Girls Aloud is a different story again because of the way they always had to battle for the top spot with sugababes until 2007 and were in their shadow a bit but then Promise was the song which imo showed them up to be a great girl group. Its as if they had to fight xtra hard to show they werent just a group from XF and won in the end!

 

As for JLS its another story again, i think in the years following XF the record company just tries flogging them too much down people throats because they know they have 4 years to make as much money as possible then theyll be gone so theres an album each november with a summer single and a october single with an XF performance - theres no long term career path and you can tell as the quality of songs just flatlines or goes down hill by year 3!!

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by steve201

I think JLS are well aware of how long they can last in the industry - Their gentle decline has been happening for a while but they have still managed to pull some big hits out of the bag, They are probably aware that this is going to be their last studio album but fair play to them for trying something different to maintain interest in their 4th album and subsequently set up the way for a Greatest Hits next year.

 

Most pop bands go through this cycle as their fanbase grow up and move on - I'm sure we will be having the same debate in a few years about The Wanted, One Direction etc,

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Pop B!tch

Hopefully Fun. can stay in the top 40 for just a bit longer, shouldn't be leaving the chart just yet :cry:

I think JLS are well aware of how long they can last in the industry - Their gentle decline has been happening for a while but they have still managed to pull some big hits out of the bag, They are probably aware that this is going to be their last studio album but fair play to them for trying something different to maintain interest in their 4th album and subsequently set up the way for a Greatest Hits next year.

 

Most pop bands go through this cycle as their fanbase grow up and move on - I'm sure we will be having the same debate in a few years about The Wanted, One Direction etc,

 

At least with them it's a gentle decline, 1D's looks to be a little more accelerated.

I think JLS are well aware of how long they can last in the industry - Their gentle decline has been happening for a while but they have still managed to pull some big hits out of the bag, They are probably aware that this is going to be their last studio album but fair play to them for trying something different to maintain interest in their 4th album and subsequently set up the way for a Greatest Hits next year.

 

Most pop bands go through this cycle as their fanbase grow up and move on - I'm sure we will be having the same debate in a few years about The Wanted, One Direction etc,

 

Agreed

 

But who knows, they could come up with something amazing in a couple of years and make than transition to adult pop.

 

Agreed

 

But who knows, they could come up with something amazing in a couple of years and make than transition to adult pop.

 

Indeed - That's the great thing about pop, Who would have thought that Take That would have returned with three million+ selling albums, And to a lesser extent the success Boyzone achieved with their comeback.

It's actually a shame its come to this for JLS. Beat Again was such a fantastic pop song and really made me think WOW! They might actually do something good here. Everybody In Love was also a mega hit and their debut album is still the 2nd biggest selling album for an X Factor act (behind Leona's Spirit), even One Shot did really well for a single that was released after a successful album.

 

The problem is, they have never scored as big a hit again. Yes they've had more #1s - but it could be argued that it was more on the back of their name rather than the music itself. Girls Aloud have been used in this debate already, but if you look at their singles, they have managed to keep it fairly even throughout starting with the big hit with a gentle decline, to then another big hit (I'll Stand By You) to another decline, until another big hit (Something Kinda Ooooh) with another little decline before The Promise hit really big numbers again. So far JLS had the big hits with their first 3 singles, but they haven't managed to maintain that and get another big crossover hit so far. I guess JLS had it easy to begin with - they had the market to themselves. Westlife and Take That were appealing to different markets. Then The Wanted came along and now One Direction, all competing for a similar target audience.

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Knightr634

How many of them are huge sellers?! Um, by default, to make the year-end top 100 a song has to sell well, and JLS have done it many times, they have many big sellers. Did you not get the point of me posting that? :lol:

 

Naughty Boy and Disclosure are "irrelevent", which is why I keep mentioning them, to show it's not a bad thing. And I don't care that their songs will outsell JLS's, I love them all, so that's FANTASTIC!!! :wub:

 

Jessie Ware is good! So, do you think she should give up because she hasn't had any top 20 hits? I certainly don't. And most of the general public don't care about her (i.e. she's irrelevent). That's not a bad thing. It's their loss, not hers. And she's having a lot of success at the moment (although not as much as JLS).

 

Au Seve back up to #50! :o I can't believe this might actually become a chart hit! :lol:

 

Are you being serious? When was the last time a JLS record sold over 300k? You posting a YTD is IRRELEVANT because songs which barely sell can make that list, see JLS :rofl: Their stuff normally charts high and then PLUMMETS the week after. It's an absolute disaster.

 

As for Jessie, read the below

 

The difference being Jessie Ware is a new, fresh artist who doesn't make music aimed at the top 40, whereas JLS have came from the X Factor, have had many number 1s in the past. So if Hottest Girl In The World misses the top 5 then that is a MASSIVE FLOP for JLS. I wouldn't say JLS are irrelevant but they are definately losing relevance and I think they should give up soon before they start to flop even harder. A greatest hits in 2013 would be a good career choice for them, there's no point releasing one in 2016 when no-one will care about them.

 

SOMEBODY WHO GETS IT.

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Lady Gaga

You posting a YTD is IRRELEVANT because songs which barely sell can make that list, see JLS :rofl:

 

So songs that barely sell can make the list of the biggest sellers of the year. That makes complete sense.

Are you being serious? When was the last time a JLS record sold over 300k? You posting a YTD is IRRELEVANT because songs which barely sell can make that list, see JLS :rofl: Their stuff normally charts high and then PLUMMETS the week after. It's an absolute disaster.

