In North Carolina Hillary Clinton is not doing better than Obama did in 2012 with early voters but Trump is doing better than Romney.

Sorry, correction - that was a 25 point lead among respondents who said they weren't very likely to vote but since voted early. Her lead among all early voters responding is 53-38 according to the New York Times, and 44-42 among those who say they'll vote on the day. The key thing there is that even if Obama did have a bigger lead (which I'm pretty sure isn't true), it was on a smaller turnout (a 55-35 lead on 100,000 turning out gives you less than a 53-38 lead on 200,000 turning out, to pluck an example out of thin air). On what basis do you think the likes of the New York Times are projecting a likely North Carolina win for Hillary using early voting projections when the state was written off as a Republican gain in 2012 on the same figures?

Romney had a similar scenario in 2012 as Obama had a big lead with early voters in North Carolina but once all the votes were counted Obama still failed to win the state by 2% points, Trump is a lot closer with early voters this time around and you KNOW people are going to turn out and vote for Trump, more than they did with Romney.

I wouldn't say more right-leaners are definitely going to turnout out for Trump than for Romney in North Carolina. For one thing, Trump is much more unpopular than Romney was and Trump struggles amongst certain demographics of white voters. Plus, this year isn't comparable to 2012 in North Carolina, because local politics is a big driver there this year and may change the makeup of the turnout. The state could obviously go either way, since it's within the margin of error, like the last two elections.

Edited October 31, 20168 yr by bluesunstorm

Like I was saying through the primaries!

 

I am a huge Hills fan but accept she is a weak candidate.

 

Clinton mishandling emails versus Trump admitting sexual assault, committing charity fraud, calling for nuclear proliferation, calling for national stop and frisk, violating the trade embargo with Cuba, being sued over Trump University fraud, bribing the Attorney General investigating him, doesn’t pay taxes for 20 years, employs a campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US, lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate, waiting on his court date for rape of a minor, is unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation, is unaware of the situation in Syria, was penalized for racist housing discrimination, files for bankruptcy 6 times, goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics, slams people for being POWs, calls Mexicans rapists, questions a judge's integrity because of parent's heritage, deletes emails involved in his casino scandal, commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane, has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse, attacks former Ms. America for being overweight, tweets about sex tapes at 3 a.m., calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo, calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used, asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them, calls to kill wives and children of suspected terrorists. says women should be punished for having abortions, makes fun of disabled people, calls for end of freedom of the press, calls global warming a Chinese hoax, praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership, openly admits to not paying his employees during debate, calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years, uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses, says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer, says laziness is an inherent trait in black people and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices to invalidate same-sex marriages. Yeah, total toss-up in terms of qualifications here.

Preach it Tyler sister...I am so copy/paste that on my facebook :wub:

...and Newsweek shows Trump is the King of the deleted emails, documents and all else, habitually, all his life, and against everyone, especially the government.

 

http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trump-co...ts-515120?rm=eu

 

Hypocrisy thy name is Trump.

Clinton mishandling emails versus Trump admitting sexual assault, committing charity fraud, calling for nuclear proliferation, calling for national stop and frisk, violating the trade embargo with Cuba, being sued over Trump University fraud, bribing the Attorney General investigating him, doesn’t pay taxes for 20 years, employs a campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US, lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate, waiting on his court date for rape of a minor, is unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation, is unaware of the situation in Syria, was penalized for racist housing discrimination, files for bankruptcy 6 times, goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics, slams people for being POWs, calls Mexicans rapists, questions a judge's integrity because of parent's heritage, deletes emails involved in his casino scandal, commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane, has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse, attacks former Ms. America for being overweight, tweets about sex tapes at 3 a.m., calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo, calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used, asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them, calls to kill wives and children of suspected terrorists. says women should be punished for having abortions, makes fun of disabled people, calls for end of freedom of the press, calls global warming a Chinese hoax, praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership, openly admits to not paying his employees during debate, calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years, uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses, says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer, says laziness is an inherent trait in black people and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices to invalidate same-sex marriages. Yeah, total toss-up in terms of qualifications here.

 

Can this post please be pinned?

Clinton mishandling emails versus Trump admitting sexual assault, committing charity fraud, calling for nuclear proliferation, calling for national stop and frisk, violating the trade embargo with Cuba, being sued over Trump University fraud, bribing the Attorney General investigating him, doesn’t pay taxes for 20 years, employs a campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US, lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate, waiting on his court date for rape of a minor, is unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation, is unaware of the situation in Syria, was penalized for racist housing discrimination, files for bankruptcy 6 times, goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics, slams people for being POWs, calls Mexicans rapists, questions a judge's integrity because of parent's heritage, deletes emails involved in his casino scandal, commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane, has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse, attacks former Ms. America for being overweight, tweets about sex tapes at 3 a.m., calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo, calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used, asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them, calls to kill wives and children of suspected terrorists. says women should be punished for having abortions, makes fun of disabled people, calls for end of freedom of the press, calls global warming a Chinese hoax, praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership, openly admits to not paying his employees during debate, calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years, uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses, says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer, says laziness is an inherent trait in black people and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices to invalidate same-sex marriages. Yeah, total toss-up in terms of qualifications here.

