Manchester named as UK's biggest piracy city in study

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19599526

The problem for this is the fact albums and even download singles are too expensive.

 

People's incomes are dwindling and paying a tenner for an album is going to stretch it for some peoples budgets.

 

Perhaps if labels and shops LISTENED to the public and offer an affordable rate, then people will buy legally.

The problem for this is the fact albums and even download singles are too expensive.

 

People's incomes are dwindling and paying a tenner for an album is going to stretch it for some peoples budgets.

 

Perhaps if labels and shops LISTENED to the public and offer an affordable rate, then people will buy legally.

 

Not to mention releasing popular songs at the same time as the rest of the world gets them, rather than months later!

I do think cost is the major factor, look at the boost a song can get when it's cut to 59p, or even 79p. I don't do much legal downloading anyway because I would rather have something tangable for my £££, but once the physical market does die off completely I would hope the price point for digital would be a little lower.

Most people don't have the money to pay for the music. Even if all songs were 59p, that would still be too expensive I think. Especially for younger people that have hundreds of songs they want to listen to, and the working class people, most of who are probably struggling to pay their bills every week.

I agree and disagree with the above points but there the music industry has to give people a reason for parting with their cash. The success of 21 by Adele shows that a physical album can still take off and sell bucketloads and 21 has never yet been discounted yet 4.5 million people have paid for it. Why?

 

Also people always have an excuse for things - people say petrol is too expensive but do you see people leaving their car at home if they live in a big city and use public transport to go to work - NO, because we live in a convience society and do people walk a mile to buy the paper - NO the vast majority will jump in their car because its handy too and people will always suit themselves!

I do download illegally but I do support artists by buying their albums and going to their concerts.

 

If everyone only downloaded music legally the industry will become much more difficult to get into.

 

I like many others illegaly download songs I wouldn't regularly hear on the radio and that helps these artists become mainstream.

The problem for this is the fact albums and even download singles are too expensive.

 

People's incomes are dwindling and paying a tenner for an album is going to stretch it for some peoples budgets.

 

Perhaps if labels and shops LISTENED to the public and offer an affordable rate, then people will buy legally.

Music is cheaper to buy than it's ever been. And even though people now have less money than three or four years ago, disposable income has certainly never been higher than in the download era.

Cost certainly comes into it, its not 'expensive' as such, but illegal downloading of singles and albums just takes so much less time and is such an easier approach than using money in these economic times. Of course although its brought up a lot its also relevant that the fact that record labels just don't get a bloody clue that sometimes, its best they should release a record NOW and not wait a few weeks. Then the risk of being hurt by these illegal downloads would be less so.

 

On a random note, the most illegally downloaded artist in my area is...The Cars :P

Edited September 17, 201212 yr by Hoopoe

Music is not too expensive no matter what argument you spin. The problem is that people these days are more used to getting what they want when they want. Saving up doesn't seem to figure into it these day. Perhaps albums seem steep but 99p for a song? They can barely be made cheaper.

Music is not too expensive no matter what argument you spin. The problem is that people these days are more used to getting what they want when they want. Saving up doesn't seem to figure into it these day. Perhaps albums seem steep but 99p for a song? They can barely be made cheaper.

 

I stream most of my music now anyway (which is £10 a month, something which I CAN afford :lol:). It's good, because at least it feels good that I'm listening to music legally this way. But if I downloaded all the songs that I've streamed, I would be paying thousands!! I don't want to spend that much on songs. I LOVE music, but that's just not worth it imo.

 

Luckily, the genre of music I like, the artists are always putting out loads of free music anyway. Which is fantastic, although it does push their fans even further into the mind-set of getting music for free.

Edited September 17, 201212 yr by Eric_Blob

NOTTINGHAM REPRESENT...

 

:nocheer:

 

"The most illegally shared artist in my area is Ed Sheeran (avg. 812 times per month). People also share J. Cole a lot compared to the rest of the UK."

 

"Top 3 illegal shares in the UK:

 

01. Ed Sheeran '+' (avg. 55,512 shares p/m)

02. Rihanna 'Talk That Talk' (avg. 35,838 shares p/m)

03. Frank Ocean 'Channel Orange' (avg. 28,239 shares p/m)"

 

Nice to see Nottingham aren't adding to Ed's total sales though :kink:

A lot of people don't care about the charts and would also rather save money by illegally downloading music.

People in my area apparently share Drake more than the rest of the country. I always though Drake was popular over the whole country though.

 

Not surprised about Sexion D'Assaut in France though! :lol: To be fair, they're the ONLY good thing to come out of Europe in the past 10 years (likewize for Hilltop Hoods and Australia).

Music is not too expensive no matter what argument you spin. The problem is that people these days are more used to getting what they want when they want. Saving up doesn't seem to figure into it these day. Perhaps albums seem steep but 99p for a song? They can barely be made cheaper.

