I loved the film from start to finish it had me hooked and I sussed out John Harrison :D, its a shame it had to borrow some parts from the original trek series, but on the whole it was a pretty good film. And a few original Star Trek memories, a Tribble :D

 

I think Star Trek 3 is heading for a Klingon story, and it be also tied in with the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek, so they are probably looking at 2016 for the next movie since JJ Abrams is tied up with the new Star Wars movie for 2015.

I think 2016 would be perfect but I really could do without the Klingons. Though the new franchise would probably ignore any of the hideously boring shit regarding HONOUR/family disputes/blah blah blah which PLAGUED TNG and DS9.

I loved the film from start to finish it had me hooked and I sussed out John Harrison :D, its a shame it had to borrow some parts from the original trek series, but on the whole it was a pretty good film. And a few original Star Trek memories, a Tribble :D

 

I think Star Trek 3 is heading for a Klingon story, and it be also tied in with the 50th Anniversary of Star Trek, so they are probably looking at 2016 for the next movie since JJ Abrams is tied up with the new Star Wars movie for 2015.

 

Just seen it, it was film of the year for me (a longtime fan, granted). I'd read some reviews claiming benedict over-dominated the movie. No he didn't, it was perfectly plotted, characterised and dialogued - made up words - and acted. Great for fans, and great for fans of well-made sci-fi action. Lots of trek history refs I wont mention (spoilers!) but loved the throwaway reference to Nurse Christine Chapel and the guest actor cameo :yahoo:

 

I also guessed the twists. Roll on the 3D bluray I say...!

I'm going to go see this with a friend on Saturday! Looking forward to it ^_^

I loved it but it's a real shame Benedict Cumberbatch can't play anything other than pretentious twat. He was practically evil Sherlock in space.

I loved it but it's a real shame Benedict Cumberbatch can't play anything other than pretentious twat. He was practically evil Sherlock in space.

I thought he did okay actually as the queitly psychotic villain

even though he had none of the charisma of Montalban

. In fact the casts performances are indeed the best thing about the film, playing their iconic parts with conviction and verve. It's just a shame that the forgot to write a story with any meaning or cliche avoidance. or indeed more importantly a story that had any semblance of consistancy within the Star Trek universe.

The plot is thin, the script is lazy and there's absolutely no hint on Gene Roddenberry's universe at all.

The idea of a warlike Starfleet is nonsensical and justifying it due to the events of the 2009 film is daft given that a similar story happened in the series Enterprise which never had that consequence. Enterprise exists before the point of divergence in this reality

 

 

Anyway all that said it's fun but it's not Star Trek as I know it. JJ Abrams will be a perfect fit for Star Wars

I didn't think the plot was a problem,

it was shown to be the actions of one man (essentially) who may not have gotten into Starfleet power in the original Trekverse -= DS9 had much more intrigue and nasty Starfleet plotting (attempted genocide of mortal enemies). OK earlier in the timeline, but I liked the more realistic DS9 universe and I applaud Jim Kirk's resolve to do what's right not what Holier Than Thou "oh let's just let them die or it's interfering" ST:TNG Starfleet nonsense. It's unrealistic to expect human nature to suddenly change into 100% paragons of virtue in a couple of hundred years. never gonna happen!

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I didn't think the plot was a problem,

it was shown to be the actions of one man (essentially) who may not have gotten into Starfleet power in the original Trekverse -= DS9 had much more intrigue and nasty Starfleet plotting (attempted genocide of mortal enemies). OK earlier in the timeline, but I liked the more realistic DS9 universe and I applaud Jim Kirk's resolve to do what's right not what Holier Than Thou "oh let's just let them die or it's interfering" ST:TNG Starfleet nonsense. It's unrealistic to expect human nature to suddenly change into 100% paragons of virtue in a couple of hundred years. never gonna happen!

 

Problem isn't the basic idea for kahn, it's the downright stupid turns the plot takes and there's far too many moments i just thought 'oh come on do you really expect me to buy that?' Every Major player acts out of character at some point by being incredibly dumb except Spock who seems more human than Vulcan. The more i think about it the worse i think it is. DS9's shades of grey worked so well because of the way the writers gradually orked towards it and muddied the waters with non Starfleet personnel. In this Spock is suddenly blubbing like a child over an obnoxious prick of a man (Kirk) despite no tears for his homeworld. And that's not character development that just cheap and lazy writing. It's Trek rebranded as space fantasy. Roddenberry's visiob may be fanciful but at least it had solid writing and wasn't style over content.