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Clinton mishandling emails versus Trump admitting sexual assault, committing charity fraud, calling for nuclear proliferation, calling for national stop and frisk, violating the trade embargo with Cuba, being sued over Trump University fraud, bribing the Attorney General investigating him, doesn’t pay taxes for 20 years, employs a campaign manager involved in illegal corruption with Russia, calls for ban of an entire religion from entering US, lied about support for Iraq War over and over in debate, waiting on his court date for rape of a minor, is unaware of Russia's Crimea occupation, is unaware of the situation in Syria, was penalized for racist housing discrimination, files for bankruptcy 6 times, goes 0-3 in debates by showing scant knowledge of world politics, slams people for being POWs, calls Mexicans rapists, questions a judge's integrity because of parent's heritage, deletes emails involved in his casino scandal, commits insurance fraud after Florida hurricane, has dozens of assault victims and witnesses come forward with allegations of abuse, attacks former Ms. America for being overweight, tweets about sex tapes at 3 a.m., calls for US citizens to be sent to Gitmo, calls for more extreme forms of torture to be used, asks why can’t we use our nukes if we have them, calls to kill wives and children of suspected terrorists. says women should be punished for having abortions, makes fun of disabled people, calls for end of freedom of the press, calls global warming a Chinese hoax, praises Putin and Kim Jong Un's strong leadership, openly admits to not paying his employees during debate, calls Obama an illegitimate noncitizen hundreds of times over 7 years, uses campaign donations to enrich his own businesses, says Ted Cruz involved in JFK assassination unironically citing National Enquirer, says laziness is an inherent trait in black people and promises to appoint Supreme Court justices to invalidate same-sex marriages. Yeah, total toss-up in terms of qualifications here.

SNATCHEDT (as i believe the children say these days)

Yes but Hillary also has record unapproval ratings = a weak candidate. Teump being awful does not erase this.

Oh Michael would ya just shut the f*** up or f*** the f*** off. You're talking pish.

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I am a HUGE Hillary fan but she IS A WEAK CANDIDATE!!!

 

She has sky-high unfavourability ratings, has sexism against her, and has made-up Republican scandals and the tarnished image from the US media punishing the 'liar' angle.

Apropos of nothing, but today I learned that the Governor of Idaho is called Butch Otter.

I do agree with Michael on this actually. Hillary is a great politician and will make an excellent president but she's not a particularly strong presidential candidate in the sense that she doesn't feel particularly adept at getting herself elected. There's a reason the polls are vaguely close right now, she didn't immediately dispatch Bernie (a totally unviable presidential candidate) and she lost to Obama in 2008. Against a stronger republican candidate she could struggle.

DELETED. Can't be bothered.

Edited November 1, 20168 yr by Common Sense

Hillary is the worst women i've seen ever in my life. What she is doing, won't hurt Trump. Trump is a true player and inspiration of all & soon he will get elected i wish.

I do agree with Michael on this actually. Hillary is a great politician and will make an excellent president but she's not a particularly strong presidential candidate in the sense that she doesn't feel particularly adept at getting herself elected. There's a reason the polls are vaguely close right now, she didn't immediately dispatch Bernie (a totally unviable presidential candidate) and she lost to Obama in 2008. Against a stronger republican candidate she could struggle.

She's the only candidate who came close to stopping Obama, the most talented politician in a generation - god knows the Republicans never came close. The only reason she didn't immediately dispatch Bernie was because he had a legion of people willing to fund him to go all the way through - any other candidate with Bernie's delegate count would have dropped out after Super Tuesday (which is normally where the dreamers make it to before they get suffocated) in the clear knowledge they didn't have a realistic route to victory. She has consistently led over Trump all year, and would have consistently led over the only other viable candidate for the Republicans this year in Ted Cruz. I think she's tremendously underrated as a candidate for someone who's literally only lost to Obama.

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I am a HUGE Hillary fan but she IS A WEAK CANDIDATE!!!

 

She has sky-high unfavourability ratings, has sexism against her, and has made-up Republican scandals and the tarnished image from the US media punishing the 'liar' angle.

Someone 'having sexism and made-up Republican scandals' against them doesn't make them a weak candidate, unless you literally think women who are lied about are weak candidates by definition.

Hillary is the worst women i've seen ever in my life. What she is doing, won't hurt Trump. Trump is a true player and inspiration of all & soon he will get elected i wish.

 

You met her?

Hillary is the worst women i've seen ever in my life. What she is doing, won't hurt Trump. Trump is a true player and inspiration of all & soon he will get elected i wish.

 

Can you please explain how he inspires you?

Channel 4 news saying Trump is "catching up fast in key swing states" and that one national poll has him 1 point ahead now. A week is a long time in politics folks.

 

In other news, Republicans say they would block President Hillary Clinton in every way possible in the Senate and block all her nominations to the Supreme court and get her impeached.

Edited November 1, 20168 yr by Common Sense