums), they were added to the official sales list last year.

Even Give Me Everything is not predominantly rap/hip hop. The beat changes too much in it, there's no percussion, it has a tempo of 130 bpm or something ridiculous. It's produced by Afrojack. Give Me Everything is nothing more than a europop song with rapping on. Infact, Ne-Yo was originally going to have the song on his own album with no rapping on.

 

Guess which part of the above I have issues with, though. :rolleyes:

 

Perhaps I'm the only person here who considers any rapping on a song to throw it into the urban catagory, but I've never been bothered to be in a minority of one. :)

 

This brings me back to one of my favourite ideas - that every dance etc. song with a featured rapper, like the above, should have a non-rap version available, as then it would get much wider airplay (Heart etc), and thus sales, from people like myself.

Guess which part of the above I have issues with, though. :rolleyes:

 

Perhaps I'm the only person here who considers any rapping on a song to throw it into the urban catagory, but I've never been bothered to be in a minority of one. :)

 

This brings me back to one of my favourite ideas - that every dance etc. song with a featured rapper, like the above, should have a non-rap version available, as then it would get much wider airplay (Heart etc), and thus sales, from people like myself.

 

Heart FM did actually have a Ne-Yo solo version of Give Me Everything on their playlist for a while.

 

http://i731.photobucket.com/albums/ww316/janieiscool1/Heart.png

 

I never heard it, but I'd be interested to see how they did it. Obviously, Heart FM would've made the edit themselves. I agree that non-rap versions would be good. I can't see why they don't make them, since it'd only get extra sales. I can't see how it'd hurt at all.

 

But I can't physically bring myself to say Give Me Everything is urban. They way I see it, it is exactly the same as any Britney Spears, Cascada, Lady Gaga, Inna, etc. song. I know rapping is a big part of hip hop, but I don't think the fact that there's rapping on Give Me Everything changes that fact that it's essentially the same song as, say, Cry For You by September with different lyrics.

Price Tag and Grenade are the only remotely urban songs in the YTD top 10.

 

 

"Grenade"? The Bruno Mars "Grenade"? What's urban about that?

"Grenade"? The Bruno Mars "Grenade"? What's urban about that?

 

Okay. Didn't you once say Don't Stop the Party and Beautiful People are RnB songs? :lol:

 

And I said "remotely urban".

 

But I can't physically bring myself to say Give Me Everything is urban. I don't think the fact that there's rapping on Give Me Everything changes that fact that it's essentially the same song as, say, Cry For You by September with different lyrics.

 

Although I do find Petra Marklund (*) far more attractive than Pitbull. :lol:

 

(*) Although the picture of her on Wikipedia is probably the least flattering one I've ever seen of her.

I back a seperate album chart. People often don't know what's out there and it gets very minimal coverage on the chart. Top 5 isn't enough when 2/5 of that is often Adele. Is it a coincidence that album sales began falling as the chart show cut down the rundown from 20-10-5?

I back a seperate album chart. People often don't know what's out there and it gets very minimal coverage on the chart. Top 5 isn't enough when 2/5 of that is often Adele. Is it a coincidence that album sales began falling as the chart show cut down the rundown from 20-10-5?

 

I would agree with this. I think the interest in the album chart is underestimated by Radio 1. I know a few people who listen in to the Sunday chart to find out the album update then switch it off, so are more interested in albums than singles.

I assume that albums sold at gigs aren't included in the official charts?

(I'm not saying that loads are sold at gigs, just curious)

Edited October 21, 201113 yr by rio1

I back a seperate album chart. People often don't know what's out there and it gets very minimal coverage on the chart. Top 5 isn't enough when 2/5 of that is often Adele. Is it a coincidence that album sales began falling as the chart show cut down the rundown from 20-10-5?

 

Yes it is, but giving it more coverage could help. Boosting album sales (their own, naturally) was probably also a minor contributory reason for iTunes making songs 99p, as I mentioned before album sales were at their highest when everyone had a larger disposable income and singles were much more expensive. Any extra promotion the album chart gets won't change that, so sales won't begin to pick up as long as the economy is struggling because even people who aren't massively effected money-wise will have thoughts in the back of their mind that they COULD be, and will be more cautious with spending.

I know for me, I have really slowed down on the albums I buy this year. Infact I've only bought Steps Ultimate Collection, Same Difference - The Rest Is History and I have Darren Hayes - Secret Codes and Battleships on it's way.

 

There are a ton of albums I want though - I still haven't bought Adele, Jennifer Lopez, Nicole Scherzinger, Take That, Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Nicola Roberts and there's a whole host of new albums coming up that I want.

 

There's two main reasons why I haven't been buying albums - firstly the cost - I am refusing to buy albums for £8 or £9 and then in a few months time they get knocked down to half the price. I would rather wait till that happens, then buy an album full price and then think to myself, damn i could have saved myself a fiver.

 

The other reason is I get sick of buying albums and then a year later they are re-released, sometimes with 8 new songs it - think Take That, Lady Gaga etc. I've got to a point now, that I'll probably buy an artists album once they've moved onto their next knowing full well it's not going to have a re-release.

This brings me back to one of my favourite ideas - that every dance etc. song with a featured rapper, like the above, should have a non-rap version available, as then it would get much wider airplay (Heart etc), and thus sales, from people like myself.

 

'Give Me Everything' doesn't have a 'featured rapper', it's BY a rapper. You can't cut out the rap from a song that is by a rapper. (Heart did on this occasion but Heart is a stupid station anyway).

'Give Me Everything' doesn't have a 'featured rapper', it's BY a rapper. You can't cut out the rap from a song that is by a rapper. (Heart did on this occasion but Heart is a stupid station anyway).

 

The above is why I only suggested rap-free versions of songs where the rapper is only the featured artist - it's obviously impractical where they are the lead.

Of course in those cases, there's no chance whatsoever of my liking the song anyway. :rolleyes:

 

As for Heart, if I ever listened to the radio outside the Chart Show, they would be the most likely candidate.

Edited October 22, 201113 yr by vidcapper

Okay. Didn't you once say Don't Stop the Party and Beautiful People are RnB songs? :lol:

 

No, I said they're more R&B than "Russian Roulette". And they're both was on the recent NOW R&B Compilation that was in the charts a couple of weeks ago.

 

--

Richard

Edited October 22, 201113 yr by fchd

"Grenade"? The Bruno Mars "Grenade"? What's urban about that?

 

Ask the urban genre music channels on Sky - they seems to think he is. :)

Ask the urban genre music channels on Sky - they seems to think he is. :)

 

Urban genre music channels have just as wide a defintion of the term as you do though. I'm sure I've seen JLS on an 'urban' channel.

Urban genre music channels have just as wide a defintion of the term as you do though. I'm sure I've seen JLS on an 'urban' channel.

 

Why not - they *are* urban.

 

I would describe them as boyband R&B