 

As for Jessie, read the below

SOMEBODY WHO GETS IT.

 

Selling less than 300,000 isn't a flop or an absolute disaster, and does not signal the end of a career. It's actually a success.

 

It doesn't matter if you sell 200,000 through a chart run of 1-4-8-16-32 or through a chart run of 40-35-30-25-20-20-20-25-30-35-40. The sales are the same in the end, no difference.

 

Jessie Ware is very successful, I agree. I already said that, it's a great achievement what she's accomplished.

O/T but what's Jessie Ware's album on? 20,000?

Selling less than 300,000 isn't a flop or an absolute disaster, and does not signal the end of a career. It's actually a success.

 

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...their last 3 singles. Yeah, FLOP.

 

Now with the disaster of the current single...ugh, they just need to go away.

 

It doesn't matter if you sell 200,000 through a chart run of 1-4-8-16-32 or through a chart run of 40-35-30-25-20-20-20-25-30-35-40. The sales are the same in the end, no difference.

 

...a song with longevity is going to be remembered and is going to be more well respected than a song which debuts in the top 5, then is out of the top 40 a couple of weeks later :blink: I mean, take Jason Mraz for example. I'm Yours and I Won't Give Up are more memorable than anything JLS have ever put out :mellow:

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Lady Gaga

O/T but what's Jessie Ware's album on? 20,000?

 

Not sure, but I think vidcapper might be able to give you an estimate.

 

Now with the disaster of the current single...ugh, they just need to go away.

 

They don't need to go away. Why don't you get this? Having a song that doesn't do well in the charts doesn't mean they need to go away. You want them to go away, because you hate them for some reason. It's quite obvious.

 

Both of Jason Mraz's songs have been bigger chart hits than most of JLS's songs (except maybe Beat Again), so logically they'll be more remembered. A song falling down the charts fast generally means it's been held-back for a long time, or islargely a fanbase buy and not liked by the general public (nothing wrong with that) and/or not getting much radio support. It doesn't mean the song was only popular for a couple of weeks.

Edited October 25, 201212 yr by Eric_Blob

Chart runs and YTD mean very little, it's about how much a song has sold/streamed/watched on Youtube etc.

 

I guess the issue is that JLS could severly underperform with a single that has been supported on radio, tv and had 10 million people watch it on X Factor. If a song with that much exposure can't sell 150,000 then it's obviously not too well liked with the public. That's nothing against the band, it's just the song that isn't connecting with the public.

They don't need to go away. Why don't you get this? Having a song that doesn't do well in the charts doesn't mean they need to go away. You want them to go away, because you hate them for some reason. It's quite obvious.

 

Both of Jason Mraz's songs have been bigger chart hits than most of JLS's songs (except maybe Beat Again), so logically they'll be more remembered. A song falling down the charts fast generally means it's been held-back for a long time, or islargely a fanbase buy and not liked by the general public (nothing wrong with that) and/or not getting much radio support. It doesn't mean the song was only popular for a couple of weeks.

 

Are you going to stop with these bizarre assumptions? They're highly obnoxious :blink: I think JLS should go away because they make absolutely appalling music, not because the GP don't give a shit about them anymore, and not because they do really poorly in the charts.

 

Why are you bringing up the reasons why a song falls down the chart? I'm well aware, thanks :mellow: All I was saying is they don't make memorable music which sticks around; they make weak music which doesn't really sell and which is forgotten within a month. -shrug-

Chart runs and YTD mean very little, it's about how much a song has sold/streamed/watched on Youtube etc.

 

I guess the issue is that JLS could severly underperform with a single that has been supported on radio, tv and had 10 million people watch it on X Factor. If a song with that much exposure can't sell 150,000 then it's obviously not too well liked with the public. That's nothing against the band, it's just the song that isn't connecting with the public.

 

I agree. This is nothing to do with the public supposedly being over JLS. Look at The Wanted for example. Gold Forever, which was a charity single, charted at #3 and dropped down the chart fairly fast after its 2nd week iirc. Imagine if The Wanted decided it was over them after that? Their following single, Glad You Came, which clearly more people liked, has ended up as their biggest ever hit, and was their breakthrough hit on an International level.

I agree. This is nothing to do with the public supposedly being over JLS. Look at The Wanted for example. Gold Forever, which was a charity single, charted at #3 and dropped down the chart fairly fast after its 2nd week iirc. Imagine if The Wanted decided it was over them after that? Their following single, Glad You Came, which clearly more people liked, has ended up as their biggest ever hit, and was their breakthrough hit on an International level.

 

BUT LOOK AT JLS'S PAST RELEASES :rofl: WHY are you UNABLE to see what I'm talking about?

Some artists don't particularly care if they haven't been massively successful. They enjoy making music and going around doing gigs and building up a fanbase themselves.

 

Saying JLS should go away because they are "flopping" is stupid. I'm not going into details as they've already been mentioned in other posts, but having a song which goes #4/5 isn't flopping just because at the start of you're career you had lot's of Top 2s. Like someone said before, Girls Aloud had some lesser successful hits during the Chemistry era, but they've done just fine since then.

Saying JLS should go away because they are "flopping" is stupid.

 

Who's saying that? Oh, nobody. That's awkward.

 

If you have a song which debuts in the top 5, and is then out of the top 75 a couple of weeks later, that. is. flopping.

If you have a song which debuts in the top 5, and is then out of the top 75 a couple of weeks later, that. is. flopping.

 

Which incidentally JLS have never done.