The campaigns seem to realise they have failed so are plummetng!

 

I got crucified on by some commenters on my blog (and on here) for suggesting that the Nirvana one wouldn't catch on! It's really performed atrociously though considering the supposed hype it had behind it and high Facebook group member -> sales ratio that some people were obviously expecting that didn't materialise! Taking into account all of the multibuys, the conversion ratio could be as low as 20% :o

As you said in the thread about it....the campaign has been done in 2009, this kind of thing destroys all that was good about it and dilutes its value.....the MWC is the example of how the future xmas chart will be once X-Factor falls away even more(unless its revamped effectively).

This was the comment that stuck out from my blog (from an anonymous poster);

 

"As for your the prediction that Nirvana will sell maybe only 60000, I seriously suggest that you times that by 7 as there may only be circa 132000 likes on the Facebook page but that is gaining momentum and is actually in a far better position numbers wise than the RAGE campaign was at the same time of year in 2009. Feel free to check that with Jon Morter the man behind the RAGE campaign who has come on board and is driving the campaign forward in the media. Expect those figures to shoot up dramatically :)"

 

I think people were expecting FAR too much from it, even I was with a 60k prediction...looks like it will be incredibly lucky to get to 35k...

 

It may have been in a better position numbers wise at a comparative time to RATM (probably many purely due to 'liking' the idea of getting a classic song to a more deserved peak) but as I suggested last week, with no social, cultural or political impact or real reason for outsiders to get involved and get behind the group, I don't see how the two situations could possibly be held in the same regard by some people. That figure has shot up dramatically by all of 9k in the last ten days...

This was the comment that stuck out from my blog (from an anonymous poster);

I think people were expecting FAR too much from it, even I was with a 60k prediction...looks like it will be incredibly lucky to get to 35k...

 

Just Thursday night people were thinking that Nirvana could still make it. It's taken till Friday for them to realize that it's hasn't worked.

To be honest I thought Nirvana wouldn't even make top 40. Looking to go top 10 is a success in my eyes. Obviously it was never going to go to #1 though. :P

To be honest I thought Nirvana wouldn't even make top 40. Looking to go top 10 is a success in my eyes. Obviously it was never going to go to #1 though. :P

 

It was refreshing to hear it in the chart update actually :lol:

Yeah im actually hoping it doesnt make top 10 though, as much as i love the song.if it peaks at no12 or something it will hopefully show the organisers that they have made their point with RAGE and its up to the musicans to get rid of the X-Factor which simply destroys the market in the race for xmas no1....MWC has shown that if theres a song which captures the publics imagination it will sell well. I only wish Little Mix had been released this week so they could have beaten them competitively!

Yeah im actually hoping it doesnt make top 10 though, as much as i love the song.if it peaks at no12 or something it will hopefully show the organisers that they have made their point with RAGE and its up to the musicans to get rid of the X-Factor which simply destroys the market in the race for xmas no1....MWC has shown that if theres a song which captures the publics imagination it will sell well.

 

For 'imagination', read 'conscience' - but like all charity songs which have limited musical merit, its chart run should be brief.

Edited December 24, 201113 yr by vidcapper

Morning update: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=3845230

As you said in the thread about it....the campaign has been done in 2009, this kind of thing destroys all that was good about it and dilutes its value.....the MWC is the example of how the future xmas chart will be once X-Factor falls away even more(unless its revamped effectively).

 

Well, The X Factor 2011 was a complete and utter farce. Compelling viewing but for all the wrong reasons.

 

If they're going to revamp the show, my suggestion would be to have another series like 2008. Ie; have a final 12 of genuinely talented singers/groups and start dropping all these novelty acts that have been milking the show since Jedward in 2009.

 

Also X Factor need to stop doing these charity singles. It was all well and good in 2008 even though I didn't exactly think the UK needed a cover of 'Hero' at #1, at least the majority of singers that year were actually very good.

 

Who knows, maybe The Voice will steal X Factor's thunder. I honestly can't see X Factor 2012 being anymore successful than this years. If anything, it'll be less successful unless as you say they completely revamp the whole point of the contest.

With Little Mix almost guaranteed for xmas #2 though it seems that without this Military Wives single, which is literally one of those unexpected juggernauts that comes along once in a blue moon, X Factor would have had the xmas #1 yet again due to lack of competition. So even if they do release the winner's single a week before xmas again next year then they may well be able to hold on for xmas if nothing like this exists...

 

On the other hand, with Military Wives dominating this week the media will perceive this and play it out as the control being back in the hands of the public, so perhaps more artists will hold back their singles until xmas next year and there'll be a genuine battle of the big guns like there was in 2003. If not for all of the various campaigns this week, how many new entries would we have had in the top 40? Three? Everyone's been too scared to release in xmas week since Shayne Ward crushed the competition in 2005 and it all makes for a very uninteresting state of affairs. X Factor may continue to top the xmas charts by default if record companies don't realise quickly that they're not invincible anymore and that they should get some product out to compete!

With Little Mix almost guaranteed for xmas #2 though it seems that without this Military Wives single, which is literally one of those unexpected juggernauts that comes along once in a blue moon, X Factor would have had the xmas #1 yet again due to lack of competition. So even if they do release the winner's single a week before xmas again next year then they may well be able to hold on for xmas if nothing like this exists...