 

well, I'm not going to disagree about the blubby bits, though one might argue Spock never had longterm girlfriend trouble in the original, maybe he was having an emotional crisis from that :lol: Kirk being gung-ho is right in character, Scotty having a moral dilemma? Hard to say Scotty didnt really have much of a character in the original outside engines and the odd fling but you may be right he's more of a machines man. Uhura and Sulu? Cant say I noticed. Chekov is younger anyway, McCoy is probably the most to be criticised: I'm a Doctor not a bombmaker? Then again did Bones never do what he needed to when the Enterprise (and lives) were at risk...

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/star-trek...spoilers#348821

 

This is my favourite review of the film so far and even then so many things left out. It is full of spoliers however

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2013/05/star-trek...spoilers#348821

 

This is my favourite review of the film so far and even then so many things left out. It is full of spoliers however

 

Interesting, thanks for the link, seems to say it's great entertainment - but with plot problems, though in it's defence illogic in blockbuster movies is hardly untypical - just rewatched one of my fave Trek Movies (First Contact) and it's so full of plotholes and silly science it's best not to think too hard about them. Matrix, frinstance, is utter nonsense if you stop to think about it (people used as batteries! really, like there's not a billion cheaper energy sources!) but it's a great film. Or sometimes editing causes the problem and set-ups are missing in plotlines. The original Trek wasn't all wine & roses, much of it was Spocks Brain silliness, and as we're now in an alternate Trekverse I don't see a need to compare the characters too much: life affects people in different ways, this Kirk grew up without a dad, this Spock has had to watch his planet & mother die before his eyes (still half-human, and the original Spock blubbed his eyes out over something as minor as never having told his mum he loved her) so bound to be more scarred.

 

The plus-points (these trek films appeal beyond Trek fans and are great entertainment, keeps the franchise alive) I'd say outweigh the negative bits. I'll take the whole 7 series of DS9 anyday, of course, but I don't have that option right now, sadly! :cry:

Interesting, thanks for the link, seems to say it's great entertainment - but with plot problems, though in it's defence illogic in blockbuster movies is hardly untypical - just rewatched one of my fave Trek Movies (First Contact) and it's so full of plotholes and silly science it's best not to think too hard about them. Matrix, frinstance, is utter nonsense if you stop to think about it (people used as batteries! really, like there's not a billion cheaper energy sources!) but it's a great film. Or sometimes editing causes the problem and set-ups are missing in plotlines. The original Trek wasn't all wine & roses, much of it was Spocks Brain silliness, and as we're now in an alternate Trekverse I don't see a need to compare the characters too much: life affects people in different ways, this Kirk grew up without a dad, this Spock has had to watch his planet & mother die before his eyes (still half-human, and the original Spock blubbed his eyes out over something as minor as never having told his mum he loved her) so bound to be more scarred.

 

The plus-points (these trek films appeal beyond Trek fans and are great entertainment, keeps the franchise alive) I'd say outweigh the negative bits. I'll take the whole 7 series of DS9 anyday, of course, but I don't have that option right now, sadly! :cry:

Yeah I agree it's great fun but has it's issues. Anyway if you like that reviewcheck out the site further. The writer Keith Candido is a know Star Trek author and is currently rewatching and reviewing all of DS9 (I agree this is the best too) on a weekly basis, having just finished TNG.

Yeah I agree it's great fun but has it's issues. Anyway if you like that reviewcheck out the site further. The writer Keith Candido is a know Star Trek author and is currently rewatching and reviewing all of DS9 (I agree this is the best too) on a weekly basis, having just finished TNG.

 

Ooh that sounds rather enticing, thanks for the heads up! Fab!

 

cheers:)

Not seen the film, but does anyone has any idea why Alice Eve stripped off?

Went to see this last night. A decent popcorn flick, but not as good as the 2009 film. I also feel the last 10 minutes felt rather rushed, which is strange giving it's longish running time.