 

Well, Amazon seem to manage it...

Not surprised about Sexion D'Assaut in France though! :lol: To be fair, they're the ONLY good thing to come out of Europe in the past 10 years (likewize for Hilltop Hoods and Australia).

 

They're the WORST thing to come out of France for decades. Even less talented than N-Dubz. They're also confessed homophobes.

I can only assume the people who moan about the price are fairly young and are not aware what price singles and albums were to buy back in the 90's / early 2000's.... on average £3.99 for a single and up to god knows what for an album... some went up to £15.99... so 79p / £7.99p isn't really a bad deal. And as have many have said - sometimes these are discounted further. And lets not discuss imports... jees louise you could pay a tenner for a single atleast!

 

And another point is that you don't have to buy an album now - you can preview first via itunes/youtube etc and then cherry pick what you want... the amount of times i paid £12.99 for an album and it was a load of shi...... apart from 2 singles - that would cost me £1.60 now!!

 

Like someone has said already... it's just because some people want something for free. Quite simple.

I can only assume the people who moan about the price are fairly young and are not aware what price singles and albums were to buy back in the 90's / early 2000's.... on average £3.99 for a single and up to god knows what for an album... some went up to £15.99... so 79p / £7.99p isn't really a bad deal. And as have many have said - sometimes these are discounted further. And lets not discuss imports... jees louise you could pay a tenner for a single atleast!

 

And another point is that you don't have to buy an album now - you can preview first via itunes/youtube etc and then cherry pick what you want... the amount of times i paid £12.99 for an album and it was a load of shi...... apart from 2 singles - that would cost me £1.60 now!!

 

Like someone has said already... it's just because some people want something for free. Quite simple.

Completely agree, the price of an album and single have absolutely plummeted compared to (a) their price in the 70's, 80's, 90's and early 00's; and (b) even further if you apply inflation to the prices in the 70's-00's to bring it to today's prices.

 

The price of a single/album compared to average income levels is at its lowest its ever been, and by quite some distance, probably half of what ti was in the late 90's, yet that period saw MASSIVE single and MASSIVE album sales.

 

The reason illegal downloading is so high is that people are greedy, and if the option exists to obtain that music for free then I suspect the majority of people will do it. Everyone I know under the age of 40 illegally downloads, its only the older age group that don't.

 

With that in mind, the only thing stopping illegal downloading becoming even more prevalent is to make it more difficult to do. I've already started to encounter problems trying to download various albums as the vast swathe of sites that used to host illegal music has dropped off either through site shutdowns (Limewire) or the blocking of certain sites by UK ISP's (ThePirateBay). Its now I would say 100% more difficult to download illegal music than it was a year ago, although its still not so difficult that it has pushed me to start buying a lot of music again.

 

Another thing to throw into the mix is that the price of attending a concert/gig has absolutely sky rocketed given the changing business model used by labels. That in itself is a vicious circle as the astronomical cost of attending gigs (£100+ for the Killers) means less disposable income to actually buy the singles/albums of said artist which in itself contributes back towards more illegal downloading, and in turn even higher costs of gigs, etc etc ad nauseum.

^They cant be great fans of the art-form if they think it doesnt take alot to produce music - something which makes you feel great - and not pay something for it!!

Completely agree, the price of an album and single have absolutely plummeted compared to (a) their price in the 70's, 80's, 90's and early 00's; and (b) even further if you apply inflation to the prices in the 70's-00's to bring it to today's prices.

 

The price of a single/album compared to average income levels is at its lowest its ever been, and by quite some distance, probably half of what ti was in the late 90's, yet that period saw MASSIVE single and MASSIVE album sales.

 

The reason illegal downloading is so high is that people are greedy, and if the option exists to obtain that music for free then I suspect the majority of people will do it. Everyone I know under the age of 40 illegally downloads, its only the older age group that don't.

 

With that in mind, the only thing stopping illegal downloading becoming even more prevalent is to make it more difficult to do. I've already started to encounter problems trying to download various albums as the vast swathe of sites that used to host illegal music has dropped off either through site shutdowns (Limewire) or the blocking of certain sites by UK ISP's (ThePirateBay). Its now I would say 100% more difficult to download illegal music than it was a year ago, although its still not so difficult that it has pushed me to start buying a lot of music again.

 

Another thing to throw into the mix is that the price of attending a concert/gig has absolutely sky rocketed given the changing business model used by labels. That in itself is a vicious circle as the astronomical cost of attending gigs (£100+ for the Killers) means less disposable income to actually buy the singles/albums of said artist which in itself contributes back towards more illegal downloading, and in turn even higher costs of gigs, etc etc ad nauseum.

 

 

Or maybe so many people illegally download music now they dont make any money from it so they have to make the concert prices much more expensive!