 

On the other hand, with Military Wives dominating this week the media will perceive this and play it out as the control being back in the hands of the public, so perhaps more artists will hold back their singles until xmas next year and there'll be a genuine battle of the big guns like there was in 2003. If not for all of the various campaigns this week, how many new entries would we have had in the top 40? Three? Everyone's been too scared to release in xmas week since Shayne Ward crushed the competition in 2005 and it all makes for a very uninteresting state of affairs. X Factor may continue to top the xmas charts by default if record companies don't realise quickly that they're not invincible anymore and that they should get some product out to compete!

 

But as I said last week, in the download era it's much harder to hold back a single to get Christmas number one. In years gone by when Westlife and Spice Girls got multiple Xmas number ones it didn't matter if they were the 2nd or 3rd single from an album, if the promotion started the first half of November people weren't going to be able to buy it until the week of Christmas. If any act does that now, they can download it whenever they want, and it will start charting in November and climbing up the chart losing a hell of a lot of sales. You have to assume that any established act who are popular enough to sell enough of a single to be Christmas number one could probably sell at least 300k+ worth of albums in the 4-5 week run up to Christmas, so no act is going to release their first single off an album on Christmas week with the album released in the new year, and you can't release a 2nd/3rd single these days because like Paradise or What's My Name they'll have sold 200-300k+ before Christmas week. It's only really new acts who aren't established, novelty acts or those who haven't a hope of selling albums who have any real opportunity, but the chances of them being popular enough are less than an established act. They could of course release a Christmas song.....

You're right, for established acts it'd have to be a one-off single.

As I've said in another thread, hopefully there will be a Band Aid 30 in 3 years time. :D

 

With the likes of Adele, Take That, Tulisa (she'll probably be big by then), Coldplay (...again) and a load of new artists around that time. :P

Come to think of it, What's My Name?'s sales last year year on Christmas week can't've been much less than Little Mix will sell this week. So it could be possible for a non-held back song to climb to #1, but it would really have to be a MASSIVE hit. But maybe if X Factor decreases in popularity next year, the song could sell less than 100,000 in its 2nd week.

Consider the MotW updated. Nice use of my smilie too!!! :lol:

 

 

love your siggie :lol:

Come to think of it, What's My Name?'s sales last year year on Christmas week can't've been much less than Little Mix will sell this week. So it could be possible for a non-held back song to climb to #1, but it would really have to be a MASSIVE hit. But maybe if X Factor decreases in popularity next year, the song could sell less than 100,000 in its 2nd week.

 

Bear in mind that Shayne Ward's winner's single sold over 700,000 copies all in one week during 2005 and I don't think series 2 of XF had anywhere near the ratings the latest series had. I don't think the viewing figures are that indicative of sales figures.

 

EDIT: Also, 'Cannonball' was an absolutely horrendous choice of winner's single. It's one of the worst winner's singles in the history of XF and it's not one of Damien Rice's best singles either. I would've actually bought the Little Mix single if they had actually released a different song - 'Don't Let Go' would've been a wise choice or, as I've said previously, 'Your Song'.

Edited December 24, 201113 yr by SceneofSIXCrimes

If they're going to revamp the show, my suggestion would be to have another series like 2008. Ie; have a final 12 of genuinely talented singers/groups and start dropping all these novelty acts that have been milking the show since Jedward in 2009.

 

Well, they had Chico before Jedward. He couldn't sing at all, he just got lots of votes because every week Sharon would go "But...he's so entertaining!!!!!" :rolleyes:

The Pogues are now top 10 combined :D

 

Combined top 15 pop bars (taking into account top 100 versions only obv):

 

1 1.0000 Wherever You Are - Military Wives, Gareth Malone & London Metropolitan Orchestra

2 0.7849 Dominick The Donkey (The Italian Christmas Donkey) - Lou Monte

3 0.4614 Paradise - Coldplay

4 0.3417 Good Feeling - Flo Rida

5 0.3260 Dedication to My Ex (Miss That) [feat. Andre 3000 & Lil Wayne] - Lloyd

6 0.3236 Cannonball - Little Mix

7 0.3176 Dance With Me Tonight - Olly Murs

8 0.2938 Levels (Radio Edit) - Avicii

9 0.2587 Mama Do the Hump - Rizzle Kicks

10 0.2439 Fairytale of New York - Kirsty MacColl & The Pogues

11 0.2350 We Found Love (feat. Calvin Harris) - Rihanna

12 0.1901 Lego House - Ed Sheeran

13 0.1867 Moves Like Jagger (Studio Recording from the Voice Performance) - Maroon 5

14 0.1751 All I Want for Christmas Is You - Mariah Carey

15 0.1631 Sexy and I Know It - LMFAO

Edited December 24, 201113 yr by Michael Bubré

The funny thing is that Dominick the Donkey isn't falling.

 

Graham Norton effect wasn't that big for MWC too. They might not clear 600k by Sunday after all. And that gives the hope that they won't trouble year-end top-10.

 

Flo Rida and Little Mix swapped places. But there's a relatively big gap between LM and #6 (Olly), and it's not closing that rapidly.